When you are innocent … act like it

That's fucking stupid. If someone accuses you of something you didn't do, you should go all in and proclaim you innocence absolutely, without wavering.

If he want us to respect the rule of law The President needs to follow suit. Cops are good people who would never plant evidence. Well so is the FBI.

Act like a leader and at least pretend that you have faith in the law process like you want all of your constituents to have.

I agree with that, but that shouldn't stop you from proclaiming your innocence. There is also something to be said for fiscal responsibility after over a year of investigating and finding nothing

"... after over a year of investigating and finding nothing"

Well, except for indictments of Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Papadopoulos, 13 Russiona nationals... I'm probably leaving out a few.

"well, except for indictments of Manafort, Gates, Flynn"

But according to Trump, other than being his campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, and national security advisor, he hardly knew those guys...

What were the indictments for? Actions before the investigation started or because of the investigation? I really don't know but I think most of the non-russians indictments had to do with contradictory statements.

There were more serious things exposed by people attempting to bring Trump down. Hillary, Comey, McCabe, Abedin, ...

My point is that nothing was found against Trump, the target of the investigation.

Guilty or not, this brings to light the hypocrisy of COCK-cervatives. when a colored man complains about prejudice in the justice system he needs to respect LE, but when whites do it they are supported. more hypocrisy like "white genocide" because women dont want to marry and have kids. Cock-cervatives are the snowflakes that usually want more government when they claim they want less.

I don't understand the hostility. When the investigation started, Trump basically said "Bring it on." because he wasn't concerned. After a year he is saying enough is enough. Sounds reasonable to me.

He has consistently touted the rank and file FBI agents, but has called out the leadership when their actions have justified it.

I don't personally think a lot of Trump as a person, but I generally think he has treated this investigation correctly.

^^^You don’t understand the hostility, WTF I don’t understand the hostility that the fat fuck treats everyone that doesn’t kiss his ass with.

LOL. Ironic. I was waiting for a response and then was going to ask him if he was just another crybaby 25 alias. You jumping in spoiled it but supported my thought at the same time.

And I consider him to be quite svelte.

^^^Bush’s CIA director call it right the other day describing Trump as a petty despot who will end up in the ash heap of history
I’m not the crybaby that would be you Trump fans that can’t deal with any dissent.

^^^^ Then bring it on, sooner Trump is gone the better!

SJG

Putin cheatsheet.com

Can't we all just get along?

@Salty

"Guilty or not, this brings to light the hypocrisy of COCK-cervatives. when a colored man complains about prejudice in the justice system he needs to respect LE, but when whites do it they are supported. "

Seriously?

After a year, don't you think it's time to move on to some other contrived BS to try to bing him down? This isn't 1600's Salem.

As for the "colored" man complaining about prejudice in the justice system, can you cite a recent example?

Trayvon Martin? The Baltimore Riots St. Louis protests? Berkeley? Charlottesville?

I really wish you wouldn’t use Charlottesville as a Jewish man who’s dad fought the nazis and recieved medals for heroism in the battle of the bulge and kept photos of the liberation of Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen that offends me more than you can have any idea. I’ll not respond to that on the thread because I consider you a friend but that having to do with neonaziis is beneath contempt.

I agree, that was an example that I shouldn't have gone to. I went too far with that one.

The neo nazis were instigators and completely in the wrong. I can't condone their viewpoints or actions.

But Charlottesville was a circumstance of two wrongs don't make a right.

I disagree with the last part of that those scuzzolas were all out of Townes and they killed a young woman who was local and had a right, and a valid reason to be there. Then to compound matters they ran, and left that girl to die in the street, like the dirty cowards they are.

^ I agree with you there. Never would disagree with that.

In fact, I don't think I agree with much of anything that was done by either side there

Alright 25, let's go back to our balcony seats.

No problem you patronizing mofo ;)

Fucking bully

;-)

flagooner...this isn't a witch hunt. if the FBI didnt have something on Trump they would have stopped. LE is either competent/corrupt or not, make up your mind. if the FBI is able to abuse their authority and target Trump, then local LE can abuse their authority and target colored people. If not, youre saying LE is only justice but they are only targeting trump. this investigation is taking more time because Trump has resources (money/politicians/ attorneys). Colores people dont have resources/luxury to defend themselves. i think personally. OJ/Ray Lewis got off because they have money.

@twentyfive said

"Bush’s CIA director call it right the other day describing Trump as a petty despot who will end up in the ash heap of history"

Just so you know, that was Obama's CIA director, John Brennan. And given Brennan's recent support for Gina Haspel (not to mention his own record of "service"), I don't think his statements have much credibility anymore.

How do you know when someone is a childish retard? Using the phrase "cock-servative" denotes same. No wonder Trump beat progressives: as vile as he is progressives are all cunts. You're also a moron if you think all law enforcement is either corrupt or incompetent. Children, stupid children think in such a limited way. "Clores" people? Ray Lewis didn't have money? Moron.

