Criminalisation of sex work normalises violence, review finds
Sex workers three times more likely to experience violence from client where trade is criminalised, data shows
Sex workers are more likely to suffer poor health, violence and abuse in countries where their trade is criminalised, a major review has found.
The review, by researchers from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, found that sex workers suffering repressive policing – including arrest, imprisonment and extortion by officers – were three times more likely to experience sexual or physical violence from a client and were twice as likely to have HIV or another sexually transmitted infection as those who lived in countries where sex work was tolerated.
Sex workers who fear that they, or their clients, may be picked up by the police are more likely to engage in risky encounters, unable to take the time to talk to a client before getting into a car or negotiate terms in advance, the researchers found.
Their health and safety were at risk not only in countries where sex work was criminalised, but also in Canada, which has introduced the “Nordic model” pioneered by Sweden, under which the client can be arrested for a criminal offence, but not the sex worker.
Published in the journal PLOS Medicine, the paper by Lucy Platt, associate professor in public health epidemiology, and Pippa Grenfell, assistant professor of public health sociology, is a review of data from 33 countries. They included comments from sex workers who took part in some of the studies.
Canada passed a law in 2014 to make it illegal to pay for sex, but some sex workers say that has made their lives more risky.
“They couldn’t have designed a law better to make it less safe,” said one sex worker. “It’s like you have to hide out, you can’t talk to a guy, and there’s no discussion about what you’re willing to do and for how much. The negotiation has to take place afterwards, which is always so much scarier. It’s designed to set it up to be dangerous. I don’t think it was the original intention, but that’s what it does.”
Another woman working on the streets in Canada said she was no longer able to talk through the car window to ensure they felt safe. “Because of being so cold and being harassed, I got into a car where I normally wouldn’t have. The guy didn’t look at my face right away. And I just hopped in cause I was cold and tired of standing out there. And you know, he put something to my throat. And I had to do it for nothing.”
France, Iceland, Northern Ireland, Norway, the Republic of Ireland and Sweden also criminalise the client. Guatemala, Mexico, Turkey and the US state of Nevada have regulated sex work, which allows better conditions for some, but worse for the many who operate outside the regulated arrangements.
A man in the UK said the ideal situation was working from shared premises, where everybody had companionship and greater security. But, although buying and selling sexual services is legal, that can fall foul of the law. “Because of the legal situation, you have to be very, very careful. Because obviously it’s running a brothel, which has … really dangerous consequences these days,” he said.
New Zealand is the only country to have decriminalised sex work, in 2003, although it is not legal for migrants. Sex workers said they were more able to refuse clients and insist on condom use, while relationships with police were better. “We always have police coming up and down the street every night,” said one woman. “We’d even have them coming over to make sure that we were all right and making sure … that we’ve got minders and that they were taking registration plates and the identity of the clients. So … it changed the whole street, it’s changed everything.”
Grenfell said: “It is clear from our review that criminalisation of sex work normalises violence and reinforces gender, racial, economic and other inequalities. Decriminalisation of sex work is urgently needed, but other areas must also be addressed.
“Wider political action is required to tackle the inequalities, stigma and exclusion that sex workers face, not only within criminal justice systems but also in health, domestic violence, housing, welfare, employment, education and immigration sectors.”
So you'd like there to be stings at strip clubs to get the hookers and johns out of there....so that the strip club can be a safe place for strippers, free of solicitation offers and perverts and shit.
Yep, not only because it enables lower accountability for bad clients, but also many in LE aren’t exactly innocent either.
http://titsandsass.com/the-oakland-polic…
I agree with the earlier comment that that is a natural result for any kind of prohibition law.
I don't think criminalization is the main problem. The main problem is the lack of the social infrastructure to handle decriminalization.
Say drugs are legalized, so addiction becomes a health problem vs a criminal one. Yet there is no universal access to health care and no public services to handle it. I take it private insurance for addicts would be overly expensive, plus getting an addict to pay it.... And even with legalized weed. It just allows corporations to profit off it while dealers who sell better, cheaper weed get tougher sentences.
With sex work. If someone is going to have the choice between spending at least $500 in a legal brothel, like in Nevada, or spending $150 on IG, where do you think they'll go to? If a hoe has to pay taxes, pay health insurance, pay to get tested, comply with brothel rules, etc........or just do her own thing, what do you think she will ultimately choose? Same thing between choosing up with a pimp vs a business owner.
The root of the problem is a society where women are commodified to that extreme and men think its okay to exploit them.
