Just checked out SA/Sugaring - what the fuck?

So thats where you been. Looks like SA is where the cool kids are these days.

Im a pretty average guy i probably have a 5% lay rate. After getting married i frequented SC more and had more success at SC. I hooked up with at least 10 girls and the last 2 years compared to 3 in 8 years when trying to pull from night clubs/bars. I only managed 1 date online after 100 of messages. Unless you are really good looking and stacked i dont think you will have much success. Top dating Apps for me:

1. Strip Clubs
2. Bars
3. Clubs
4. On line

i think majority of profiles are real because i have seen instagrams that match their SA profiles though, good luck

Tons of girls - but not easy to find the right-one that is not playing games and is DTF - below are two TUSCL articles on the subject if you want further reading:

tuscl.net

tuscl.net

Maybe they're not really selling themselves, but rather evaluating us and giving a consolation prize if we get a leaner and that is mutual.

ref: en.wikipedia.org

Now that SA has been brought up again, I want to ask: what proportion of the women who visit your profile, favorite you, or message you, are real women and not bots? Even in my small Pennsylvania town, I get way more visitors to my profile, favorites, and unsolicited messages from women than I ever did on a normal dating website (OKC, POF, Match, etc.). How often do you encounter fake profiles that appear active?

I've yet to get sucked in by a bot and I've been using SA for nearly five years.

There are cycles where you will get more looks, hits, and favors than others. As a rule if someone looks at my profile and I like theirs I'll send a generic message. Most times I will get a reply. If someone favors me and I send a message I can't think of time I didn't receive a response.

The girls who send me a note first typically are the ones looking for a quick meeting. (so it's up to me to reply)

I normally send out five intro messages at a time. As a rule I get back 2/3 replies and normally one additional look. I don't have a picture on the site so I understand a good percentage of women will see that and move on.

I've only met one woman who used a very ( very, very) outdated picture ( Northeast Ohio) but for the most part I would say I have been lucky.

Philadelphia has treated me very well over the years I have used the site. ( reference to your Eastern PA location)

I do weed out the overseas profiles and also the ones that for some reason set of my instincts as not someone I want to pursue.

You're welcome to private message me for more details or to ask additional questions.

I get way more visitors to my profile, favorites, and unsolicited messages from women than I ever did on a normal dating website (OKC, POF, Match, etc.).

It might be that it's because you're demonstrating a willingness to put up or shut up, which goes over and above the randoms she meets if she objectifies them

I am a retired SA person and I was on there before if was even even talked about here (6+ years ago).

In my small town I never contacted anyone (only women in my travels) but there was a fair amount of women on there locally. Two things that I paid attention to, 1. When's the last time they logged in. Several profiles had been "dead" for over 6 months. 2. A year later, the same people were on there daily. I'm sure you wouldn't catch this in a big city but in a small one where options are limited it stands out. I always wondered, how could someone that hot not find a guy? Expectations way too high? Then there were women's profiles that I thought "even if you were paying me $3,000 per date, I still wouldn't show up."

Maybe the backpage shutdown has added more ads on SA. Been there done that, so I really am not interested plus most BP people would be women I wouldn't want anyway.

Cleveland has a fair amount, I picked about 8 potentials...but never followed through as other things have kept me preoccupied...Some of the women that pay for pro I'm not sure about, either they're escorts or cops lol...see them online all the time...and a few I'm not sure how they got what it says in their description....some pretty racy commentary....SA wouldn't let me say a few things because it "resembled pay for play" etc...

As I had seen, on RedBook and Craig's List the ads for escort services were real and with real pics.

But that's not quite the same as SA. I would still suspect though that the ads are real.

SJG

I think you might be right BHF - in your assumption regarding the girls migration from certain currently closed sites.

I’m too cheap to pay up for SA - and then pay to play.

@Papi_Chulo,

Thanks for the links. Anyone who's interested in sugaring should read Subraman's and sinclair's articles; they basically tell you everything you need to know, and although I didn't read every single comment, even the commenters had a few good insights.

I'm not a rich guy by any means, so I definitely won't be giving anyone a $3,500/month allowance, as Subraman mentioned in his article; I'm actually looking for an OTC arrangement with a stripper or "stripper-type." So in a way, I'm really just going to use SA as a tool for finding strippers who are DTF, rather than weeding through them in person at the titty bar.

