I think this stripclub is trying to shake me down
I was in a strip club a couple of nights ago, ordered a bottle of champagne and attempted to get a private dance from the stripper. The charge for the dance didn't go through so I ended up leaving saying i'd be back the next day, I ultimately decided not to go.
I receive call the next day saying I owe the girl $450 when I never received a dance from her. They claim they have a video as well as witness, and that they have a signed receipt from me( which makes no sense because the charge has to run before you sign the receipt) and if I refuse to pay she'll take me to court. If they can prove in the video that I spent the time with the girl I'll gladly pay, but I feel like if I got to watch the video they'll take me to a back room with like 5 bouncers.
So if by chance i did black out, things still dont add up, they wont let you in the VIP room without paying first. And i did not drink the champagne, which is extremly unlikely if i was getting the private dance. The things they are saying just arent adding up in my head. But it doesnt make sense for them to go through all this trouble either if it didn't happen.
TLDR a stripper claims I had a dance with her I have no recollection of happening and is threanting taking me to court. Is this legit?
I receive call the next day saying I owe the girl $450 when I never received a dance from her. They claim they have a video as well as witness, and that they have a signed receipt from me( which makes no sense because the charge has to run before you sign the receipt) and if I refuse to pay she'll take me to court. If they can prove in the video that I spent the time with the girl I'll gladly pay, but I feel like if I got to watch the video they'll take me to a back room with like 5 bouncers.
So if by chance i did black out, things still dont add up, they wont let you in the VIP room without paying first. And i did not drink the champagne, which is extremly unlikely if i was getting the private dance. The things they are saying just arent adding up in my head. But it doesnt make sense for them to go through all this trouble either if it didn't happen.
TLDR a stripper claims I had a dance with her I have no recollection of happening and is threanting taking me to court. Is this legit?
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Sorry Bj99 but rule #1 is never pay for dances, VIPs upfront. House charges yes but not dancers.
Did you give the club your personal information?
If they opened a bottle - they will probably want payment for the full bottle. It might not be the dancer - but a club policy. Since you paid with a credit card - and also gave the club a form of id - they have enough to fraudulently push a charge through.
I’m thinking they bent the truth regarding having you on camera. If you were in the club - you were on camera. It doesn’t mean they have you on camera in the VIP room with a dancer.
If you were drunk, and beyond just buzzed, its possible you don’t remember. It’s not recommended to pay for drinks or VIP fees on a credit card - as it’s easy for this type of thing to happen.
So I’m guessing he tried to get vip - with a specific dancer. He saw that you had to purchase a bottle to get into vip. He gave the club his info - credit card and drivers license. Then the charge didn’t go through. He then left the club due to embarrassment. The dancer was pissed because she lost a sale - which is understandable. If the dancer called him and claimed he was on video with witnesses - I’d let it go - as she’s probably bluffing.
Trust me, i wasnt with her that long
I honestly dont know how they got it, its possible i gave it to the girl becuase she wanted to make sure i came back. Credit limit reached nothing can go through
However, the dancer might want the money. That’s very different than there being a legal method to get you to pay up.
If it was the dancer who called - and not the club management - that’s very different. The dancer might want the money - because she spent time anticipating a vip session. But she’s not entitled to it - since she didn’t perform in vip.
Anyway - it's rare the club comes for the $$$ after the fact - the case is usually the club charges the card then the customer has to fight to have it taken-off - if you didn't get the services then you have nothing ot pay for - if they say you did and have evidence they can easily email you the video w/o you having to go in the club (which I wouldn't do) - the only way they can "prove something" is them having video of you going into VIP then coming out 30-minutes later (the avg length of a VIP) thus extrapolating you did get something since you spent 30-minutes in VIP.
Stories like this are often hard to believe especially when the person "may not remember stuff" and it's someone new to the board.
Anyway - if it didn't happen, I wouldn't pay - and if they say they got evidence then I'd tell them to email it to me and based on that I would rethink the situation.
Excellent point! Sort of the purpose of TUSCL. isn't it?
First, to review the lessons learned:
1. Paying by credit card in the strip club, and getting so drunk that you may or may not have blacked out . I don't like blaming the victim, but there's such colossal bad choices being made, I kind of feel like $450 as a bad choices tax is getting off lightly. Hey, every one of us has done dumb things in strip clubs, just learn from it.
