We Americans can ill-afford to complain about how good it is at FKK and TJ ... a

Girls like sex too. Seems like other nationalities treat their women better than Americans. Might be that our sexually repressive country creates males who go a little nuts when they go to liberal venues. And there are those who want to regulate and legislate our behavior to mimic theirs, because they have all the answers.

How many of us are willing to stand up and say, "I am mad about hookers, and I am not going to be repressed any more!" Apparently not enough. However, our president has set the precedent that any pervert can become POTUS.

@tahoecruz - well stated.

... it starts with awareness - and followed with action. Here's someone trying to decriminalize prostitution: petitions.moveon.org

"... it starts with awareness - and followed with action"

Hmmm, maybe someone here should start an Organization...

^^ LOL ! (I know, I know .... dread that 50,000 word manifesto being posted in this thread)

Well said, rogertex.

In my experience, the dressing room is filled with girls cackling about being a ROB. I imagine some of it is posing and some of it is true. And I suspect that most of the motivation is social stigma.

(Granted, there are some men who are just as okay with having the same amount of mileage in a high priced VIP as on the floor and there’s no ripping off actually occurring. But in my experience, most are not and are at minimum mildly dissapointed.)

I will say for myself that 98-99% of customers are not disgusting creeps. Some may annoy me because they are goofing around on spending. But otherwise, most are likeable enough.

I don't think human nature is any different in the US than it is in any of the countries where prostitution is legal. People are people, no matter where you go. What is different is our political coalitions and our political systems. One thing I do know: this isn't about religion. Some people say that America doesn't legalize prostitution because this is such a religious country... but prostitution is legal in Mexico and Brazil, which are two fairly religious Catholic countries. Meanwhile prostitution is illegal in China, an officially atheist country.

I think it’s about culture more than religion, but anti-sex religion definitely has impact on culture

Granted, I believe the cost of sex in Tijuana is more so because of cost of living disparities than culture. Numbeo says Local Purchasing Power in San Antonio, TX (San Antonio is a pretty low cost of living city by US standards btw) is 148.13% higher than in Tijuana.

Whereas Germany just simply has more of the open culture. Which makes things less expensive despite that Local Purchasing Power in Frankfurt is 12.00% lower than in San Antonio, TX

@nicespice - agree, the behavior of dancers is tit for tat response to "perceived" behavior of certain customers. I really don't mind people who are opposed to any kind of strip clubs, or prostitution - even if I disagree with their opinion. Can't understand people, who go to strip clubs, or in general are looking for hooking up with women - and complain that it is not as good as overseas while at the same time disparaging prostitutes.

@BurlingtonHoFactory - good examples - to prove it's not about religion at all. I'll say - in the end - politics has to follow people's wishes. If there are enough people who feel there is a place and space for legal prostitution, politicians will respond.

I’m not against prostitution I just prefer being with one woman at a time, and I prefer a willing partner to a paid partner all of the time.

^ Fair

butt I like multiple partners. and they like multiple partners. usa is repressed by prudes. I prefer liberty.

^ I don’t begrudge you that just going back to the other thread I don’t want to share my partner with anyone.

@ nicespice

Actually i don't think that FKKs could exist in Germany as they do without the influx of cheap sex labor from Eastern Europe where the GDP per capita isn't that much better than Mexico (and Mexico has larger households to save money). That and a permissive culture that legally allows the trade/import of women for sexual services.

At the turn of the 20th Century, prostitution was tolerated if not legal in many parts of the United States. The movement to ban it was spearheaded mainly by the same First Wave feminists who would also push for Prohibition.

@ BurlingtonHoFactory

I agree. I do think certain sects of religions are more likely to push for banning prostitution, but I think overall it's an attitude. In China, the government is seen as kind of a "Big Uncle" whose job is to correct misbehavior and push society to what they consider the "correct" path. I think there are plenty of people in America who feel the same way, and I don't even think it's a "liberal" or "conservative" thing either.