I personally believe that most of the profiles belong to sex workers and bots, not college students and MILFs. I wouldn't turn anyone down for not being a stripper, of course; if I find a grad student or something, I'd jump on that, too... but I think the non-strippers/non-hookers are the ones who are looking for a monthly allowance from a rich guy. After all, they're not used to hourly sex work. We'll see.

I live in a major metro area and haven't seen much difference pre- and post- FOSTA.

@Burlington: "How can there really be this many women looking to sell themselves, especially at a time when everyone has become obsessed with gender equality... and at a time when the economy is doing well, meaning there should be fewer poor and desperate people? "

Bizarre. That doesn't make any sense. Even the best and brightest college girls are going into debt at the rate of $30K to $50K per year depending on what kind of school they attend. How are they supposed to pay tuition and living expenses on $11/hr part-time? Even girls from affluent families are sugaring for luxury expenses.

@Burlington: "I personally believe that most of the profiles belong to sex workers and bots, not college students"

If you're concerned about escorts, then insist on unpaid platonic dates, initially. It's just about that simple. It's nearly impossible to fake being a college student for any length of time after getting to know them. Screen out all except "college-verified" if that's your concern.

"... How can there really be this many women looking to sell themselves ..."

I have not looked at SA much; but from what has been commented on TUSCL, it seems many girls put up a profile for the hell of it - many probably think there are tons of guys out there willing to give them $5k/mo to just go on dinner-dates; and many are probably fishing, and holding out for, a chump that will give them $5k/mo for just dinner-dates and non-sex vacations - i.e. all those tons of women seem to me are not all DTF for $200 or $300 per session.

Exactly. That’s what I think, Papi. It’s free for women to post so they are just fishing for a true sugar daddy, not a monger.

-->"Now that SA has been brought up again, I want to ask: what proportion of the women who visit your profile, favorite you, or message you, are real women and not bots? "

From what I can tell, most of the average looking (or worse) female visitors are real, or at least their profiles read as real. I don't know for sure since I don't message them back

-->"How often do you encounter fake profiles that appear active?"

In general, there's an enormous number of fake profiles (and professionals) on SA. There's also a whole lot of "real girls", too.

Most of the attractive girls who favorite me are fake profiles or professionals. So are the ones who message me first. Not all, mind you, but for the most part, as in real life, the best looking girls are not lacking for attention. There are some nice looking girls who are more proactive though.

-->" I get way more visitors to my profile, favorites, and unsolicited messages from women than I ever did on a normal dating website (OKC, POF, Match, etc.)."

Yes, of course; on Match, they're looking for love, on SA, this is basically a revenue-generating opportunity, so the pros and the less attractive girls, and even some of the hotter girls, make the first move

@RandomMember said

"How are they supposed to pay tuition and living expenses on $11/hr part-time? Even girls from affluent families are sugaring for luxury expenses."

I don't know. How do the boys do it? And while we're at it, how do the ugly girls get by? People find a way.

Besides, if college really is a guaranteed gateway to a stable well-paid job (hint: it isn't) then it should probably cost a whole lot more than a measly $80,000, which I think is the average cost of a public in-state bachelor's degree, including housing expenses, before grants and aid. (After grants and aid are factored in, the average tuition is probably less than $8,000 per year.) This seems like a perfectly reasonable price... once again, IF college is the meal ticket we've been told that it is. So either it's worth it or it isn't. If it's worth it, then they should be willing to pay much more. And if it isn't worth it... then why the hell are they even going in the first place?

You also said "If you're concerned about escorts, then insist on unpaid platonic dates, initially."

I don't necessarily mind escorts. I'd take it on a case by case basis.

Have done about 15 of them $60 to $200 pop. Most sessions w Baytown Housewife $140 Pop about 40 sessions really good fuck.

Some gals off SA ROB want like 3000 mo allowance tell them “go find him”

Max--the escort pool in Northeast Ohio in my estimation is about as bad as it gets.

As for SA there are slight variances on what you find depending on where you are looking (cities, regions) but overall students, teachers ( especially elementary school level) nurses, hair dressers and make-up artist, and waitresses make up the majority of the women on the site. You'll also find bartenders and self-employed ( many times exotic dancers)

I can't agree with Subraman this time. What I have noticed is the WOC and Latin women are more aggressive and will approach you.

yeah I had a ton of WOC hitting on mine....and also no pic ..... though I had private pics I shared with a few....quite a few "nurses" as well on there...I was trying to pick out the dancers....and I found one at the SC I frequent...messaged her on there and she was down to fuck....but I never did because I was seeing another dancer at the same place...

