Less than 2.5 million Jewish Americans spread amongst 50 states, that’s hardly a large voting bloc, and I don’t think I would consider the majority as voting straight line blue. I also believe that both McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 got more Jewish votes than Obama, get your facts straight.
I remember this from a year ago and was very disappointed. I disagree with the far left who is extremely pro Palestine, at the same time I'm not a bit fan of the current far right government of Israel.
If you know any US history it's not hard to see why American Jews vote Blue. Historically Jews were excluded from the very country clubs, law schools, med schools, etc that existed as seats of power for Christian white men. Jews were actively excluded from Christian white Civic life and often formed close relationships with other urban communities like blacks and Hispanics.
Democratic candidates are expected to make blanket pro Israel statements every Presidential election or face losing the Jewish vote, which can easily sink any Democratic Presidential campaign.
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I guess I was wrong about that but I remember sentiment amongst folks in my synagogue being for McCain because of Obama’s embrace of the Reverend Wright but I agree Jewish organizations have a liberal bent, true but still 2.5 million Jews among over 300 million Americans hardly makes up a large voting bloc, less than 2% of the population overall.
I can see McCain being more popular with Jews than an average Republican, as socially moderate Hawks are a pretty good fit for American Jews. Obama also had an unfair reputation as not being pro Israel enough, despite largely continuing the exact policies of GWB.
Israel and the Middle East is a potential wedge issue for Democrats, as the far left and American Jews have polar opposite opinions. However working class whites have been skewing isolationist, so it's a tough issue fir Republicans to score tons of points on.
That's mostly the old-guard that knew Cuba pre-Castro - it's more evenly split these days - plus Cubans AFAIK are kinda the exception within the much larger Latino population
My bad for for the phrasing "large Jewish voting bloc. I meant such a high percentage of the Jewish vote. I don't know the actual size of the population so I will defer to @25 for that.
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Yes, the more removed the generations get from experiencing the communist regime the more they believe the promise of all being provided for equally and being coddled from cradle to grave. They don't have the same experience to realize the BS is just that
That Zionism is essentially a form of national socialism isn't anti Semitism, its a fact. But keep in mind that national socialism prior to the Nazis just meant the belief in a welfare state delineated along ethnic lines. It was the main ideology that broke up the Austro-Hungarian Empire for example.
However, yeah, the establishment of Israel was based on genocide, displacement, etc. Zionism ironically went from a valid call for protecting Jews to being a world menace.
^ Yes that’s true they do have large numbers in S Florida, NYC and the near suburbs, Chicago, and Los Angeles, but in much of the country there really aren’t that many so yes in the areas where they are heavily populated they certainly have influence, but that influence isn’t really that widespread.
Even Asians have started tilting heavily Democratic, which should be concerning for Republicans long term. As a "model minority" that generally is ambivalent about social issues they should be the easiest target, but current messaging isn't reaching them.
I don't support the current policies of Israel. But most of the time Jews in American have been our conscience, always voting against racism and discrimination.
@Fruitcup wrote: "... they believe the promise of all being provided for equally and being coddled from cradle to grave. "
About 75% of Asians and Jews vote Democratic. Neither group needs to be "coddled." If you go by race, Asians have the highest household income in the US. If you go by ancestry, Indians (south Asian), and Jews take 1st and 2nd place. Asians make up 23% of the student body at Harvard and they are suing (for good reason) about discrimination and racial quotas.
Democrats care about healthcare, education, and gun violence, in that order. It has nothing to do with being coddled.
@yahtzee I never stated that what you’re referring to as facts I qualified it with I believe, after your response I googled it and corrected myself, but my point was valid
I was referring to how and why the cuban vote is changing.
You are delusional if you think the Democrats are altruistic and place the importance of their platform in that order.
They are first about having power and second about how to get and keep that power. Their main priority is to have the affluent pay more to fuel the entitlement programs that they promise to the less fortunate.
Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. Both represent the same system...
Pretending that certain issues benefit some minorities more than the majority is just a marketing strategy. Its about thinking that in some swing states or precincts, pretending to pander to minorities will give the party in question that slight advantage in elections.
It has nothing to do with actual concern or real social or economic issues. If either party really gave a fuck, the same problems wouldn't keep popping up in every election for the last few decades.
the new cubans are economic refugees, not political refugees.... they don't hate socialism, they want socialism but also dollars... laziest people ive ever seen in my life.
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last commentLess than 2.5 million Jewish Americans spread amongst 50 states, that’s hardly a large voting bloc, and I don’t think I would consider the majority as voting straight line blue. I also believe that both McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 got more Jewish votes than Obama, get your facts straight.
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Your statement is not even close to being true. Fruitcup's facts are straight.
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I remember this from a year ago and was very disappointed. I disagree with the far left who is extremely pro Palestine, at the same time I'm not a bit fan of the current far right government of Israel.
