OTC with stripper VS escort

it can work either way. butt i prefer seeing and interaction with the girl before OTC. so stripclubs is an advantage usually imho.

I’ve done both and in my opinion, escorts are much more economical. Of course, there are a lot of factors. The most important is what you’re really looking for. If you’re just looking for a good quality lay, do your research with an escort and you will not have the dead fish experience. If you’re looking for the whole GFE, date experience OTC is probably going to be closer, but a hell of a lot more expensive. If you’re looking for a real relationship with feelings and everything, save yourself a lot of time and just jump off the nearest bridge.

No relationship looking for me. Most of my escorting experience came from BP. If you drop some money and are a member of P411 or a regular on TER the quality goes up tremendously as well as the experience I'm sure but they want references and not from BP fare women. The idea of OTC never even occurred to me till i found this site a short time ago. It's been eye opening. Still in my area (NE Ohio) the club's are mostly dives or seem to pretentious for my taste but there id's always diamonds in the rough right?

I would never use an escort. Would simply be scared at what would actually show up. But I love OTC. You meet a girl at the club. You know then if you like her, if there is chemistry, if you can communicate, if she will look good on your arm. Yeah, the cost is probably higher. But you know what you are getting.

@Jdobbs84 It's good that you do research on a legit review sites like TER. It's very important when dealing with escorts to do your homework! Just picking someone at random on backpage can be very risky if you can't find any reviews. Plus, fake picks abound on sites like backpage. I've done both OTC and escorts and haven't had a problem. For me, escorts generally are cheaper. But I've had a more enjoyable time with OTC. Have gotten to know the girl better in the club and had a pretty good idea about how good of a time I would have from a girl out of the club. Even if you do your research on an escort, It's still a crap shoot if the escort is going to be to your liking.

I tried the escort thing, but I didn't get any responses to my ad.

OTC stripper absolutely gets the nod over an escort. For the very reasons and concerns that the op stated. You don't have to worry about the guy in the closet trying to rob you or getting there and finding that the girl is 10 years older than her picture.

This topic has come up at least 10 times since I've been here -- but we discuss every topic at least 17 times.

On balance OTC is definitely safer and more satisfying than escorts. Agree with the comments that you get a chance to at least meet your partner in person to see if there's any chemistry. However, sugaring with the right girl beats both by a mile. Finding some college girl who's not in the sex industry, with common interests, and who's had only a few vanilla BFs is the gold standard to me. Someone you can trust at your house to save on hotel bills and someone who's not going to give you an STD.

Flag, you crack me up !

@Flag the gay escort didn't get any responses.

Good one flag. The thing i like about escorts is you have an idea of what to expect from a session and if she's a flake. That also takes some surprise out of it. A lot of escorts have a set "routine" they go through with everybody. No getting a detailed review of OTC means surprise, i gotta get out there and try it.

SA seems like the best option for quality and price but I don't understand how to use it yet but the discussions here have answered lot.

I used to meet up with escorts at my hotel when I travelled and it was always a crap shoot - I found some real diamonds ( like the tall blonde in Chicago who told me she didn’t like condoms) and some ROB’s. This was before reviews and required calling an “agency” listed in the yellow pages. Overall the dates I’ve gotten from strip clubs have been just what I was looking for. I knew what I was getting and never had a problem. There’s usually been an attempt at upselling ( “I can stay another hour and maybe you can get it up again” or would you like me to come back in the morning to see if you’ve got morning wood?)

-->"SA seems like the best option for quality and price but I don't understand how to use it yet but the discussions here have answered lot."

SA isn't the best option -- it's different than OTC, but got its own share of frustrations, and for myself, all my most exciting experiences have been OTC, with SA offering some nice side dishes. You might like it better, or might not, depending on what you're looking for. Worth exploring both.

My article on OTC and why it's so much better than escorts: https://www.tuscl.net/article.php?id=447…

This topic gets discussed fairly regularly so I’ll just mention one thing. If you’re going to try fs escorts or fbsm, do your research on a site like TER. If you do your research, the ROB or guy behind the door stuff is not a problem at all. Neither is the dead fish, drug addict. If you take a pure flyer on a BP add, you might get your worst fears and you are also going to prime LE sting territory.

So if you’re going to see an escort, spend $30 or so on TER and do a little research. If you like it, spend a few more $ and join P411.

Everyone has their thing and escorts and fbsm are preferred by some but not by others. But any comparisons should not be between BP girls and OTC with strippers you’ve gotten to know. A valid comparison could be made by someone who has actually seen both strippers OTC and well reviewed TER girls. Anyone who hasn’t experienced both has no basis to compare the two. Not that a lack of knowledge has ever prevented anyone from posting as if they know what they are talking about.

