“No such thing as bad student, only bad teacher.” ~ Kesuke Miyagi

There is not such thing as a bad football player, only a bad coach. If the coaches were any good, I would be an NFL star.

^Good one Jack, using your metaphor if the music teacher was any good I’d be a Rock and Roll Star

Meh....Given infinate time and resources a teacher can accomplish the ideal. How many teachers get that opportunity. It's nice to post pithy quotes declaring some fundamental truth but we all live in a world with constraints. Teachers have to triage those worth spending their time on.

Professors are rewarded for the quantity and quality of publications in respected journals -- regardless of whether they can teach worth shit.

Good students seem to always get the right idea on their own and don't need to be spoon-fed. Especially now with so much free or low cost content out there.

@DC...and that's why the Asian nations crush. Entitlement attitude a good economy

I think high school is just a total waste of time.

The goal of education should be to teach people to be able to educate themselves. How soon does this happen? It varies.

Remember the movies "To Sir With Love" and "Blackboard Jungle"?

Being a school teacher can be really tough.

Part of the reason for high school as always been to cut down on the size of the labor market, by taking in those not going to college.

I think the solution has to be some sort of supervised independent studies and part time schooling, mixed with career building employment.

SJG

School isn't for everyone and life is about choice. If you don't choose traditional education your future career choices become narrower. Nothing dishonorable about being in the labor force.

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But if high school is a waste of time, how much better is college?

SJG

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So then what is the remedy?

It could be no school. But I say it should be part time self directed supervised independent study, and that this should be the beginning of a life long practice.

And then I say it should also be part time career building. ( appropriate employment, not just a 'job', and entrepreneurship )

SJG

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Education should not only be about careers, or about not being in the 'labor force'. Primarily education should be about self development and about giving yourself choices.

But beyond a point, this should be supervised independent studies. Being able to teach yourself should be the goal.

But it is also true that book learning does not work that well for everyone, probably it does not work that well for most people.

My organization will solve all of these issues.

SJG

High school was a joke, I got excellent grades with minimal effort.

That said, I was a horrible student. I did the bare minimum of homework (with the exception of the two Bio's I took, she'd let me sleep in class as long as I did the work), never studied, often fell asleep when the teacher lectured, never volunteered anything and if I had to participate I was usually sarcastic about it. This had nothing to do with the teacher's doing poorly and all to do with me not caring.

Dumb quote.

You can't force people to learn what they don't want to. And education should not be primarily for job training.

If you want scholarship, you have to have people who direct themselves. So this should be the objective of schooling, teaching people how to educate themselves.

And the only way you can do this is to let them try.

If you want smart people, you have to interview them and look for the evidence that they continue to educate themselves.

In my organization it will always be like this.

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