For the past year, I've gotten I'd say 90% of my dances on the main floor. The other 10% is because I believed she'd go further and/or I pursue OTC possibilities with her. But as in this past year, I've yet to gain a new OTC stripper (not to mention I had about 4 - 5 months away due to finances) So I was wondering if any of you have gone OTC with a stripper after solely front room dances/convo only?
I do the opposite -- I find main floor dances completely useless. Perhaps a function of the local strip clubs, where main floor lapdances are always a very low contact affair. So if I want to have any fun at all in the club, it's VIPs only.
Are you just in a one-year slump, or has OTC always been difficult? I can imagine from the strippers POV, someone who only buys a few $20 dances might not be profiled as a high payer
@Subraman
I'm in a one year slump and now that taxes are filed, closer to being back on track. IMO from the past it wasn't difficult for me to arrange OTC especially if VIP has been the norm on recurring visits.
Like shadowcat I've never done OTC without having done some VIP.
Im trying SJG's approach of feeding them money in the front room. But in all seriousness, I would like to see this approach develop into some OTC.
I recall a recent poster asking do we prefer the hunt. I do, but to a small extreme. The hunt is rather pricey especially if VIP is involved as where floor isn't. Moreover, I've grown to only take those I suspect will go the extra mile or are open to the subject of OTC to VIP.
Usually you don't need to buy floor dances, as you can just hand your girl cash. Better to get to know her.
I would say best if possible to start standing. Look for a place you can back yourself up against a wall and pull her up to you. I think that does something to a girl. And it is also safe in a place like a strip club. Don't want to box her in. Don't want to expose your own back side.
Then if possible continue with her on your lap. You can just hand her cash. You can compliment her on something she is wearing, like her stripper shoes ( something which does not need to be taken off, but it cannot be fabricated from nothing if she does not have it ). This way the money is more financial support, a show of care and concern, rather than a fee for a service.
Lap dancing used to mean lap sitting. What came with that varied widely, from titty fondling, and sometimes even to FIV and FIA.
And it was in pre-DV pre-Mafia San Francisco New Century that I first learned about front room makeout sessions. I had snuck away from a convention at the Moscone Center, wearing a suit and tie. I spotted and extremely cute black girl. I thought she was an office worker on her lunch hour. I was going to try and take her to lunch. She was in pants and wearing high heels. I now believe she was probably walking from BART.
I would end up following after her into New Century. The door man told me her name. It was a while before she was on stage, but then she was, peeling down to nothing but high heels and makeup, and then inviting another girl up onto the stage for some intense open tongue kissing. And then she was on my lap. Of course the first thing I did was to hand her some cash.
I had not planned this, and usually when they have girl kissing in porno movies I would FF past it. But in real life it was a powerful turn on. Its like a show of girl power, they control the erotic. So I could not help myself in telling her how much of a turn on that was. She instantly replied about how much she was enjoying it. Well, things happen.
No reason to pay any house toll until it is time for your own pants to come down.
And you get a better choreography, no time commitments or obligations, no expectations, no fixed formula for time and money. and you want the girl to let you lead it. You get that IN THE FRONT ROOM.
And when the girl does that with out, you and she are agreeing on an amount of money and a time interval ( one song ). It is too structured and she has to lead it and deliver. So she is a moving target, too much time on her feet.
It is so much better if you can just fraternize and get hands on friendly with her sitting on your lap, and keep feeding her money as you and she see fit. That way she can let you lead it. If it doesn't work, send her on her way. But if you and she get along, not only is a front room makeout session likely, so is waking up with her the next morning.
SJG sounds like an upstanding, Dr. Phil type of guy. Are you sure we shouldn't take advice from him? A front room makeout session does sound enticing...
TFP, sorry there if the clubs near you don't have girls you'd like to be getting off script and making out with, and then pumping a first load into ITC, and then continuing with all night.
I’m far from the OTC expert here but if what you’re doing isn’t working, you could change one factor dramatically until you hit on something that works. On the main floor, you could ask more girls or ask different ones that you’ve been targeting. Or you could bite the bullet and try more VIP and see if that improves things.