I see my comment below Subraman’s post where he referenced his article. My comment was not directed at him. His article is a good read and he has a basis for his preferences. Not everyone who opines has personal experience.

First things first. I'm just going to say what everyone else is thinking: strippers often don't use condoms. And some, but not all, will even take a creampie, too. I think it's because they've gotten to know you for a while and they feel like they can trust you. So if you feel the urge to take a risky ride, go with OTC. Also, every stripper I've ever done OTC with has kissed me. No exceptions, probably for the same reason as the bareback thing.

Other than that, there are lots of differences. From what I can tell, escorts are much less likely to want to do anal, whereas I've met OTC girls who love anal and actually request it. (Personally, I don't particularly care for it.) But everyone agrees that escorts are a much better value overall.

Then there's the different types of escorts: the higher end type that has reviews on TER vs the lower end type that posts on BP. Again, there are pros and cons to each. If you need to bust a nut right now, just roll the dice and go with BP. If you can afford to wait a day or two (or ten), go with a TER girl. She may screen you and make you wait, but the odds of getting busted or robbed drops to close to zero. I find that the best bet is something in between: a girl who advertises on BP and also has her own website with reviews on TER.

Burl makes a point. There are well reviewed TER girls, both fbsm and fs, who also advertise on BP.

I think it is interesting that we try to stereotype women as strippers or escorts when in reality, many of the dancers have tried both. So, I guess I am saying that the experience is really unique to the individual person, not whether they are a stripper or an escort. That being said, I like variety so I enjoy both. With the stripper, you have the club experience which involves a bit of the chase and you are never really sure whether she will show up or not. You also get the stripper out of her element, which she may totally change. The escort to me is much more of a sure thing as to what you are getting for what price and the chances of her showing up are much higher, but you don't have the club experience where you are in an environment with loud music, many girls, selecting one, will it actually happen, etc....

I can't give an honest opinion on which is better because I've seen escorts, but I've never done OTC.

TER is a great resource for a PL to screen potential escorts. I myself only used it as a secondary source. When I took an interest in seeing escorts, I started with a quick Google search for escorts in my area. The very first result was an ad site. It was not anything like BP. It was a site very similar to TUSCL. Both Escorts and PL's created accounts on this site. Escorts would create a profile and post ads. PL's would write reviews if they saw the girl. I found a couple that already had 20+ reviews that were mostly positive. However, in order to get full access to reviews, I did have to pay for a membership. Like on TUSCL, you can buy just a month of access. If you wrote two reviews (not the same girl twice), you would earn a free month of access to reviews. There were also discussion forums on this site, but it was different than it is here on TUSCL. Instead of one discussion board for everybody, there were several sub-forums, many of which were specific to a particular state or major city. I later found TER and used that as a second source of doing research. All the escorts that caught my interest on the other site were also very well reviewed on TER. Not once did I ever use BP as a source to schedule a date with an escort. With the girls that I did see, they all were the same girl in the pictures from their ad, and I did not feel like safety was a concern when seeing them. Only one expereince out of about 10 turned out to be a ROB.

Unfortunately, the escort site I described eventually changed hands and it went to shit. It got rebranded as a dating site and became completey useless.

There are lots of smaller regional boards that are better then TER. I’m fortunate to live in a major market so I have access to one that works really well. When I travel I rely on TER or if I have to use BP I follow it up with a google search on thier phone number to find any reviews on them. As others have said, sometimes OTC is a lot more exciting because there is a feeling of working for it (usually spending more money), and just like a real date nothing is a sure thing.

-->"There are lots of smaller regional boards that are better then TER"

Agree.. despite the praise here, I find TER to be a decently crappy resource, that I use as secondary research at most. Most major metro areas will have a local or regional board that is 100x more accurate, plus discussion forums where you can interact directly with hardcore mongers who have seen a girl in person. Waaaay better picture than anything on TER, plus the guys in these forums will have experience with many, many girls who have not been reviewed on TER (which is what I tend to optimize for), and you don't have to deal with TERs retarded policies around "the highest rating she can get is a 7 unless she does anal blah blah blah". If you participate on the forums in a local board, once you're a known quantity you can get plugged into the best source of information, private messages between trusted mongers.

Summary: If you live in a market with a regional board, you are blessed with the ability to get good intel without ever having to go to the TER crapshoot.

Never been a fan of TER and if you know the board history you'll understand why.

I guess I qualify as a hardcore monger or at least did at one time......maybe older age is finally catching up with me....but a lot of this has to do with the area of the country you are looking.

Northeast Ohio? escorts suck....horrible....did I mention bad............

Eastern PA---escorts are better but SA is better still.........never had much luck with OTC and dancers in this area.

DC--both escorts and SA are quality.......at one time a decade ago this was in my estimation the best place in the country to find a high end reasonable priced escort. Dancers here......well as my past comments have indicated I don't go to clubs much because they are pitiful.