I highly doubt prostitution will ever be legalized in the U.S,, outside of those few areas in rural Nevada. Certainly, we will never see anything like Tijuana or German FKKs. I believe our only hope is Canada. Canadian law regarding prostitution has been vague, with gray areas, and has changed in recent years. Canadians tend to be more progressive (like with immigration, health care and the legalization of marijuana, which I believe they're pushing for). It's a country with a small population relative to its massive size, which a Canadian friend once told me requires a lot of tax money to keep up the infrastructure. It would not surprise me if Canada legalized prostitution in the near future, with FKK-type clubs and red-light districts. If Germany and other advanced Western countries can do it without turning into the Wild West, I don't see why it can't be done in Canada, which would then become a hot tourist destination, generating much tax revenue.

1. I think FKKs would still exist in Germany even without all the cheap Eastern Euro girls, but it would be much more expensive and there would be fewer providers.

2. I’m a hardcore atheist, but I don’t agree with those people who seem to want to blame religion for every little thing they happen to dislike. Historically, Catholicism and Islam are even less sexually permissive than Protestantism… and yet Catholic Mexico and Brazil have legalized prostitution, as does most of Latin America.

Also, prostitution is legal in atheist Cuba, but illegal in atheist China.

And prostitution is legal in Muslim Lebanon, Tunisia, Algeria, and Turkey, but illegal in Muslim Syria and Jordan. Clearly this isn’t about religion.

Perhaps you can make the case that it's not about religious belief, per se, but rather about organized religion. In other words, people who believe but who don't go to church regularly might be less likely to want prostitution outlawed. I don't really know. It still seems like a weak connection to me.

1. I’m not convinced that prostitution is illegal in America solely because we, as mongers, tend to speak poorly of sex workers and slutty women in general. I'm sure it doesn't help, but that's not the reason. There is no country that I know of where little girls dream of growing up to be a sex worker. There is no country that I know of where people bring their local brothel-worker to Career Day at schools. And yet many countries have legalized sex work, despite the social stigma.

Also, consider this: we now have legalized weed in many States… and yet no one in history has ever said a kind word about drug dealers or drug users. This is a much more complicated phenomenon. As I’ve said in the past, we have some quirks in our political system here in the States that makes it difficult to make prostitution legal again.

FKKs would still exist, but not as they are now. By that i mean hot (supposedly 8+) on average white girls (Eastern Euro, but still) charging around 50 Euros per half hour. Without that supply, they would require more local supply (and likely less attractive women willing to have sex for that little) or make it up with other varieties (still imported). I don't think prices would rise much, just the availability of what the clientele preferred and therefore less business for the FKKs.

So some might even close instead of still making money hand over fist at 60-100 Euros from every customer (maybe around 500 per day) and woman (maybe around 100 per day) having sex at the club all year round. So they would be different than they are now and probably not the dream destination of many TUSCLers.

“Actually i don't think that FKKs could exist in Germany as they do without the influx of cheap sex labor from Eastern Europe where the GDP per capita isn't that much better than Mexico (and Mexico has larger households to save money). That and a permissive culture that legally allows the trade/import of women for sexual services.”

Good point. I wonder if these women come to stack paper and go back home or if they truly live to be a long term resident. Cause otherwise you would think they would adjust to the culture and up their prices accordingly?

maybe fkk is at a major economic peak value price point right now.

my goodness. I don't like prudes. ( like all my family is). and sum of my older friends. ( such 'moral' people!)

Tj ruins us permanetely for me i have always had a thing for latinas my god it's worse know! The 5 6 and 7 are better looking than most us women to me! The 8 9 and 10s in tj are goddesses!

I would not ever have an interest in fkk i lice latinas so much! I want to move down to tj lol

ditto DC.

and country man... I love Latinas. but I love all the rest of them too!!!!

@ mister wonderful after 3 and a half days in tj i am ruined i loved latinas before it is worse now but i do like them all to but prefer latinas so many so naturally gorgeous!

Although a pretty natural redhead can be a sight to see!

In Thailand, as their economy has improved over the last 30 years, the quality and number of providers has dropped. It’s straightforward economics. There used to be only one good paying employment option for attractive young women. Now, other types of good paying jobs are available. Plus, there are far more wealthy Thai men to snatch up the most attractive women for exclusive arrangements.

that seems to happen a lot in tijuana with the prettiest girls.