In my experience, hoeing is not a normal choice. The myth of the happy hooker or Pretty Woman type shit, just isn't real. Its a very difficult choice and not one anyone really wants to make. Its just a product of a fucked up situation in a fucked up society. And of course they're not gonna tell tricks what its really like.
Yeah, that's the main thing. People also don't understand the difference between decriminalization and legalization.
Decriminalization is about harm reduction. So say we decriminalize prostitution... it will become a public health, mental health and social issue rather than a criminal issue. The main approach towards it would deal with reducing the spread of STDs, dealing with addiction, abuse, safety, human trafficking, etc. As is, the US lacks any sort of public institution or agency capable of addressing these problems. So criminalization is the alternative. Likewise, decriminalization for hookers doesn't mean decriminalization for tricks or pimps.
Legalization on the other hand deals with licensing, regulating and taxing prostitutes. It doesn't curb illegal prostitution. Frankly someone doing something illegal and getting away with it for a period of time is very unlikely to quit and go legal. Also, like with marijuana, it would become a lucrative sector for a set of very wealthy individuals who can afford the licensing requirements for brothels. It wouldn't be an equal opportunity business. In Nevada for example, you need 250k in liquid assets to qualify, in California you need to afford 150k in fees to the state. Brothels would undoubtedly be licensed similarly.
Used to be that those advocating for legalization of prostitution were looking to a Netherlands model.
No one has ever supported the Nevada model.
But today we see that the Netherlands model has problems, the women can be treated badly by LE. They tend to still operate illegally as they do not want a record. But then when they get busted they are offered a drop of charges, if they register and pay a double fee.
The women still do not like dealing with male cops.
So today, most just advocate for flat out decriminalization.
Some have called for a special zone, like in San Francisco, around the Costco, and having one cop per block to insure safety.
Implementin a Scandinavian model is pure fantasy. We don't have any way of implementing it. The Nevada model is all we have within our political, historical, social, economic context. There is no infrastructure in place to support the Scandinavian model.
But the NV model is all that the country has to go on realistically. It conforms to existing infrastructure and business practices.
The problem with just letting it go on ....turning a blind eye to it, is that prostitution ruins strip clubs as such. For the strippers anyways.
1- Girls who do extras tend to be hookers who are put into the club by their pimps.
2- When its really predominant in a club. It means management is getting a cut.
3- This sidelines the girls who just want to dance and decreases how much they make.
4- Management coerces girls into prostitution coz its profitable...This is the case in a lot of regular nightclubs for example where waitresses are pimped by management.
It's pretty simple...those who are considered criminals can't go to the police for protection without fear of arrest. No police protection means many assaults will be unreported so violent assholes who victimize girls will often get away with it.
The NV model involves all kinds of screwy laws, based upon the ideal that the woman is a social menace. So her car has to be id'ed with the cops. She cannot leave the brothel without being signed out and paid for by a custie. No front room fraternizing.
Deja Vu tried to make their Pahrump Chicken Ranch as good as TJ. But they could not because of the screwy laws. No Front Room Makeout Sessions.
So they did what they could, then they gave up and put $4 Meg into Tijuana.
The Nevada model really regulates the women, and this screws over the custies.
Far better to deal with a girl you met in a strip club.
And these NV places are going out of business. Some have been bought and sold many times in the last 10 years. Some of the buildings have been torn down.
NV laws benefit the brothel owners and the politicians who stay in office by convincing people that they are protecting them from the evil women.
We had this proposition which would have required condom use in porno movies. That would have legalized porno movies. But it did not pass. So they are not legalized. But so long as it stays within some bounds, most people agree that it should not be considered criminal.
We had this Leslie Love Bill in MIchigan, to professionalize strip clubs. That would have been a disaster.
So they run, just without any real attempts to enforce on much.
Legalization hasn't worked well in any European country. There is the issue of human trafficking, girls coming in from poorer countries to be prostitutes, often outside the EU and with no language or survival skills. The local communities often belittle the women and feel threatened by the sex tourists coming in. Then there's the issue of drugs. Legal prostitution also promotes and enables cheaper illegal prostitution.
DC basically just wants to pay hoes so he wants to make it look like a great thing. Its not.
The NV model works but like any legal vice, its a lot more expensive than the illegal aspect.
Decriminalization won't happen in the US. There's no infrastructure to handle it. Plus decriminalization means a safe harbor for the prostitutes not tricks pimps or human traffickers.