As far as the escort pool, I currently see one high quality provider on switter.at that I would engage....Best bet is to get to know the traveling girls and get on their list.

I remember one girl charges 200 for 1/2 he and 300 for hour on BP. while at the same time she had a SA account and asked for 500/hr.

My observations:

• There are definitely more "escorts" on there now than a few weeks ago when BP and Craigslist were still in business.
• I mean, one night while I was at a concert, this pretty girl just messaged me out of the blue with "wanna come finger me" .... I had never talked to her before lol. And yes, I did, and it was probably a one time thing.
• I had some good early success using the site; however, lately it's been disappointing. My primary local girl is 2 hours away and may be a rinser. The girl I met in Baltimore last Saturday looked nothing like her hot pictures (she had packed on at least 50 lbs.), and then just disappeared after I gave her the allowance (we were going to go to a concert). We did enjoy each other's company in my hotel room though, so not a total loss. The girl I met in Columbus a few weeks ago looked nothing like her picture, nor did the last girl I met in Dallas.
• Lesson learned: Whenever you see only face pics, or pics with hands around the waste, she's not going to have that "slim" or "athletic" body she advertises. It will likely be overweight. I now only look at profiles with full body and face pics that are not taken in such a way to hide anything.
• Setup some M+G with some new local girls this week, will see how it goes.
• It's getting harder keeping all this activity "hidden" from my normal home life. I'm finding that it may not be worth the $$$ or effort. I am seriously considering going back to SC's instead of SA.

To @Burlinton:

One-bedroom apartments nearby are running $1500 per month. Even at public colleges, it's hard to get by on less than $35K per year when you consider tuition and all living expenses. Students are stressed out and getting by is much harder than it was in my generation. Whether or not college is a good investment is a another topic; it's still the way to go for at least half of the population.

I think the tone of your original post is way too negative. If you want to hook up with attractive college girls, it's possible with a little effort. I've had three (including the current one since January) who would have made great life partners if I were 25yrs younger. Current SB is a pretty, slender, Italian girl from N. California who was student-body president in high school. She graduated this week and she's been accepted to law school next year. We're both tested and trust her completely over at my place. It doesn't get any better than this -- unless someone invents a time-machine.

There are just orders-of-magnitude more possibilities online than you can find in a strip club (at least in major metro areas). I find the only purpose for strip clubs these days is for spur-of-the-moment entertainment. Sugaring can take weeks to find the right person.

@RandomMember,

I get it, on a nominal basis, college is expensive. So are houses. So are cars. So are surgeries and prescriptions. I'm not denying any of this. And even though college isn't job training (nor should it be), employers can and do still demand that people have a degree before they'll even let them interview. This is all basically true. But you can't sit there and say that A) college is expensive, B) sugaring is the only option, and C) that's why everyone is selling themselves. If it's an option that only applies to, at most, 25% of college students (basically, fuckable chicks who are willing to be alone with strange men) then, by definition, it can't be the only option. What do the other 75% of students do? That's all I was saying in my most recent response.

Secondly, you shouldn't read the tone of my post as negative. It was really more like shock and surprise. But in a good way. I agree with you that strip clubs are of limited value, and this has become more clear to me as the years have gone by. SA looks like it has more promise.

I'm reading everyone's posts and I do appreciate the comments, but I'm noticing that people seem to have very different experiences with SA. Maybe it isn't for everyone, or maybe some people just aren't doing their research... but is there really a way to research SBs? Is there a site where SDs can swap info and review the girls? It would be weird if such a site existed, because this is supposed to be a long-term proposition (in theory). But I guess you can at least let each other know about the ROBs and "rinsers." Can anyone recommend such a website?

On a related note, I've recently gone on a spree where I've banged a bunch of hookers whose numbers I grabbed before all the sites went down. There were no reviews available by the time I met them. Mixed bag of experiences. For example, they were all definitely the girls in the pictures, but one had gained some weight... and two others had clearly posted only the most flattering and airbrushed of photos. One of them gushed about how handsome she thought I was... another told me she couldn't wait to get me into a bed (we did it in my car)... but a third one basically wanted more money just to touch her. Another girl upsold for what she considered GFE services. So it was a mixed bag for sure. I'm guessing SA will be similar if there are no reviews to go by.

There isn't although I have been told there is a site for the SB's to talk about us.......( no way to verify)

The best advice I can give you is to trust your gut first and foremost.