One way or another, don’t be afraid to change your approach. It’s not like the strippers who have turned you down are going to hold it against you in some consequential way.
Strip-clubbing is not an exact-science, it's kinda a crapshoot - so there's no you do 'X' you're gonna get 'Y'.
One would assume most dancers are not down for OTC at least not off the bat - also certain clubs seem to be more OTC-friendly and some less-so.
I'm not much of an OTCer, and although there are some girls that are down off-the-bat or may even be the ones to bring-it-up, it seems often times a PL has to build a bit of a relationship w/ the ho in question (by building means spending over several visits).
Of course some studs can pull OTC on the same-night/first-visit; but there's only one RickDugan.
Seems to be two general schools of PL-thought:
1) if you spend well on her ITC, then she does not have as much of an incentive to do OTC
2) if you don't spend on her ITC so she can see you are willing-and-able to spend, she may not think you are worth it
I would think option 2 may be the better-way to go unless one has extremely good PL-powers of persuasion - i.e. OTC is basically ITC VIP in terms of a PL's willingness and ability to spend - doing ITC VIP (w/ extras if possible) lets her know what kind of cu$ty you are and that she would get paid OTC - if she likes/needs your ITC VIP expenditure, she may pull the OTC trigger if she thinks that $$$ is on the line.
This is not to say one *has* to do ITC-VIP, but it seems it would help.
Huntsman, I don't think anyone has said anything about having trouble getting OTC. Our OP simply talked about doing floor dances.
And Papi, I understand what you are saying. But I feel that the more primal it is, the more effect it will have on a girl. So if you are their negotiating OTC with her, when ITC is available, that is not very primal. Primal says, you don't know where she has been or what she has been doing. So GET A LOAD INTO HER!
And likewise why not do her dressed and painted up just as you found her.
And Huntsman, one might want OTC or ITC, but how about treating her like a civilian, and just coming on to her and making it happen. And of course this means you pick a girl and approach her yourself. It it can't happen oh well. But likely, if she is not seriously attached, it will happen.
I have never seen any reason to ever treat a woman like a prostitute.
seriously though, I have always found that with girls who dance in strip clubs, simply treating them like civilians gets them eating right out of your hand. I learned this with my earliest experiences.
@Papi
You bring up a good point and as I was thinking forgot to mention. In my brief hiatus and resuming the hobby, I haven't had any recurring visits with the same girl. A known stripper I've done OTC with several times has begun to flake out and/or exceeded her shelf life.
With that said I do hope to find a potential candidate(s) and put in spending/time with her. Unfortunately, the last two that were "Oh I HAVE to see her again" I haven't been able to come across again
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Are you just in a one-year slump, or has OTC always been difficult? I can imagine from the strippers POV, someone who only buys a few $20 dances might not be profiled as a high payer
I'm in a one year slump and now that taxes are filed, closer to being back on track. IMO from the past it wasn't difficult for me to arrange OTC especially if VIP has been the norm on recurring visits.
Like shadowcat I've never done OTC without having done some VIP.
Im trying SJG's approach of feeding them money in the front room. But in all seriousness, I would like to see this approach develop into some OTC.
I recall a recent poster asking do we prefer the hunt. I do, but to a small extreme. The hunt is rather pricey especially if VIP is involved as where floor isn't. Moreover, I've grown to only take those I suspect will go the extra mile or are open to the subject of OTC to VIP.
I would say best if possible to start standing. Look for a place you can back yourself up against a wall and pull her up to you. I think that does something to a girl. And it is also safe in a place like a strip club. Don't want to box her in. Don't want to expose your own back side.
Then if possible continue with her on your lap. You can just hand her cash. You can compliment her on something she is wearing, like her stripper shoes ( something which does not need to be taken off, but it cannot be fabricated from nothing if she does not have it ). This way the money is more financial support, a show of care and concern, rather than a fee for a service.
Lap dancing used to mean lap sitting. What came with that varied widely, from titty fondling, and sometimes even to FIV and FIA.