Regurgitating a few stats you find doesn't mean anything. You're too socially retarded to comprehend the human aspect and the impact it has on communities. Its not all about stupid shit and sounding like a textbook.
If its decriminalized that means it become a social and health issue. The US doesn't have any kind of social programs or public health infrastructure to handle it. The goal would have to shift from jailing hookers to looking at their social and health care needs. It doesn't mean they're just allowed to do what they want. Furthermore, tricks pimps and human traffickers would still be criminalized.
You're the one who as usual acts like an entitled little bitch who thinks the world has to change to suit your petty little wants. To you its just about you fucking hookers, that's it.
Decriminalization wouldn't get rid of pimps. It would make it easier for them. Without being arrested hoes wouldn't turn pimps in or pretend to turn them in, to save themselves.
What services everyone takes for granted????? There is no universal health care system here. There's no social service network that will help them get off the streets and into legit employment, counseling, etc. Free STD testing, free rehab, free anything.
If decriminalization were implemented today, it would just mean that hookers won't get arrested, but would have to be referred somewhere....there's nowhere to refer them to. Tricks pimps and traffickers would still get arrested, there would still be stings etc.
The problem with trafficking accusation is that a hoe who claims she was trafficked gets asylum. Just like a hoe gets off if she turns her pimp in. So there are a lot of false accusations. However, it is a problem.
Decriminalization doesn't mean tricks are safe. If a strip club is known for prostitution and a known prostitute is seen with a man, they have probable cause.
The way the Bush signed anti-trafficking and violence against women act is written, there need not be force, fraud, coercion, or m*n*r's involved. And it could even be domestic. The penalties are severe.
Even though this is certainly unconstitutional, you do not want to be the one hit by it.
"Decriminalization doesn't mean tricks are safe."
No, but nowhere is totally safe, decriminalization increases the safety.
"If a strip club is known for prostitution" What does that mean? Talking like the women who engage in prostitution are a social menace.
"and a known prostitute is seen with a man, they have probable cause." Probable cause only goes that far if you think you are dealing with something like t*rr*rr*sm. Prostitution, CA PC-647B, is a very minor crime, like loitering or open container. Shouldn't be using this to suspend basic constitutional rights. A woman with a record should not be a big deal.
SJG
Rarely are people called upon to show moral the kind of moral courage needed by those who served in French Resistance
Gary Clark Jr. - Bright Lights and notice Doyle Bramhall II, playing left handed and with a left hander's body, but with it strung for a right hander. Look close and you can see this, and if you listen to him play and watch closely you can hear it. He learned always using borrowed guitars from right handers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZeDn-h…
The way the Bush signed anti-trafficking and violence against women act is written, there need not be force, fraud, coercion, or m*n*r's involved. And it could even be domestic. The penalties are severe.
Even though this is certainly unconstitutional, you do not want to be the one hit by it.
"Decriminalization doesn't mean tricks are safe."
No, but nowhere is totally safe, decriminalization increases the safety.
"If a strip club is known for prostitution" What does that mean? Talking like the women who engage in prostitution are a social menace.
"and a known prostitute is seen with a man, they have probable cause." Probable cause only goes that far if you think you are dealing with something like t*rr*rr*sm. Prostitution, CA PC-647B, is a very minor crime, like loitering or open container. Shouldn't be using this to suspend basic constitutional rights. A woman with a record should not be a big deal.
SJG
Rarely are people called upon to show moral the kind of moral courage needed by those who served in French Resistance
Gary Clark Jr. - Bright Lights and notice Doyle Bramhall II, playing left handed and with a left hander's body, but with it strung for a right hander. Look close and you can see this, and if you listen to him play and watch closely you can hear it. He learned always using borrowed guitars from right handers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZeDn-h…
The way the Bush signed anti-trafficking and violence against women act is written, there need not be force, fraud, coercion, or m*n*r's involved. And it could even be domestic. The penalties are severe.
Even though this is certainly unconstitutional, you do not want to be the one hit by it.
"Decriminalization doesn't mean tricks are safe."
No, but nowhere is totally safe, decriminalization increases the safety.
"If a strip club is known for prostitution" What does that mean? Talking like the women who engage in prostitution are a social menace.
"and a known prostitute is seen with a man, they have probable cause." Probable cause only goes that far if you think you are dealing with something like t*rr*rr*sm. Prostitution, CA PC-647B, is a very minor crime, like loitering or open container. Shouldn't be using this to suspend basic constitutional rights. A woman with a record should not be a big deal.