Second find what works for you and stick with it-- to define for me that means meet in a public place, ask questions and pay attention to how she responds. I prefer after work drinks to coffee but the first meeting should allow you to be sure the pictures match girl who shows up and to observe her reactions as you communicate.

Personally I prefer someone who is a little nervous because it means she probably isn't a pro.

The hardest thing for me from day one is allowing them to take the lead on what happens next. I never expect anything but a meet and greet on the first meeting but I've had some great experiences on first meetings. It does happen.

Do not allow what she states on the site in terms of money or how she wants to be paid ( monthly allowance) stop you from contacting them. Much of what they post is to keep the lowballers and flakey guys away. The smart girls realize most guys are not going to hand over thousands of dollars up front until some semblance of trust is built.

Do however be on the look out for arrogance or hateful comments in the description. Some of it can be attributed to how other guys have treated them but someone with a bad attitude in their profile probably is going to be a pain in the ass and not worth th trouble.

Honestly it doesn't take much of my time finding someone and I am by most accounts picky

I still go to strip clubs but as I mentioned on here before the visits are more of a last minute choice for me to do when I am on the road for work.

Escorts I haven't used for some time with one exception in DC --SA seems to be the best choice for me and it has been for a few years now.

I typically find a steady girl one of the places I travel to often and then a second girl in locations I visit from time to time and I am upfront with both of them. I've been seeing my steady since the end of January--Grad student.

I haven’t been on SA in about 6 months, so things may have changed some, but here’s my take on most of the negative statements. I think that your expectations are too high, if you use the site the way it was intended like Random, Warrenboy, & Subraman laud it out you will get pretty consistent results, but if you approach these women like an over excited schoolboy looking for a cheap whore, you will be very disappointed. There are fakes and flakes all over not just on SA, as an educated monger you should be able to spot them and avoid them. My 3 cents.

@BurlingtonHoFactory posted: “How can there really be this many women looking to sell themselves, especially at a time when everyone has become obsessed with gender equality... and at a time when the economy is doing well, meaning there should be fewer poor and desperate people?”

I’d say don’t think that just because the overall economy is doing well that some individual’s economies are also doing well. This is especially true for people in the bottom 4 quintiles (80%) and people without stock market investments (about 50%, according to @skibum609). I don’t think those two groups are necessarily doing well these days or doing better.

@BurlingtonHoFactory posted: “why hasn't a competing website arisen to take advantage of the market?”

If it’s anything like civvie dating, there aren’t enough high income / high net worth guys to go around for all the women who want one. Probably get same with a sugar daddy website. What’s the ratio? 4:1. 10:1?

Quick status update: I've been on SA pretty steady for a few days now, and I really like it. If you're on the fence about it, my advice is to just do it - it's a lot of fun. In a way it's a little like being at a strip club because many of the girls will approach you, rather than waiting for you to make the first move like in civvie world.

You'll find everything from single moms and college girls to strippers, escorts, cam girls, and probably even porn stars in certain markets. You can join for free, and send up to 10 free messages, but the free account isn't very useful because sugar daddies aren't allowed to read messages from women until they become paid members. Membership is a non-refundable $90, which I initially balked at, until I rationalized that it's no different than paying a month's worth of cover charges at a strip club.

This is the first time I've ever paid for a membership on a dating website, but I don't think I'll ever go back to free dating websites again. Hell, I don't think I'll go back to free dating ever again either! It's a real trip to have a rotating cast of 3 to 5 different women every day all vying for your attention. And as others here have said, you don't have to offer anyone a monthly allowance; more than half of the girls will accept a PPM arrangement, in the $150 to $250 range for the cute ones, or $300 to $500 for the drop-dead gorgeous ones. Everything is negotiable. They all want to graduate up to a monthly allowance, of course, but once you've fucked them once or twice, you can just move on to the next girl. Don't ruin it for the rest of us by offering a monthly allowance right away upfront LOL.

Thanks to RandomMember for putting the idea in my head in the first place. And thanks to Papi_Chulo, Warrenboy75, Subraman, Sinclair, Player11, Steverox, twentyfive and others for their good advice

Burlington Ho....you are spot-on.

I just urge you to read my recent discussion topic regarding SA.

...as I wait for a SB right now :D

@abqspencer,

Thanks man. I did read your post the other day. That bitch had nerve. Luckily I'm not married and not in a relationship, so it would be hard to blackmail me. My bigger worry is just getting set up to be robbed/carjacked