OTC versus ITC spending

Makes sense except that we don't all fit into one model, if I am seeing someone OTC I do make trips to the club and spend pretty well when I am there hanging out with her. My disagreement is that when I do come in I do expect her to treat me like I'm an important custy, that sometimes means, ditching who she might be hanging with, her decision at least in my case, is the person who she is hanging with worth as much to her as I am, because her risk is if I don;t heve fun hanging with her in the club, I will find another dancer, and that new dancer might endanger her OTC money.

My ITC spending a girl definitely goes down when I start doing OTC with her. But I would think what I"m paying her for the OTC time is more than off-setting that. And I have found that a lot of girls I have been with like the OTC atmosphere better.

"when I do come in I do expect her to treat me like the whiny little bitch I am"

There, fixed it for you.

^You mean you fixed it for yourself, don’t project your own feelings of inadequacy on me, stay on the porch son. It’s safer for you.

That is true, all customers have a time limit.

I think a lot of it is also the more you can “toy” with a customer, the more you can keep them hot and bothered and keep the spending.

But generally that kind of stuff works best with a customer who is more GFE oriented.

Back when I was more open to that kind of stuff, I’d be more likely to agree to OTC with a traveler than a local. I had met a couple of customers who would whine about their former CF and I wanted no potential part of that drama in the future.

@nicespice - yeah, I imagine whiny little bitch customers are a real pain in the ass, right?

I just liked to be discreet with my whoring and wanted to lower my chances of getting outed.

"Of course, economics aren’t the only reason a dancer might decide not to meet a fat, ugly, creepy old guy with a small dick for OTC fucking"

Gotta work on that self-esteem there, @nanoDong.

My reaction to the thread is .... duh.

Of course ITC action stops. Why support the infrastructure of the club in order to have cramped, rushed, non-private sex in a club with obnoxious music blaring the background?

And that’s a dancer’s challenge. Regulars aren’t only valuable in themselves. They provide social proof. With a regular, customers would ask me for a dance without me having to approach.

@twentyfive: “because her risk is if I don;t heve fun hanging with her in the club, I will find another dancer, and that new dancer might endanger her OTC money.”

The way I look at it, as long as she’s keeping me happy OTC, I couldn’t care much less how she treats me ITC. If she’s fucking me in a nice comfortable, if cheap, notell room, I don’t really care if she’s not fawning over me in the club.

Somewhat amusingly, one girl once asked me to act pissed off when she “turned me down for dances.” The guy she was with actually smirked at me as I walked out of the the club with an “irritated” look on my face. She later told me that he was very financially appreciative of her consideration. :)

@nicespice I wouldn’t whine babes, never have never will, my point was simple loyalty goes both ways. The few girls I’m regular with, have never had any complaints. BTW I’m very discrete, my regular girl, is more about introducing me both in the club and to her friends. And I help her out plenty but never pay her to meet OTC.

@Random: I don’t have much in the way of self-esteem issues. I also don’t have any illusions about my appearance and attributes.

@GMD I get your approach but I’m a different type of cat, I do care about my appearance and having lost over a hundred pound a few years back, I have always, dressed well, and, am often taken for 10-15 years younger than my actual age which is 64. It’s not an illusion, it’s a fact, you never get a second chance to make a good, positive first impression.

@25 That’s good you have found dancers to have a mutually good thing with.

I was just trying to provide objections a dancer might internally have but won’t state out loud.

@twentyfive, yeah, I’ve lost about 30 pounds over the last couple of years myself. It’s slow going though. A persistently bothersome back injury makes exercising at peak effectiveness difficult, so it’s just going to take time.

My point was, it’s not a self-esteem problem to acknowledge one’s issues. :)

"Many dancers have experienced that if they agree to OTC, then inside spending stops"

not necessarily, my approach has changed drastically. I usually roll with a G to the club because im a G. and i break it up to what i can get with every dollar. i tried the just go and feel approach, which then set me up to get hustled by the dancers. OTC is not available all the time with my approach, because i dont make appointments or give out my number. if i have done OTC before with a specific dancer, shes only getting what i normally pay for a specific service ITC. LDKs-> 3 songs for 100, or 20 for 1 song (try outs). those are the only services i pay a stripper (LDKs & tryouts). No drinks, stage tipping, chit-chat ITC.