SJG
Rarely are people called upon to show moral the kind of moral courage needed by those who served in French Resistance
Gary Clark Jr. - Bright Lights and notice Doyle Bramhall II, playing left handed and with a left hander's body, but with it strung for a right hander. Look close and you can see this, and if you listen to him play and watch closely you can hear it. He learned always using borrowed guitars from right handers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZeDn-h…
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Criminalisation of sex work normalises violence, review finds
Sex workers three times more likely to experience violence from client where trade is criminalised, data shows
Sex workers are more likely to suffer poor health, violence and abuse in countries where their trade is criminalised, a major review has found.
The review, by researchers from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, found that sex workers suffering repressive policing – including arrest, imprisonment and extortion by officers – were three times more likely to experience sexual or physical violence from a client and were twice as likely to have HIV or another sexually transmitted infection as those who lived in countries where sex work was tolerated.
Sex workers who fear that they, or their clients, may be picked up by the police are more likely to engage in risky encounters, unable to take the time to talk to a client before getting into a car or negotiate terms in advance, the researchers found.
Their health and safety were at risk not only in countries where sex work was criminalised, but also in Canada, which has introduced the “Nordic model” pioneered by Sweden, under which the client can be arrested for a criminal offence, but not the sex worker.
Published in the journal PLOS Medicine, the paper by Lucy Platt, associate professor in public health epidemiology, and Pippa Grenfell, assistant professor of public health sociology, is a review of data from 33 countries. They included comments from sex workers who took part in some of the studies.
Canada passed a law in 2014 to make it illegal to pay for sex, but some sex workers say that has made their lives more risky.
“They couldn’t have designed a law better to make it less safe,” said one sex worker. “It’s like you have to hide out, you can’t talk to a guy, and there’s no discussion about what you’re willing to do and for how much. The negotiation has to take place afterwards, which is always so much scarier. It’s designed to set it up to be dangerous. I don’t think it was the original intention, but that’s what it does.”
Another woman working on the streets in Canada said she was no longer able to talk through the car window to ensure they felt safe. “Because of being so cold and being harassed, I got into a car where I normally wouldn’t have. The guy didn’t look at my face right away. And I just hopped in cause I was cold and tired of standing out there. And you know, he put something to my throat. And I had to do it for nothing.”
France, Iceland, Northern Ireland, Norway, the Republic of Ireland and Sweden also criminalise the client. Guatemala, Mexico, Turkey and the US state of Nevada have regulated sex work, which allows better conditions for some, but worse for the many who operate outside the regulated arrangements.
A man in the UK said the ideal situation was working from shared premises, where everybody had companionship and greater security. But, although buying and selling sexual services is legal, that can fall foul of the law. “Because of the legal situation, you have to be very, very careful. Because obviously it’s running a brothel, which has … really dangerous consequences these days,” he said.
New Zealand is the only country to have decriminalised sex work, in 2003, although it is not legal for migrants. Sex workers said they were more able to refuse clients and insist on condom use, while relationships with police were better. “We always have police coming up and down the street every night,” said one woman. “We’d even have them coming over to make sure that we were all right and making sure … that we’ve got minders and that they were taking registration plates and the identity of the clients. So … it changed the whole street, it’s changed everything.”
Grenfell said: “It is clear from our review that criminalisation of sex work normalises violence and reinforces gender, racial, economic and other inequalities. Decriminalisation of sex work is urgently needed, but other areas must also be addressed.
“Wider political action is required to tackle the inequalities, stigma and exclusion that sex workers face, not only within criminal justice systems but also in health, domestic violence, housing, welfare, employment, education and immigration sectors.”
http://titsandsass.com/the-oakland-polic…
I agree with the earlier comment that that is a natural result for any kind of prohibition law.
SJG
Say drugs are legalized, so addiction becomes a health problem vs a criminal one. Yet there is no universal access to health care and no public services to handle it. I take it private insurance for addicts would be overly expensive, plus getting an addict to pay it.... And even with legalized weed. It just allows corporations to profit off it while dealers who sell better, cheaper weed get tougher sentences.
With sex work. If someone is going to have the choice between spending at least $500 in a legal brothel, like in Nevada, or spending $150 on IG, where do you think they'll go to? If a hoe has to pay taxes, pay health insurance, pay to get tested, comply with brothel rules, etc........or just do her own thing, what do you think she will ultimately choose? Same thing between choosing up with a pimp vs a business owner.
The root of the problem is a society where women are commodified to that extreme and men think its okay to exploit them.
