She's Agreed to OTC but Need to discuss details
JD2018
New Jersey
So asked a girl I've been getting dances from for a few months to meet up OTC and she said yes. She asked what we would do I said dinner and go back to the hotel for a couple hours. After that she gave me a dance, but it was closing time so didn't get to discuss further so she gave me her number.
I'd wait to discuss details in person, but I won't be at my regular club for a while because I'm been assigned to work out of town for a couple months. So I will need to set up via text, but wasn't sure the best way to go about it. Was thinking I would text her something like "You able to grab dinner and hang out after tonight? $300 plus we can discuss a tip in person." For context on pricing, this girl is a solid 9, most popular girl in the club and isn't uncommon to have multiple guys book her back to back to back on weekends. Is my approach appropriate? Don't want to lowball and piss her off so $300 starting point for dinner and a more private dance seems reasonable right?
I'd wait to discuss details in person, but I won't be at my regular club for a while because I'm been assigned to work out of town for a couple months. So I will need to set up via text, but wasn't sure the best way to go about it. Was thinking I would text her something like "You able to grab dinner and hang out after tonight? $300 plus we can discuss a tip in person." For context on pricing, this girl is a solid 9, most popular girl in the club and isn't uncommon to have multiple guys book her back to back to back on weekends. Is my approach appropriate? Don't want to lowball and piss her off so $300 starting point for dinner and a more private dance seems reasonable right?
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It's not even clear on this thread what exactly it is you want and exactly how much you wanna pay - you seem to be pussyfooting this shit and will likely end up paying hundreds for just dinner and maybe some dances which most on here would see as a waste but it's your $$$.
If she's really a 9, I guess you have a cheap market...
What you probably should have done is try to pull the trigger that night if she was willing. I'm guessing that that the need for pre-event dinner romance is more your issue than hers. All you needed to do was to invite her to your hotel and ask her what she needed for it.
But if you are out of town and happen to come across any review written by doctor in your search for a new club, just skip it. His drive by reviews are about as useful as a fart in a strong breeze. He's one of the lazy review accumulators on this site who is more interested in collecting review numbers than actually writing one that reflects any time and effort in gathering intel. Scroll through his crap reviews and you'll see he's notorious for it. ☺
Idk if that was in reference to me, EveHartley, or another dancer. But DocE was the first TUSCLer I met in person.
Sure he was a customer but we also spent a good amount of time chit chatting about random stuff and I was distracted from work.
At that time, I wondered whether I had wanted to even stay in the dancer directory. But that meeting by itself gave me a positive impression.
Off topic I know. I’ll exit this thread
Not doubting you, but sometimes you get all giddy in the club. That's why you come here, so guys like Papi and 25 can bring you down to earth.
As stated on other threads when you get into the higher ratings for girls its gets more subjective. She's a 9 in my book, but to others may be an 8 or a 7.
"I don't think there are any 9s in New Jersey"
I Ioled.
First, don't chase it too hard. Either it's going to happen or it isn't. Strippers are flaky by nature. The best you can do is to keep it as casual as possible and otherwise make it easy for her to say yes.
So with that said, I wouldn't try to plan it too far in advance. Text her on the day that you'd like to see her and ask her if she's available that night. Also, in the spirit of making it easy, the less elaborate the planned event, the more likely that she will (1) agree in the first place; and (2) actually show up.
If I were you, I'd shoot her this text in the early afternoon: "Are you still free tonight? If so, are you interested in grabbing a couple of drinks and a side stop after?" That's it. If she is radio silent, then don't bother following up as it isn't going to happen and you'll just look needy. If she responds in the negative, then just thank her and move on.
if she responds in the positive, then you might simply respond with something like: "Cool. How much will you need for this?" Let us know when you get to this point and we'll go to Module 2 - Negotiating a Reasonable OTC Rate. ;)
I'll re-confirm that. In my experience, one of the biggest advantages of strippers vs escorts is that most strippers (except those who have very professional business models) don't think in terms of by-the-hour, they think about the final payoff. When I give a stripper $350, she tends not to care if the OTC is 2 hours, or 6 hours, or overnights -- AS LONG AS I DON'T TRAIN HER TO THINK THAT WAY. What I do is just say "we'll grab dinner and drinks, then head back to the hotel". Then I let her play the tune -- and usually, once a stripper starts drinking, she doesn't want to stop so fast; she's usually the one suggesting one more drink or heading to the next bar, and she's the one who will suggest she just crash with me in the room because she's too tired to drive home.
Also, don't say "dinner and hang out", specifically mention your hotel if you're too shy to mention the word "sex".
If you're not going to be in town for a couple of months, leave her with a final text, "Had a really great time, and looking forward to dinner and fun next time I'm in town!". My thinking is, she'll have completely forgotten the entire conversation by the time you're back in two months, but if that's the last text she has from you, then when you text her you're coming into town, she'll just see that that was the last thing you discussed. I would not discuss pricing or anything else 2 months in advance.
If I was the OP, I'd keep it simple. A good bar trip is fine, but anything beyond a couple of hours for the warm up can be problematic. A seasoned monger might be able to sense it and change direction, but the OP is not that. Also, once he has already breached the OTC barrier with her, the next times get easier and he might be able to take more of a risk in letting her call the pre-sex OTC shots.
Sadly I speak from experience with this and it is one of the reasons that I do not plan extended nights out with strippers that I do not know well. If I spend 4 or more hours OTC with a stripper, but end the night not getting laid because she got fucked up on booze or something she covertly picked up in our travels, then the whole event was a colossal waste to me. And no, no club hound is so good that he can reliably forecast a girl's behavior OTC simply from his time with her ITC.
I actually agree with this correction -- when I said "let her play the tune", I didn't mean totally let her dictate the entire pre-hotel activity. To over-generalize a bit, strippers are insanely, impossibly fun buzzed, but mean horrible drunks -- and many of them are incapable of calling the partying to an end when the alcohol is on someone else's dime. I've had some OTCs ruined by not keeping a close enough eye on her. So, by all means, get to the hotel room as soon before she's a mess. Make sure you keep your eyes on the prize, which is sex with an enthusiastic stripper in the hotel room, and she'll need to be no more than buzzed for that.
Seems many of you implicitly let her know the expectation - e.g. "we'll meet at the hotel" - have you not been in a situation where the dancer acted coy in the absence of stating exactly what was expected and she still wanted full-payment w/o sex b/c it wasn't explicitly stated? In the past I've read on TUSCL such a thing happening where the PL ended up paying a couple of hundred just for dinner when he had more in mind but the dancer acted as if "she had no idea he had more in mind" - no doubt a ROB (unlikely she was that naive).
Also shit can that “grab dinner and hang out” for $300 baloney. If you wait to “discuss a tip in person,” she’s likely to want $300 just for showing up and having dinner, and then want a similar or greater sum as tip for being your rental pussy.
Whoever said that dinner and drinks was the tip is spot on. The cash is for sex, not hanging out.
After 40 years, I’m ok with using words like “fuck” and “sex” and “blowjob” and “tie you to a chair and whip you and use you till you beg for mercy” when describing what I expect from an encounter, but I’m aware that you might not be completely comfortable being explicit about what you want.
Be as explicit as you’re comfortable with, and see how she responds. Hell, if she’s agreeing to do it with you, she’s probably done it before, so she might be telling *you* what she’s cool with.
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