If you know any US history it's not hard to see why American Jews vote Blue. Historically Jews were excluded from the very country clubs, law schools, med schools, etc that existed as seats of power for Christian white men. Jews were actively excluded from Christian white Civic life and often formed close relationships with other urban communities like blacks and Hispanics.
Democratic candidates are expected to make blanket pro Israel statements every Presidential election or face losing the Jewish vote, which can easily sink any Democratic Presidential campaign.
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@ Yahtzee74
I guess I was wrong about that but I remember sentiment amongst folks in my synagogue being for McCain because of Obama’s embrace of the Reverend Wright but I agree Jewish organizations have a liberal bent, true but still 2.5 million Jews among over 300 million Americans hardly makes up a large voting bloc, less than 2% of the population overall.
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I can see McCain being more popular with Jews than an average Republican, as socially moderate Hawks are a pretty good fit for American Jews. Obama also had an unfair reputation as not being pro Israel enough, despite largely continuing the exact policies of GWB.
Israel and the Middle East is a potential wedge issue for Democrats, as the far left and American Jews have polar opposite opinions. However working class whites have been skewing isolationist, so it's a tough issue fir Republicans to score tons of points on.
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Off the top of my head I can't think of any minority that is not mostly pro Democratic party
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^ I thought the Miami Cubans were pretty strongly Republicans.
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That's mostly the old-guard that knew Cuba pre-Castro - it's more evenly split these days - plus Cubans AFAIK are kinda the exception within the much larger Latino population
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My bad for for the phrasing "large Jewish voting bloc. I meant such a high percentage of the Jewish vote. I don't know the actual size of the population so I will defer to @25 for that.
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Even if the Jews are not a huge # they seem to be pretty-influential and seemingly heavily-courted by politicians
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Yes, the more removed the generations get from experiencing the communist regime the more they believe the promise of all being provided for equally and being coddled from cradle to grave. They don't have the same experience to realize the BS is just that
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^ True.
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That Zionism is essentially a form of national socialism isn't anti Semitism, its a fact. But keep in mind that national socialism prior to the Nazis just meant the belief in a welfare state delineated along ethnic lines. It was the main ideology that broke up the Austro-Hungarian Empire for example.
However, yeah, the establishment of Israel was based on genocide, displacement, etc. Zionism ironically went from a valid call for protecting Jews to being a world menace.
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^ Yes that’s true they do have large numbers in S Florida, NYC and the near suburbs, Chicago, and Los Angeles, but in much of the country there really aren’t that many so yes in the areas where they are heavily populated they certainly have influence, but that influence isn’t really that widespread.
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Even Asians have started tilting heavily Democratic, which should be concerning for Republicans long term. As a "model minority" that generally is ambivalent about social issues they should be the easiest target, but current messaging isn't reaching them.
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My post was in response to @Papis and @flagooner
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I don't support the current policies of Israel. But most of the time Jews in American have been our conscience, always voting against racism and discrimination.
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@Fruitcup wrote: "... they believe the promise of all being provided for equally and being coddled from cradle to grave. "
About 75% of Asians and Jews vote Democratic. Neither group needs to be "coddled." If you go by race, Asians have the highest household income in the US. If you go by ancestry, Indians (south Asian), and Jews take 1st and 2nd place. Asians make up 23% of the student body at Harvard and they are suing (for good reason) about discrimination and racial quotas.
Democrats care about healthcare, education, and gun violence, in that order. It has nothing to do with being coddled.
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@yahtzee I never stated that what you’re referring to as facts I qualified it with I believe, after your response I googled it and corrected myself, but my point was valid
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I was referring to how and why the cuban vote is changing.
You are delusional if you think the Democrats are altruistic and place the importance of their platform in that order.
They are first about having power and second about how to get and keep that power. Their main priority is to have the affluent pay more to fuel the entitlement programs that they promise to the less fortunate.
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BTW, those are facts.
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Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. Both represent the same system...
Pretending that certain issues benefit some minorities more than the majority is just a marketing strategy. Its about thinking that in some swing states or precincts, pretending to pander to minorities will give the party in question that slight advantage in elections.
It has nothing to do with actual concern or real social or economic issues. If either party really gave a fuck, the same problems wouldn't keep popping up in every election for the last few decades.
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papi "That's mostly the old-guard that knew Cuba pre-Castro"
It's the same way with Chinese. The old Chinese hate the mainland Chinese government while the young Chinese don't care.
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papi "Off the top of my head I can't think of any minority that is not mostly pro Democratic party"
There are more registered Democrats than Republicans so it may be that even the majority whites lean pro Democrat.
I'm not going to look it up to verify though.
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the new cubans are economic refugees, not political refugees.... they don't hate socialism, they want socialism but also dollars... laziest people ive ever seen in my life.
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