NYC--escorts by far.....it isn't even close and despite the $$$ comments and perception there are plenty of girls to be found that are cool and overall reasonable.

Florida---haven't been to a Florida club in some time--SA first, escorts second.

Stay the hell away from BP.......in my estimation it's like playing Russian Roulette with a meat grinder and your penis...............

Go read Subraman’s article and pay attention to what it says. He’s said basically all the things I and others here have said over the years, concisely and clearly.

My own forays into the escort side of things are relatively recent, only within about the last 8 or 9 years, and nothing about it makes me regret spending my time, money and effort on OTC with strippers. I still do it occasionally, but only when what I want is a quick nut, and only with well reviewed girls. USASG is pretty good for the local area.

My massage experiences have been the only ones that are on par with stripper OTC, but for entirely different reasons, and massage would never *replace* OTC, only supplement it. I suspect that’s primarily because I found an *amazing* provider right off the bat (though sadly, she’s gone now) and so the bar for subsequent encounters has been pretty high.

Of course, all of the things that make OTC attractive for me might mean nothing to you, and if you don’t find them compelling, that’s ok. There’s room in the world for folks who like different stuff. :)

It’s good to see this thread proceeding reasonably. I’ve read a thread on this topic numerous times in numerous places and it seems that the bias of the particular site takes over. That is at least understandable but it’s not very helpful. There are TER threads asking the same question as there have been TUSCL threads on this too. This topic comes up in other places too. Unfortunately, the threads are often full of comments by folks who don’t actually have the experience to speak to the issue.

For instance, I’ve seen TER threads trashing the strip club world because posters claim strippers never put out and they don’t mention OTC. We all know that’s bunk. But it’s also frustrating when someone makes the escort world to be about streetwalkers and BP girls and then trashes it.

Also, the point has been made by several here that TER isn’t always the best bet. I think that is a valid point in that while TER is international, some regions have better resources for online escort reviews. I mention TER just because it is the only one I know of that’s pretty consistently available nationwide and still around. But yes, there are other resources, depending on one’s region. The main point is that it’s a bad idea to meet escorts without doing any homework. There is plenty of info out there. It’s a good idea to use TUSCL and research strip clubs too but you probably don’t run much risk of getting mugged or arrested if you walk into a club without having done any homework.

Yeah, obviously enough we have a strong bias here, too, but this is about as balanced a discussion as you could expect, anywhere else you see far more unbalanced discussions. I originally wrote that article because on every industry forum I've been on that had both SC and escort/AMP discussion, ever now and then some escort guy would come in and tell us SC guys what idiots we were. I have been shocked by how many people agree with the article -- and not just SC guys, even the escort guys who have no experience with SCs very often strongly agreed with my assertion of how much easier it is to find beautiful women at the SC, how "exciting" (not in a good way) it is to see what is behind that door the first time she opens it, etc.

And yes, for escorts and bodyrubs, I'll echo that to have the best experience, it's extra extra important to do some research (with both SA and strip clubs, you have a chance to meet live first, so while research there is always nice, it's not as critical). And if there's nothing else, TER is the backup plan... and, of course, some guys love TER; like so many things, it's a matter of whether your sensibilities match the site culture.

In the end, for me OTC matches the experience I"m looking for the best, by far. Escorts do not -- not even really great ones, because I'm looking to spend far more time for far less money than a typical escort charges for an evening or overnighter or travel. By contrast, I've had some wonderful FBSM experiences, and they are a better match for my "I just want an hour of no-hassle pampering and a happy ending" side dish, when I don't have the time or inclination for OTC. And lastly, I'm finding SA is a fun pursuit as well; in theory, it has the same potential as OTC (especially since nearly every stripper in the city is on it), but while I'm finding more and more fun times, I haven't had the mind-blowing experiences that I've had with my ATFs.

"some guys love TER; like so many things, it's a matter of whether your sensibilities match the site culture. "

I've always thought the best information you can gleam from a site such as TER or a few others that come to mind and have come and gone is to find guys who are sensible and like minded to you and to set up your own network of information with these guys--probably no different than what some guys do on here although I admit I haven't tried here.

The smart shoppers go for the best value and want to waste the least amount of time in finding a good match. It was very important for me years ago when I travelled all over the USA for work ( and this was before SA)

Maybe I've been very lucky over the years because I've had some really excellent times with escorts, and not at a high expense.