In my experience, hoeing is not a normal choice. The myth of the happy hooker or Pretty Woman type shit, just isn't real. Its a very difficult choice and not one anyone really wants to make. Its just a product of a fucked up situation in a fucked up society. And of course they're not gonna tell tricks what its really like.
IceyLoco, plus 25.
I am blown away!
SJG
Decriminalization is about harm reduction. So say we decriminalize prostitution... it will become a public health, mental health and social issue rather than a criminal issue. The main approach towards it would deal with reducing the spread of STDs, dealing with addiction, abuse, safety, human trafficking, etc. As is, the US lacks any sort of public institution or agency capable of addressing these problems. So criminalization is the alternative. Likewise, decriminalization for hookers doesn't mean decriminalization for tricks or pimps.
Legalization on the other hand deals with licensing, regulating and taxing prostitutes. It doesn't curb illegal prostitution. Frankly someone doing something illegal and getting away with it for a period of time is very unlikely to quit and go legal. Also, like with marijuana, it would become a lucrative sector for a set of very wealthy individuals who can afford the licensing requirements for brothels. It wouldn't be an equal opportunity business. In Nevada for example, you need 250k in liquid assets to qualify, in California you need to afford 150k in fees to the state. Brothels would undoubtedly be licensed similarly.
No one has ever supported the Nevada model.
But today we see that the Netherlands model has problems, the women can be treated badly by LE. They tend to still operate illegally as they do not want a record. But then when they get busted they are offered a drop of charges, if they register and pay a double fee.
The women still do not like dealing with male cops.
So today, most just advocate for flat out decriminalization.
Some have called for a special zone, like in San Francisco, around the Costco, and having one cop per block to insure safety.
Here, I find this 28 page paper, and its references to be extremely interesting:
https://www.anthropologymatters.com/inde…
Perhaps you might wish to comment on it.
SJG
Stage Side Makeout Session, lots more going on in the shadows too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XARgc5Um…
Lap sitting, prelude to a real nice DFK + FIV makeout session, if the guy wants to come on to her some and go for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGdaWjCN…
Stage side DATY discernable ( abajo )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AOrtMIK…
Heavy thighs and tush, in white. Such girls are best for TLN, and she looks very ready for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea3_CMDa…
Led Zeppelin: Live on TV BYEN/Danmarks Radio [Full Performance] 1969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-WSbMW7…
Nicki Minaj
http://getwallpapers.com/wallpaper/full/…
Most proponents do not want legalization of any type anymore. They just want decriminalization. But often there is to be some containment on this.
If you just looked the other way and let the women come and go freely from a strip club, we would have it. Just as good as it is in TJ.
SJG
The problem with just letting it go on ....turning a blind eye to it, is that prostitution ruins strip clubs as such. For the strippers anyways.
1- Girls who do extras tend to be hookers who are put into the club by their pimps.
2- When its really predominant in a club. It means management is getting a cut.
3- This sidelines the girls who just want to dance and decreases how much they make.
4- Management coerces girls into prostitution coz its profitable...This is the case in a lot of regular nightclubs for example where waitresses are pimped by management.
Deja Vu tried to make their Pahrump Chicken Ranch as good as TJ. But they could not because of the screwy laws. No Front Room Makeout Sessions.
So they did what they could, then they gave up and put $4 Meg into Tijuana.
The Nevada model really regulates the women, and this screws over the custies.
Far better to deal with a girl you met in a strip club.
And these NV places are going out of business. Some have been bought and sold many times in the last 10 years. Some of the buildings have been torn down.
NV laws benefit the brothel owners and the politicians who stay in office by convincing people that they are protecting them from the evil women.
SJG
If LE would just stick within due process and the Constitution, then most of the prostitution laws are unenforcible anyway.
SJG
We had this Leslie Love Bill in MIchigan, to professionalize strip clubs. That would have been a disaster.
So they run, just without any real attempts to enforce on much.
SJG
DC basically just wants to pay hoes so he wants to make it look like a great thing. Its not.
The NV model works but like any legal vice, its a lot more expensive than the illegal aspect.
Decriminalization won't happen in the US. There's no infrastructure to handle it. Plus decriminalization means a safe harbor for the prostitutes not tricks pimps or human traffickers.
If its decriminalized that means it become a social and health issue. The US doesn't have any kind of social programs or public health infrastructure to handle it. The goal would have to shift from jailing hookers to looking at their social and health care needs. It doesn't mean they're just allowed to do what they want. Furthermore, tricks pimps and human traffickers would still be criminalized.
