OTC versus ITC spending
georgmicrodong
Just a fat, creepy old pervert.
“Many dancers have experienced that if they agree to OTC, then inside spending stops.”
I believe this to be true. Moreover, I believe the underlying premise to be true as well, i.e. that OTC does, in fact, decrease ITC spending. I know this to be true in *my* case, with only one exception that I can remember.
I also believe that many dancers do *not* recognize a couple of other factors that might be in play in general, and *will* come into play in my case.
One, overall spending is going to decrease over time *anyway*. Whether this is because some “new shiny” shows up at the club, or I decide to cut my losses and move on, or one of us gets tired of the other, or she quits, or whatever, at some point, I’ll stop spending.
Two, in my own case, her net profit has the potential to increase. There’s two reasons for this. I’ll be spending more, and she’ll be keeping it all, instead of giving the club a cut. If I’m spending $100 on a VIP, and tipping her $100, she’s only actually getting about $125-150, depending on the club. If I take her out, she’s going to keep that entire $200, plus maybe get dinner or lunch.
Last, since I’m seeing her OTC, that frees up (mostly) my “time slot” in the club for another PL to spend money on her. Of course, if I’m just replacing another OTC customer, this is probably a wash. However, like many others here, I am mostly looking for the low to no volume girls, for whom I’d be a value add, and not just the next in line. I don’t always succeed, but that’s my goal.
Of course, economics aren’t the *only* reason a dancer might decide *not* to meet a fat, ugly, creepy old guy with a small dick for OTC fucking, but if she’s already inclined to fuck me, and it’s a virtual certainty that we’ve done such ITC before I’ve asked for OTC, the net is probably going to work out positive, even allowing for the extra time she spends “working” OTC as opposed to ITC.
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There, fixed it for you.
I think a lot of it is also the more you can “toy” with a customer, the more you can keep them hot and bothered and keep the spending.
But generally that kind of stuff works best with a customer who is more GFE oriented.
Back when I was more open to that kind of stuff, I’d be more likely to agree to OTC with a traveler than a local. I had met a couple of customers who would whine about their former CF and I wanted no potential part of that drama in the future.
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Gotta work on that self-esteem there, @nanoDong.
My reaction to the thread is .... duh.
Of course ITC action stops. Why support the infrastructure of the club in order to have cramped, rushed, non-private sex in a club with obnoxious music blaring the background?
The way I look at it, as long as she’s keeping me happy OTC, I couldn’t care much less how she treats me ITC. If she’s fucking me in a nice comfortable, if cheap, notell room, I don’t really care if she’s not fawning over me in the club.
Somewhat amusingly, one girl once asked me to act pissed off when she “turned me down for dances.” The guy she was with actually smirked at me as I walked out of the the club with an “irritated” look on my face. She later told me that he was very financially appreciative of her consideration. :)
BTW I’m very discrete, my regular girl, is more about introducing me both in the club and to her friends. And I help her out plenty but never pay her to meet OTC.
I was just trying to provide objections a dancer might internally have but won’t state out loud.
My point was, it’s not a self-esteem *problem* to acknowledge one’s issues. :)
not necessarily, my approach has changed drastically. I usually roll with a G to the club because im a G. and i break it up to what i can get with every dollar. i tried the just go and feel approach, which then set me up to get hustled by the dancers. OTC is not available all the time with my approach, because i dont make appointments or give out my number. if i have done OTC before with a specific dancer, shes only getting what i normally pay for a specific service ITC. LDKs-> 3 songs for 100, or 20 for 1 song (try outs). those are the only services i pay a stripper (LDKs & tryouts). No drinks, stage tipping, chit-chat ITC.
I think the bigger dancer's challenge is managing multiple regulars ITC at the same time. In some cases it might not be as simple as who has the most money to spend at the moment. Their frequency and loyalty become other factors. With my faves I set the expectation that I'm always next. Meaning if I am ITC before any other regulars arrive, I'm next and nobody cuts in front of me without my permission no matter how much they want to buy her out. Period. And I haven't had a fave that didn't comply. I'm not a big spender but I'm extremely loyal to my faves and I cum in to see them frequently. If that's not worth my expectations to a stripper I have no issues moving on because of the saturated Portland stripper market. LOL they know this too.
@Sirlapdancealot Hm, didn’t consider the chance of a dancer becoming too popular for her own good.
I’ve only recently been building potentials and regulars in my San Antonio club and forgot what it was like. For a while, I was only working in one club that doesn’t attract regulars.
I can see how OTC becomes more practical for time management/smooth customer experience in that case though.
im not phil jackson or bill belichik. you cant win them all, but when you do win the championship your MVP catches a "superbowl" hangover. instead of rebuilding your team you stick with your guys, which sets the franchise back a few years. strippers have to perform and i see if i put you in the game.
And LOL I don't use a bball team analogy. With me it's golf and each stripper is my caddy. I only play with one at a time on the course and I have a different one at each course.
@Paul: Hmm, if I were to guess club regulars maybe like 10% on a night shift and 30% on a dayshift. Definitely more dedicated junkies on a dayshift though.
Most clubs that don’t attract regulars would be something Vegas style. It’s known for beautiful women and that brings in high earning spenders (usually from out of town), which increases competition, so the dancers get into a “fast hustle” state of mind.
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(still way too easy to accidentally hit the post button.)
I think because it is the norm most strippers have to sales pitch based on the customer not being a regular but rather a one time spender. Thus they tend to go for as much earning as possible for that interaction only. The only drawback to this is that they may lose out on securing a long term regular that *thinks* she is just being a ROB because her pricing (and service) is not oriented towards customers that are regulars. It's an interesting dilemma.