Legit question for both the liberals and the conservatives posting here. Does the other side have a fair point ? If so I defy you to post what you agree with from the opposition!

"When you are innocent … act like it,.....worked well for Joan of Arc............and in today's world of social media that spreads false hoods faster than the truth: economist.com

Not sure the statement is the best of advice.

For most of my life I've been a let actions speak louder than words but I'm seriously starting to question if it is a valid position to take anymore.

I find Trump using twitter to be less than appropriate for a president of the USA but I also understand why he feels he needs to do so.

The FBI is so politicized it needs to be replaced and closed. Reopen the investigative branch of the US marshals service, fire EVERYONE at the FBI and allow every agent below the level of regional supervisor to apply to move to the marshal service without loss of pay or pension. All the personnel above regional supervisor need to be fired without pension and banned for any public service in LE or elsewhere. Most all regular agents are trying their best to do their jobs right. The crooks at the top are playing politics for their own gains. Lets re-count the past: LBJ: back room politician, ruthless and uses government agencies to ruin political enemies and personal wealth Nixon: enough said Carter: stupid, naive, a weak political pawn in over his head. Reagan: positioned himself so his public support did require back room dealings Bush: road Reagan's coat tails while trying the entire time he was VP to undermine Reagan and increase his power. Bush 1 = very corrupt political insider, used political connection to get rich Clinton: political operative training n the 60's by KGB (ref years at oxford and moscow) master of political maneuvering, back room deals, murder, and 17 year old girls. Bush 2: addict, got elected because he was the lesser of two evils, got us into the second gulf war for his personal and political gains, created the patriot act which negated much of the bill of rights and was/is aimed at increasing the gathering of all political power into the hands of the DC elites. Obama: massively corrupt chicago politician, globalist who would sell his kids into sex slavery for political gain. Used government agencies to squash political opposition, IRS, FBI, used government intelligence agencies to spy on political opponents and citizens. Closet National Socialist (nazi) (remember the nazis owned everything, the nazis were the government and the nazis used eugenics and government power as an excuse to get rid of enemies and to gain their wealth(if you are no a supported of us we will ruin you even if we have to make stuff up), today's nazis simply use their power and media opinions to force you to comply or to ruin you. It is easier and cleaner than murder(it does not generate public ire but the result is the same-if you are different you WILL be CRUSHED!) With the help of the clintons and bushs the patriot act uses political agencies to go after everyone who opposed them. Hillary: Treason, murder, criminal facilitation of rape, perjury, racism, theft

@twentyfive said

"Does the other side have a fair point? If so I defy you to post what you agree with from the opposition!"

I'm neither a liberal nor a conservative, but on the issue of Russia I come down on the side of Trump (who, by the way, is also neither a true liberal nor a conservative). These are the things that I agree with from the Russia/Mueller debate and what's been posted here:

1. The Russian government definitely did try to create mischief during the election, hoping that it would weaken and embarrass Hillary Clinton and the United States. But they never seriously thought that Trump would win. And I doubt that their meddling had much of an impact regardless. Generally, the type of people who would have believed the nonsense that they were peddling online were already hardcore Trump supporters to begin with.

2. If Trump or someone on his team really did collude with the Russian government or with Russian hackers during the election, then it was probably illegal. But it should not be illegal. Think about it, would it be illegal if Trump had simply hired some Russian immigrants here in America to do the exact same thing (i.e., to spread stupid lies on the internet)? Would that have been illegal? No. So how is this any different?

3. Trump behaves as though he has something to hide. I don't know if that's part of the plan, to encourage his opponents to keep the investigation going only to subsequently reveal that he's innocent and thereby make them look bad, or if he's really guilty, or if he just can't help himself. Who knows?

4. Trump is an enormous turd and a cancer on the American body politic. His opinions are also much closer to that of the average person, proving once again that the average person doesn't know jack shit, and that it would be dangerous to have an ordinary person in charge. (For the record, it's also dangerous to have an elite person in charge.)

I have a lot of respect for Mueller and I'm confident that he's not on some partisan witch hunt, wasting taxpayer money. He's a Vietnam War hero, a Republican, Princeton grad, calm, measured, ethical, intelligent (everything that draft-dodging clown Trump is not). Mueller knows a lot more than the general public and he's clearly working his way up and indicting the small players first. Who knows where this will lead? Maybe money laundering, obstruction of justice, illegal campaign contributions?

Trump's a fool for attacking Mueller with his mindless Twitter rants -- but I get the feeling the Mueller will simply do his job, either way.

OT: How ‘bought that cartoon TV economist Kudlow, @Burlington? Told you he’d get some high-level appointment. At least he’s not the Fed Chair.