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And it was in pre-DV pre-Mafia San Francisco New Century that I first learned about front room makeout sessions. I had snuck away from a convention at the Moscone Center, wearing a suit and tie. I spotted and extremely cute black girl. I thought she was an office worker on her lunch hour. I was going to try and take her to lunch. She was in pants and wearing high heels. I now believe she was probably walking from BART.
I would end up following after her into New Century. The door man told me her name. It was a while before she was on stage, but then she was, peeling down to nothing but high heels and makeup, and then inviting another girl up onto the stage for some intense open tongue kissing. And then she was on my lap. Of course the first thing I did was to hand her some cash.
I had not planned this, and usually when they have girl kissing in porno movies I would FF past it. But in real life it was a powerful turn on. Its like a show of girl power, they control the erotic. So I could not help myself in telling her how much of a turn on that was. She instantly replied about how much she was enjoying it. Well, things happen.
No reason to pay any house toll until it is time for your own pants to come down.
And you get a better choreography, no time commitments or obligations, no expectations, no fixed formula for time and money. and you want the girl to let you lead it. You get that IN THE FRONT ROOM.
SJG
And when the girl does that with out, you and she are agreeing on an amount of money and a time interval ( one song ). It is too structured and she has to lead it and deliver. So she is a moving target, too much time on her feet.
It is so much better if you can just fraternize and get hands on friendly with her sitting on your lap, and keep feeding her money as you and she see fit. That way she can let you lead it. If it doesn't work, send her on her way. But if you and she get along, not only is a front room makeout session likely, so is waking up with her the next morning.
SJG
Seriously though, your first mistake is taking advice from SJG. That's absolutely what you DON'T want to do.
SJG
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One way or another, don’t be afraid to change your approach. It’s not like the strippers who have turned you down are going to hold it against you in some consequential way.
One would assume most dancers are not down for OTC at least not off the bat - also certain clubs seem to be more OTC-friendly and some less-so.
I'm not much of an OTCer, and although there are some girls that are down off-the-bat or may even be the ones to bring-it-up, it seems often times a PL has to build a bit of a relationship w/ the ho in question (by building means spending over several visits).
Of course some studs can pull OTC on the same-night/first-visit; but there's only one RickDugan.
Seems to be two general schools of PL-thought:
1) if you spend well on her ITC, then she does not have as much of an incentive to do OTC
2) if you don't spend on her ITC so she can see you are willing-and-able to spend, she may not think you are worth it
I would think option 2 may be the better-way to go unless one has extremely good PL-powers of persuasion - i.e. OTC is basically ITC VIP in terms of a PL's willingness and ability to spend - doing ITC VIP (w/ extras if possible) lets her know what kind of cu$ty you are and that she would get paid OTC - if she likes/needs your ITC VIP expenditure, she may pull the OTC trigger if she thinks that $$$ is on the line.
This is not to say one *has* to do ITC-VIP, but it seems it would help.
And Papi, I understand what you are saying. But I feel that the more primal it is, the more effect it will have on a girl. So if you are their negotiating OTC with her, when ITC is available, that is not very primal. Primal says, you don't know where she has been or what she has been doing. So GET A LOAD INTO HER!
And likewise why not do her dressed and painted up just as you found her.
And Huntsman, one might want OTC or ITC, but how about treating her like a civilian, and just coming on to her and making it happen. And of course this means you pick a girl and approach her yourself. It it can't happen oh well. But likely, if she is not seriously attached, it will happen.
I have never seen any reason to ever treat a woman like a prostitute.
SJG
seriously though, I have always found that with girls who dance in strip clubs, simply treating them like civilians gets them eating right out of your hand. I learned this with my earliest experiences.
SJG
You bring up a good point and as I was thinking forgot to mention. In my brief hiatus and resuming the hobby, I haven't had any recurring visits with the same girl. A known stripper I've done OTC with several times has begun to flake out and/or exceeded her shelf life.
With that said I do hope to find a potential candidate(s) and put in spending/time with her. Unfortunately, the last two that were "Oh I HAVE to see her again" I haven't been able to come across again
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