Whatever you call them....or they call themselves.....they generally aren't working for We the People. Government has consistently grown since the start.....the power they have over our daily lives has grown since the start. Even if you get rid of the politicians, you still have all those employees who aren't going to want to see their cushy government high paying jobs with huge retirements going away. The government needs to be slashed, they need to balance the budget and they need to pay off the debt.
The government represents the interests of the private sector. That's what it was designed for. White property owning men were the only ones allowed to vote originally.... its their interests which are still represented. Both parties are just 2 sides of the same coin. The problem is systemic.
All true, but neither of these parties is immutable. If the voters wake up, both parties will change. As it is now, most any Democrat is a huge improvement over letting a Republican get in.
SJG.....you're nuts! The Dems are going further and further left. Show me a successful leftist country in history. (Lemme guess....china? They've only become strong as they've allowed more free market into their system) I don't want some right wing religious nut in charge but that might be preferable to some left wing nut who wants to control every aspect of our lives. You think leftists support SCs and the adult industry? They want power. They want to tell people what's best for them as much as any religious zealot. Listen to AOC.....She's the boss, right? She wants to tell you that you don't get a car or plane ride. You hoof it or bus it mister, or else! Health care....you better buy the insurance or else!
Be careful what you ask for....the people of Venezuela did....and now they're getting it. I can do without what they've received. I choose to be a free individual who'll take care of himself.
The problem with trying to change the system from within is that the system changes the individual eventually. We're dealing with hegemonic powers here.
And no, the Dems aren't getting more leftist, it just seems like it coz the Republicans are way out in the right wing nut job loony bin....
Mostly Scandanavia, Denmark, and Netherlands are the most successful examples of Democratic Socialism.
The Democratic Party has multiple strains of thought. Up through the mid-60's, the US was generally in sync with Western Europe.
Canada's first Universal Health Care was patterned after our Medicare.
But then in 1968, Richard Nixon unveiled his Southern Strategy, based on racism. And then since the Republican's have run on prejudice against minorities and immigrants, and then also by using the "I Am A Christian" movement. So America has moved further and further to the Right. Reagan, Bush 43, and now Trump. All a very dangerous and harmful journey. Each so crazy as to be beyond belief.
The Democrats now are not really proposing Socialism, just this Green New Deal, Medicare for All, Free College, and Universal Basic Income. Real Socialism would require all of that, plus public ownership of most large and critical industries.
One of the things which is really poisoning the pot right now is the rise of this Right Wing Media. What it puts out is total nonsense.
@Icey and @SJG.......you guys are killing me with the nonsense you spout.
The republicans have been moving left and are probably around the center now. If you cannot see the difference between he democrats of JFK and those now and cannot see how far left they have moved, they I don't think there's any help for you.
SJG....quit putting RACISM as a motivation for everything....it shows intellectual laziness. The Scandinavian countries are not socialist. They have capitalist markets and huge welfare safety nets. The reason they can get away with it is that they have pretty much homogeneous populations which avoids having the people like you calling everything racist and allows people to get along better. What they have is not what the media paints it as.
LOL....the rise of the Right wing media? What is that? Fox news is hiring the woman who gave debate questions to the democrat prior to the event. What direction would you say they're moving? Who else is there? A few radio/pod folks who are picking up in popularity. Well, that only leaves you every other media outlet which has proven their leftism by pushing the Trump-Russia hoax for 2 years and now is unable to admit how wrong they were. Now they're saying that Mueller is corrupt after two years of saying how Trump better not fire him because he's such a stand up guy. It's sad and pathetic to see people who claim to report the news crying over the facts of a case that didn't turn out the way they wanted. There's some real unbiased journalism for ya!
The US started turning to the Right when Nixon unveiled his Southern Strategy in 1968. Since then it has been going further and further to the Right.
Democrats started speaking out after this 2016 election. The things they are saying would constitute a move to the Left, but they are actually all ideas which have been on the table for now over 20 years.
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Be careful what you ask for....the people of Venezuela did....and now they're getting it. I can do without what they've received. I choose to be a free individual who'll take care of himself.
And no, the Dems aren't getting more leftist, it just seems like it coz the Republicans are way out in the right wing nut job loony bin....
The Democratic Party has multiple strains of thought. Up through the mid-60's, the US was generally in sync with Western Europe.
Canada's first Universal Health Care was patterned after our Medicare.
But then in 1968, Richard Nixon unveiled his Southern Strategy, based on racism. And then since the Republican's have run on prejudice against minorities and immigrants, and then also by using the "I Am A Christian" movement. So America has moved further and further to the Right. Reagan, Bush 43, and now Trump. All a very dangerous and harmful journey. Each so crazy as to be beyond belief.
The Democrats now are not really proposing Socialism, just this Green New Deal, Medicare for All, Free College, and Universal Basic Income. Real Socialism would require all of that, plus public ownership of most large and critical industries.
One of the things which is really poisoning the pot right now is the rise of this Right Wing Media. What it puts out is total nonsense.
SJG
The republicans have been moving left and are probably around the center now. If you cannot see the difference between he democrats of JFK and those now and cannot see how far left they have moved, they I don't think there's any help for you.
SJG....quit putting RACISM as a motivation for everything....it shows intellectual laziness. The Scandinavian countries are not socialist. They have capitalist markets and huge welfare safety nets. The reason they can get away with it is that they have pretty much homogeneous populations which avoids having the people like you calling everything racist and allows people to get along better. What they have is not what the media paints it as.
LOL....the rise of the Right wing media? What is that? Fox news is hiring the woman who gave debate questions to the democrat prior to the event. What direction would you say they're moving? Who else is there? A few radio/pod folks who are picking up in popularity. Well, that only leaves you every other media outlet which has proven their leftism by pushing the Trump-Russia hoax for 2 years and now is unable to admit how wrong they were. Now they're saying that Mueller is corrupt after two years of saying how Trump better not fire him because he's such a stand up guy. It's sad and pathetic to see people who claim to report the news crying over the facts of a case that didn't turn out the way they wanted. There's some real unbiased journalism for ya!
Democrats started speaking out after this 2016 election. The things they are saying would constitute a move to the Left, but they are actually all ideas which have been on the table for now over 20 years.
SJG