You're the one who as usual acts like an entitled little bitch who thinks the world has to change to suit your petty little wants. To you its just about you fucking hookers, that's it.
What services everyone takes for granted????? There is no universal health care system here. There's no social service network that will help them get off the streets and into legit employment, counseling, etc. Free STD testing, free rehab, free anything.
If decriminalization were implemented today, it would just mean that hookers won't get arrested, but would have to be referred somewhere....there's nowhere to refer them to. Tricks pimps and traffickers would still get arrested, there would still be stings etc.
Legalization has problems because it puts the women into bad situations with the authorities, and the NV model is even worse.
De-Criminalization is what most of the proponents today want. It does largely get rid of pimps because they are no longer necessary.
They have never called for NV legalization, but they used to call for Netherlands style legalization. Today, they only call for decriminalization.
Very interesting paper for those interested:
https://www.anthropologymatters.com/inde…
Just imagine if LE had to follow the law and could not invoke things like "Trafficking" to put themselves above the law.
So a man and a woman walking out of a strip club and to the next door motel are not doing anything which is anyone else's business.
SJG
1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed (Eric Cline, PhD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-yso…
Decriminalization doesn't mean tricks are safe. If a strip club is known for prostitution and a known prostitute is seen with a man, they have probable cause.
Even though this is certainly unconstitutional, you do not want to be the one hit by it.
"Decriminalization doesn't mean tricks are safe."
No, but nowhere is totally safe, decriminalization increases the safety.
"If a strip club is known for prostitution" What does that mean? Talking like the women who engage in prostitution are a social menace.
"and a known prostitute is seen with a man, they have probable cause." Probable cause only goes that far if you think you are dealing with something like t*rr*rr*sm. Prostitution, CA PC-647B, is a very minor crime, like loitering or open container. Shouldn't be using this to suspend basic constitutional rights. A woman with a record should not be a big deal.
SJG
Rarely are people called upon to show moral the kind of moral courage needed by those who served in French Resistance
Nancy Wake: Gestapo's Most Wanted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNXKovYM…
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/073227…
Gary Clark Jr. - Bright Lights and notice Doyle Bramhall II, playing left handed and with a left hander's body, but with it strung for a right hander. Look close and you can see this, and if you listen to him play and watch closely you can hear it. He learned always using borrowed guitars from right handers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZeDn-h…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYXMDCNj…
Even though this is certainly unconstitutional, you do not want to be the one hit by it.
"Decriminalization doesn't mean tricks are safe."
No, but nowhere is totally safe, decriminalization increases the safety.
"If a strip club is known for prostitution" What does that mean? Talking like the women who engage in prostitution are a social menace.
"and a known prostitute is seen with a man, they have probable cause." Probable cause only goes that far if you think you are dealing with something like t*rr*rr*sm. Prostitution, CA PC-647B, is a very minor crime, like loitering or open container. Shouldn't be using this to suspend basic constitutional rights. A woman with a record should not be a big deal.
SJG
Rarely are people called upon to show moral the kind of moral courage needed by those who served in French Resistance
Nancy Wake: Gestapo's Most Wanted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNXKovYM…
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/073227…
Gary Clark Jr. - Bright Lights and notice Doyle Bramhall II, playing left handed and with a left hander's body, but with it strung for a right hander. Look close and you can see this, and if you listen to him play and watch closely you can hear it. He learned always using borrowed guitars from right handers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZeDn-h…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYXMDCNj…
Even though this is certainly unconstitutional, you do not want to be the one hit by it.
"Decriminalization doesn't mean tricks are safe."
No, but nowhere is totally safe, decriminalization increases the safety.
"If a strip club is known for prostitution" What does that mean? Talking like the women who engage in prostitution are a social menace.
"and a known prostitute is seen with a man, they have probable cause." Probable cause only goes that far if you think you are dealing with something like t*rr*rr*sm. Prostitution, CA PC-647B, is a very minor crime, like loitering or open container. Shouldn't be using this to suspend basic constitutional rights. A woman with a record should not be a big deal.
SJG
Rarely are people called upon to show moral the kind of moral courage needed by those who served in French Resistance
Nancy Wake: Gestapo's Most Wanted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNXKovYM…
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/073227…
Gary Clark Jr. - Bright Lights and notice Doyle Bramhall II, playing left handed and with a left hander's body, but with it strung for a right hander. Look close and you can see this, and if you listen to him play and watch closely you can hear it. He learned always using borrowed guitars from right handers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZeDn-h…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYXMDCNj…