When you are innocent … act like it
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Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) urged President Donald Trump and his lawyer on Sunday to stop flailing at special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation and to let the probe continue unimpeded.
"When you are innocent … act like it," Gowdy said on “Fox News Sunday“ when asked about Trump's repeated Twitter attacks on Mueller, whose probe has become increasingly perilous to the president and his inner circle. "If you’ve done nothing wrong, you should want the investigation to be as fulsome and thorough as possible."
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/1…
Not sure I agree with that sentiment - personally my motto has always been "Deny everything, demand photos"
Still, when you've lost a Benghazi wing-nut like Gowdy...
"When you are innocent … act like it," Gowdy said on “Fox News Sunday“ when asked about Trump's repeated Twitter attacks on Mueller, whose probe has become increasingly perilous to the president and his inner circle. "If you’ve done nothing wrong, you should want the investigation to be as fulsome and thorough as possible."
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/1…
Not sure I agree with that sentiment - personally my motto has always been "Deny everything, demand photos"
Still, when you've lost a Benghazi wing-nut like Gowdy...
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Act like a leader and at least pretend that you have faith in the law process like you want all of your constituents to have.
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Well, except for indictments of Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Papadopoulos, 13 Russiona nationals... I'm probably leaving out a few.
But according to Trump, other than being his campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, and national security advisor, he hardly knew those guys...
There were more serious things exposed by people attempting to bring Trump down. Hillary, Comey, McCabe, Abedin, ...
My point is that nothing was found against Trump, the target of the investigation.
He has consistently touted the rank and file FBI agents, but has called out the leadership when their actions have justified it.
I don't personally think a lot of Trump as a person, but I generally think he has treated this investigation correctly.
Ironic.
I was waiting for a response and then was going to ask him if he was just another crybaby 25 alias. You jumping in spoiled it but supported my thought at the same time.
I’m not the crybaby that would be you Trump fans that can’t deal with any dissent.
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"Guilty or not, this brings to light the hypocrisy of COCK-cervatives. when a colored man complains about prejudice in the justice system he needs to respect LE, but when whites do it they are supported. "
Seriously?
After a year, don't you think it's time to move on to some other contrived BS to try to bing him down? This isn't 1600's Salem.
As for the "colored" man complaining about prejudice in the justice system, can you cite a recent example?
Trayvon Martin?
The Baltimore Riots
St. Louis protests?
Berkeley?
Charlottesville?
The neo nazis were instigators and completely in the wrong. I can't condone their viewpoints or actions.
But Charlottesville was a circumstance of two wrongs don't make a right.
"Bush’s CIA director call it right the other day describing Trump as a petty despot who will end up in the ash heap of history"
Just so you know, that was Obama's CIA director, John Brennan. And given Brennan's recent support for Gina Haspel (not to mention his own record of "service"), I don't think his statements have much credibility anymore.
Does the other side have a fair point ?
If so I defy you to post what you agree with from the opposition!
Not sure the statement is the best of advice.
For most of my life I've been a let actions speak louder than words but I'm seriously starting to question if it is a valid position to take anymore.
I find Trump using twitter to be less than appropriate for a president of the USA but I also understand why he feels he needs to do so.
Reopen the investigative branch of the US marshals service, fire EVERYONE at the FBI and allow every agent below the level of regional supervisor to apply to move to the marshal service without loss of pay or pension. All the personnel above regional supervisor need to be fired without pension and banned for any public service in LE or elsewhere. Most all regular agents are trying their best to do their jobs right. The crooks at the top are playing politics for their own gains.
Lets re-count the past:
LBJ: back room politician, ruthless and uses government agencies to ruin political enemies and personal wealth
Nixon: enough said
Carter: stupid, naive, a weak political pawn in over his head.
Reagan: positioned himself so his public support did require back room dealings
Bush: road Reagan's coat tails while trying the entire time he was VP to undermine Reagan and increase his power. Bush 1 = very corrupt political insider, used political connection to get rich
Clinton: political operative training n the 60's by KGB (ref years at oxford and moscow) master of political maneuvering, back room deals, murder, and 17 year old girls.
Bush 2: addict, got elected because he was the lesser of two evils, got us into the second gulf war for his personal and political gains, created the patriot act which negated much of the bill of rights and was/is aimed at increasing the gathering of all political power into the hands of the DC elites.
Obama: massively corrupt chicago politician, globalist who would sell his kids into sex slavery for political gain. Used government agencies to squash political opposition, IRS, FBI, used government intelligence agencies to spy on political opponents and citizens. Closet National Socialist (nazi) (remember the nazis owned everything, the nazis were the government and the nazis used eugenics and government power as an excuse to get rid of enemies and to gain their wealth(if you are no a supported of us we will ruin you even if we have to make stuff up), today's nazis simply use their power and media opinions to force you to comply or to ruin you. It is easier and cleaner than murder(it does not generate public ire but the result is the same-if you are different you WILL be CRUSHED!) With the help of the clintons and bushs the patriot act uses political agencies to go after everyone who opposed them.
Hillary: Treason, murder, criminal facilitation of rape, perjury, racism, theft
"Does the other side have a fair point? If so I defy you to post what you agree with from the opposition!"