@Salty.Nutz That’s good that you have found a system that works, both for yourself and your dancers. So you don’t really do OTC then?

@Sirlapdancealot Hm, didn’t consider the chance of a dancer becoming too popular for her own good.

I’ve only recently been building potentials and regulars in my San Antonio club and forgot what it was like. For a while, I was only working in one club that doesn’t attract regulars.

I can see how OTC becomes more practical for time management/smooth customer experience in that case though.

the only value i provide to a dancer is money. if a dancer is tied up with a regular, it doesnt necessarliy mean shes a good dancer for me. if i like a dancer i try her out and see if she makes the LDK Varsity aTeam. All strippers that didnt make the team one night probably will make it the next night. and the girls that make it the 1st night will get cut the next time. Eventually youll have a starting 5 and will need to manage their shots. they need to perform every night. if not they go on the bench.

That’s good that you have found a system that works, both for yourself and your dancers. So you don’t really do OTC then?

im not phil jackson or bill belichik. you cant win them all, but when you do win the championship your MVP catches a "superbowl" hangover. instead of rebuilding your team you stick with your guys, which sets the franchise back a few years. strippers have to perform and i see if i put you in the game.

@GMD I never said self esteem issues, I think that’s more of a female thing TBH, or at least for most guys self esteem in more about they’re pocketbook than their looks

So you have no self esteem issues, but you're on here boasting that strippers say you look 10-15 years younger than your actual age. Haha, news flash - strippers tell all their older custies that.

^Like I said son best stay on the porch, I never said it was strippers saying that, did I now.

Who else would say that bs?

Son you are starting to become tiresome you aren’t ready for prime time yet, like I told stay up on the porch, lest you anger one of the grownups with your tipping and tapping and snapping at our heels.

@nicespice - Interesting insight about whining about a previous CF to a new potential favorite. Good to know. How frequently or rarely do you run into guys like us that are junkies like us? I sort of assumed most guys would club regularly with a favorite dancer they fell in love with and then quit. Also what makes a club not attract regulars?

@Sirlap: that’s really conscientious of you. I hope my future husband does something similar to that if he needs to.

@Paul: Hmm, if I were to guess club regulars maybe like 10% on a night shift and 30% on a dayshift. Definitely more dedicated junkies on a dayshift though.

Most clubs that don’t attract regulars would be something Vegas style. It’s known for beautiful women and that brings in high earning spenders (usually from out of town), which increases competition, so the dancers get into a “fast hustle” state of mind.

A whining 64 year old has to be the worst, right?

^One more outburst I'm sending you to your room.

^^my wife does know anything about my SC habits, after having children SC are the only outlet i have where i can be myself, a hoe and a drunk.

@nicespice - I figured most regulars fit into three groups, guys who just like to hang at the club, a guy who is in love with a specific dancer, or a junkie like myself or sirlapdancealot that comes to see a specific dancer but will move on afterwards. My assumption always was most guys who come to see a specific dancer are more in love than a junkie. Thoughts? Any major group I am missing? If you are saying that all three of those groups fit into the 10/30% numbers you stated earlier?

I look back at my first OTC girl six years ago. it was fun but got ridiculously expensive because of her insisting that her friend accompany her. so I was paying for both those girls. and of course Easley spending twice as much. and probably because of that the performance fell off the 1/2

to 1/2. shit. (still way too easy to accidentally hit the post button.)

@PaulDrake. Maybe I predicted low for all three groups that would altogether form “regulars”. Hmm, I’m not too sure about the breakdown then.

I've had 2 regular OTC ladies. With one the OTC had no effect on ITC as I still saw her at the club and spent as much as before. With the second I never saw her ITC again after the first OTC. Her questions were what time and which hotel and room number? As she said all we did was change venue. I can see the second attitude being more prevalent though.

When a girl is on my OTC roster, I’m not seeing her ITC anymore.