@skim Ray Lewis didnt have money? Did he play in the NFL after/before he had charges? NFL players go broke after they leave the NFL. yes LE is incompeten look at the recent Florida shooting where the officer resigned because he failed to act. looking at the FBI scandals when they go to Colombia (corruptable). Also, if the FBI is going after Trump unaffairly, its an abuse of power. What I am saying, whenever colored people claim to be treated unfairly by LE they are old to respect LE, that is hypocrisy. why arent Cock-cervative telling trump to respect LE and shut his mouth?

He pretty much did. It has been a year now, c'mon.

lol flagooner, Trump used your own words on Twitter 3 hours ago, "witch hunt"

He needs to stop discrediting LE or the common (colored/poor) people that discredit LE have a point

He isn't discrediting the rank and file, never has. He makes sure to clarify that.

But you only read and hear what you want to, so long as it supports your Trump bashing agenda.

^^im reading from Trump's twitter calling the FBI's investgation a witch hunt. straight from the horse's mouth. i completely get how news can push their agenda, but trump calling an investigation a witch hunt does a disservice to LE and "rule of law".

mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/975720503997620224

Anybody that doesn’t think Trump needs to shut the fuck up isn’t paying attention. And the news organizations don’t provide us with any useful information any more just spending their entire time on air analyzing and disecting every statement made by anyone regarding Trump. They need to shut the fuck up as well and bring us the news we can editorialize on our own just fine.

News organizations quit being news organizations sometime during the second Bush Administration. I don't care which one you watch or read all of them have certain degree of political bias. Hell even the fact check organizations when you dig a little have turned out to have a bias.

And from someone who worked inside the DC Beltway for years I can tell you first hand the only thing worse than the elected politicians in many cases are the lifetime staff--who have learned to do very little but hold on to their jobs --at least long enough to collect their pensions. And as much as for this reason is why the McCabe firing resonated with people--especially when you look at Lois Lerner and the Bullshit she got away with while working for the IRS.

Amen and ^5 to your last post 25.

@Salty

But ie is a witch hunt. Gotta call a spade a spade.

Ie is discrediting those that are continuing to push forward with no end in sight.

@RandomMember said

"OT: How ‘bought that cartoon TV economist Kudlow, @Burlington? Told you he’d get some high-level appointment. At least he’s not the Fed Chair."

Yeah, you called that one. But just because he's on tv, that doesn't mean he's not an economist.

This discussion about Trump being a hypocrite about law enforcement sounds familiar. Back in February, I said this:

"You have to give Trump credit: he pivots really fast. For the past few years, if a law enforcement officer shot a suspect, we were always told that we should give the cops the benefit of the doubt - anyone who didn't agree was deemed anti-law enforcement and weak on crime. But now we're being told that the nation's top law enforcement agency is treasonous. So does this mean that Trump is anti-law enforcement and weak on crime, too? After all, the FBI are cops, aren't they? So aren't we supposed to give them the benefit of the doubt, just like the cops who shot suspects in Ferguson, Baltimore, New York, Chicago, Charleston, etc? Surely any evidence that they have against the FBI pales in comparison to the videos of local police officers killing unarmed suspects in cold blood, right?"

This was the thread:

tuscl.net

No one wanted to talk about it at the time, but Trump really is good at tarring other people while avoiding getting the tar on himself.

^ "No one wanted to talk about it at the time, .."

It had nothing to do with the subject matter. Apparently you are a complete dickhead aND nobody wants to engage with you.

thank you burlingtonhofactory, thats what im trying to say. you have a mastery of the English language.

@flagooner, like i said gulity or not. i dont care. i dont identify with right or left, i was trying to bust some balls by calling concervatives, cockcervatives. my understanding of politics is if you go too far right, you eventually end up being left and vice versa.

@flagooner,

How did it have nothing to do with the subject matter? The topic was the Russia investigation, and everyone was talking about the FBI. In fact, the OP, mark94, mentioned the FBI a half a dozen times in his initial post, implying that they're corrupt and parroting Trump's line that they're trying to take down the president. Rickdugan also talked about the FBI in that post. Learn how to read - it makes posting bullshit on the internet much easier.

Are you that obtuse????

The reason nobody wanted to talk about it on your thread had nothing to do with the subject matter.

Then you shouldn't have said "It had nothing to do with the subject matter." Your words, not mine. And as for no one wanting to talk with me... well, we're both here on a forum dedicated to men who pay for female companionship. Not necessarily even sex, just companionship. So you're living in a glass house by definition. Loser.

Read the quote of yours that I posted ahead of the comment.

Understand now?

I give up. You are thicker than fishsticks.

^^^ I guess you win, you piss-ant ;)

Here’s a thought that I’ve held for quite some time now, there’s another scenario that has not been discussed by very many but it seems to me that Trump is trying to destroy tha Republican Party. If he does fire Mueller as he seems likely to, he will force Republicans to go on the record, at that point, his base (35% +~) will comprise a larger part of the electorate than they actually are, in return he seems intent on disregarding the rule of law.

He won't fire Mueller. That would be stupid, and nobody has accused Trump of being stupid.