I'm neither a liberal nor a conservative, but on the issue of Russia I come down on the side of Trump (who, by the way, is also neither a true liberal nor a conservative). These are the things that I agree with from the Russia/Mueller debate and what's been posted here:
1) The Russian government definitely did try to create mischief during the election, hoping that it would weaken and embarrass Hillary Clinton and the United States. But they never seriously thought that Trump would win. And I doubt that their meddling had much of an impact regardless. Generally, the type of people who would have believed the nonsense that they were peddling online were already hardcore Trump supporters to begin with.
2) If Trump or someone on his team really did collude with the Russian government or with Russian hackers during the election, then it was probably illegal. But it should not be illegal. Think about it, would it be illegal if Trump had simply hired some Russian immigrants here in America to do the exact same thing (i.e., to spread stupid lies on the internet)? Would that have been illegal? No. So how is this any different?
3) Trump behaves as though he has something to hide. I don't know if that's part of the plan, to encourage his opponents to keep the investigation going only to subsequently reveal that he's innocent and thereby make them look bad, or if he's really guilty, or if he just can't help himself. Who knows?
4) Trump is an enormous turd and a cancer on the American body politic. His opinions are also much closer to that of the average person, proving once again that the average person doesn't know jack shit, and that it would be dangerous to have an ordinary person in charge. (For the record, it's also dangerous to have an elite person in charge.)
I have a lot of respect for Mueller and I'm confident that he's not on some partisan witch hunt, wasting taxpayer money. He's a Vietnam War hero, a Republican, Princeton grad, calm, measured, ethical, intelligent (everything that draft-dodging clown Trump is not). Mueller knows a lot more than the general public and he's clearly working his way up and indicting the small players first. Who knows where this will lead? Maybe money laundering, obstruction of justice, illegal campaign contributions?
Trump's a fool for attacking Mueller with his mindless Twitter rants -- but I get the feeling the Mueller will simply do his job, either way.
OT: How ‘bought that cartoon TV economist Kudlow, @Burlington? Told you he’d get some high-level appointment. At least he’s not the Fed Chair.
Ray Lewis didnt have money? Did he play in the NFL after/before he had charges? NFL players go broke after they leave the NFL.
yes LE is incompeten look at the recent Florida shooting where the officer resigned because he failed to act. looking at the FBI scandals when they go to Colombia (corruptable). Also, if the FBI is going after Trump unaffairly, its an abuse of power. What I am saying, whenever colored people claim to be treated unfairly by LE they are old to respect LE, that is hypocrisy. why arent Cock-cervative telling trump to respect LE and shut his mouth?
He needs to stop discrediting LE or the common (colored/poor) people that discredit LE have a point
But you only read and hear what you want to, so long as it supports your Trump bashing agenda.
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And the news organizations don’t provide us with any useful information any more just spending their entire time on air analyzing and disecting every statement made by anyone regarding Trump. They need to shut the fuck up as well and bring us the news we can editorialize on our own just fine.
And from someone who worked inside the DC Beltway for years I can tell you first hand the only thing worse than the elected politicians in many cases are the lifetime staff--who have learned to do very little but hold on to their jobs --at least long enough to collect their pensions. And as much as for this reason is why the McCabe firing resonated with people--especially when you look at Lois Lerner and the Bullshit she got away with while working for the IRS.
But ie is a witch hunt. Gotta call a spade a spade.
Ie is discrediting those that are continuing to push forward with no end in sight.
"OT: How ‘bought that cartoon TV economist Kudlow, @Burlington? Told you he’d get some high-level appointment. At least he’s not the Fed Chair."
Yeah, you called that one. But just because he's on tv, that doesn't mean he's not an economist.
"You have to give Trump credit: he pivots really fast. For the past few years, if a law enforcement officer shot a suspect, we were always told that we should give the cops the benefit of the doubt - anyone who didn't agree was deemed anti-law enforcement and weak on crime. But now we're being told that the nation's top law enforcement agency is treasonous. So does this mean that Trump is anti-law enforcement and weak on crime, too? After all, the FBI are cops, aren't they? So aren't we supposed to give them the benefit of the doubt, just like the cops who shot suspects in Ferguson, Baltimore, New York, Chicago, Charleston, etc? Surely any evidence that they have against the FBI pales in comparison to the videos of local police officers killing unarmed suspects in cold blood, right?"
This was the thread:
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=5518…
No one wanted to talk about it at the time, but Trump really is good at tarring other people while avoiding getting the tar on himself.
It had nothing to do with the subject matter. Apparently you are a complete dickhead aND nobody wants to engage with you.
@flagooner, like i said gulity or not. i dont care. i dont identify with right or left, i was trying to bust some balls by calling concervatives, cockcervatives. my understanding of politics is if you go too far right, you eventually end up being left and vice versa.
How did it have nothing to do with the subject matter? The topic was the Russia investigation, and everyone was talking about the FBI. In fact, the OP, mark94, mentioned the FBI a half a dozen times in his initial post, implying that they're corrupt and parroting Trump's line that they're trying to take down the president. Rickdugan also talked about the FBI in that post. Learn how to read - it makes posting bullshit on the internet much easier.
The reason nobody wanted to talk about it on your thread had nothing to do with the subject matter.
Understand now?
I give up. You are thicker than fishsticks.
I guess you win, you piss-ant ;)
If he does fire Mueller as he seems likely to, he will force Republicans to go on the record, at that point, his base (35% +~) will comprise a larger part of the electorate than they actually are, in return he seems intent on disregarding the rule of law.