"No two people's life experiences are the same.. "
You will find many opinions examples etc on this site as why OTC sex with a stripper is the "caviar of the sex industry". From seen them in person (no bait and switch) and establishing a relationship ITC, the trill of the hunt, convincing them to do OTC, Spending more time for less money, dinner some times, going out, overnights sometimes, closer to a GFE encounter. I agree with that because i have experinced some of that.
However, I wrote an article about my ATF Woman: https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=5080…
Where I explained why my encounter with an high end Russian escort in Beverly Hills was the best sexual human experience in my life. Part of it was that she was beatiful, a 10 in my opinion, nice and sexy to me and seemed to enjoy sex (orgasmed and squirted).
To answer your questions;
Which is better? In my opinion;
Escorts are better for sex and go, sexual girlfriend experience.
Strippers are better for sex and hang out before and after, girlfriend date type sexual experience.
Which is a better value? I depends on what you want, I prefer an escort for sex and OTC for sex and company.
Like we all know in every situation YMMV, you or her might have a bad day.
Just remember common sense and general wisdom:
You can't win if you don't Play.
Just be prepared and aware of the rules of the game, learn from your mistakes and losses, and like Keny Rogers said:
"If you are going to play the game, boy You have got to learn to play it right.
You have to know when to hold them,
Know when to fold them,
Know when to walk away
And know when to run..."

Good luck on your search for your own answers. I hope you have good experiences and share them, to help others learn from you.
"Every defeat every loss, every heartbreak it is a lesson on how to improve your performance the next time."

Subraman also mentioned something in his article that I think is significant. Part of the OTC is the chase and getting to “yes”. That is part of the thrill for some folks. That isn’t part of going the escort route. I imagine some mongers very much enjoy the chase and other mongers probably see it as a lot of work and not enjoyable—they’d just like to book the sure thing. I think how one views this issue personally has a lot to do with whether one will be more satisfied with seeking an OTC experience or an escort experience.

In my 15 years as a hard core hobbyist, I used TBD and TER and in my area both were good. Part of my reason, though, to stop seeing escorts was when the TER community went to shit.

For those years, I saw escorts (and FBSM girls) cause I wanted sex and little to no emotional involvement. However, I did get to know a few well enough that we would go on regular dates with a 1hr sex session after and I only had to pay the 1hr sex price.

With proper research, I always felt very safe with the escorts I saw. We used to do M&G parties, so you could meet new girls face to face before making an appt. I have only seen 3 strippers OTC, so sample size is small versus escorts (had to be more than 100), but escorts were way more reliable when it came to keeping appts and being on time.

When I started playing around again after a break, I stumbled into my first possible OTC. That girl was the one who told me about SA and Follies (my go to for instant gratification BBBJ or CFS). This time around, I wanted more of a mistress type - one girl, very uninhibited sexually, good chemistry, spend more time together than just sex. Took 4 tries, but have a pretty good SB now.

One other comment I have about the otc v. escort type of thread. I know the question involves which does one prefer but why wouldn’t a p4p monger try both and decide what’s best for him or her (yes, Lopaw,that’s for you)? Either way you get pussy and then can make an informed decision rather than staying with one modality and wondering about alternatives.

I know many on here have tried both and the variations such as fbsm and SA. And I know some on here aren’t curious about what else is out there. But for those who are curious, these threads never seem to be a bunch of experienced mongers exchanging stories, at least not in the origin of the thread. They seem to be started by seekers who seem willing to pay for fun. It’s fine for the curious to ask for opinions but actual answers are always very individualized and are best arrived at by actual, personal experience.

I don't know what you're talking about @Huntsman. Just about everyone on this thread has experienced all the options. I know I have.

My summary

(backpage) < (AMPs) < (reviewed escorts) < (OTC strippers) < (College girls on SA) << (Being 25 again).

Unfortunately the last option isn't possible.

(backpage) < (AMPs) < (reviewed escorts) < (OTC strippers) < (College girls on SA) <( being 25 again)

shit the last less than didn't post:
(less than) (being 25 again)

TUSCL website strips off the last (less than) symbol to truncate posted links.

One last comment: there's absolutely nothing that compares to finding age-appropriate woman without paying for sex.

Random, Just about everyone on this thread has such experience but not necessarily everyone on tuscl, such as the op. If you had read my post more carefully, you would have noted that I said “many on here have tried both and the variations...”. I thought I was clear that I was making the point that the question is often asked by mongers who could easily find their own answers so I directed it toward the question being frequently asked by people who haven’t experienced both. At least that’s what I was trying to do, maybe I wasn’t clear.

Fortunately in this thread, people commenting are experienced in what they are talking about. But most of the time this thread comes up, some experienced guys chime in and a bunch of others jump in without having a basis to compare but opining anyway.

For what it’s worth, I think your greater than comparison is correct except that I would add one category of reviewed fbsm girls that go beyond fbsm. I’d rate that I tie with the OTC strippers assuming the fbsm girl is hot.

Dblednmike said: "If you’re looking for a real relationship with feelings and everything, save yourself a lot of time and just jump off the nearest bridge."

Funny, and solid advice.