2. It shouldn't be that hard to write a clear, concise description of what actually happened. The fact that we're still taking guesses after multiple posts, means perhaps some work on communication skills is warranted.
3. There's some serious weirdness going on here, from a man just wanting to buy a bottle of champagne at the strip club "just because", to ... well, almost everything else.
Still, here's what I would do:
*** If I were absolutely certain I did not do that dance: simply cease communication with the stripper entirely (if it's in fact the stripper who has been doing the communicating. I dunno for sure.)
*** If there's any chance I did that dance, then I owe it to the stripper to find out for sure. Call the club, talk to the ***manager*** and no one else, get a copy of the signed visa bill for $450 plus at least a short clip of whatever video they claim to have. Pay the girl if you owe her. Cease communication if they have any excuse for not being able to come up with any evidence. Absolutely do not go to the club, smartest decision you made -- only thing waiting for you there is a beating
Ha ha, little bit of an understatement :) Well now that you got us all riled up, you'll have to tell us what happens. My guess is nothing, but stranger things have happened I suppose.
Could you clear up: who contacted you? Was it club management? The stripper? Someone else? If club management contacts you, you might ask for the proof (copy of the video, or a clip from it, of you getting a dance in the VIP).
There aren’t enough reasonable details to provide any understanding of what actually happened. I’d strongly advise to not pay more money to the club or dancer.
I don’t think the dancer has the evidence she says she has. I think it’s scare tactics - thinking the customer will pay because he was drunk and not in control.
I’d recommend both the customer and dancer let it drop. The customer should learn several lessons - not to get drunk in a club, not to use a credit card in a club, not to charge over his limit, etc. The dancer should learn to not try to squeeze a customer for more than he’s able to spend.
Anyhoo... just for grins I asked a good friend and fellow SCer who is a LEO what he thought. Right off the bat, he said it all sounds fishy. When strip clubs have payment problems, the manager handles it. They'll almost always call the cops right to the club; and if the incident was egregious enough, they might issue a petty larceny infraction on the spot. Even if the club messed that up and wanted to follow up with him the next day, he felt it is always the manager or some senior staff that runs this, not some random person from the club. Lastly, he said that even if they had a video and took him to court, he thinks it would not be a slam dunk -- the judge would have to be satisfied that they didn't completely take advantage of a drunk guy.
All in all, in no uncertain terms, he said do not return physically to the club, and if you do want to see if there's any evidence, ask them to send you the video -- we do have email, it's quite easy to get video clips without you having to go onsite physically. In all, he and I both feel that going back to the club -- meeting the manager in the lobby, whatever -- is as colossal a blunder as the initial using the credit card and getting blackout drunk, especially given the likelihood that this is a scam.
Those of you above: if your bullshit meter didn't go off, hearing that a random person from the club called him the next day, that might be cause for some re-calibrating. (and yes, I realize the whole story might be made up lol)
** "If they can prove in the video that I spent the time with the girl I'll gladly pay, but I feel like if I got to watch the video they'll take me to a back room with like 5 bouncers." **
Why would you need to watch a video to know if you spent time with the girl? But ok, assuming your later correction is correct and your memory is clear, you already know that you did not.
So no, you should not go back to the club to rehash this - there is no upside to it. Even if it was legit, it is doubtful that anyone is going to go through the time and expense of suing you over $450. But since it isn't legit, you already know that she has no basis for a suit and so does she.
You should assume that this is a scam. Some guys are skittish enough about their strip club activities becoming public that the threat of a public court document would, all by itself, be enough to get them to cough up the cash. If you went back to the club, you'd no doubt be treated to a dog and pony show which would likely involve a menacing bouncer, who no doubt would be getting a cut for his troubles.
Treat this as a lesson learned. Cash and carry is the only way to go if you want to keep control of your spending and maintain your anonymity.
I don't see him buying a bottle that odd - maybe he likes champagne or is a way to attract girls to his table.
So u took one girl to VIP and paid her, with the CC?
Then you tried taking a 2nd girl but didn't make it to the room b/c your CC didn't go thru?
As others have said, if they contact you again tell them to give you the so called evidence (email or uploading to the cloud) - stuff like this usually gets handled in the club at the time of the incident not via a ph call the next day - if there's follow thru then don't admit to being a heavy drinker and not remembering stuff - just state the facts as you know them.
Since it now seems possible that she did spend time with you without being compensated, my answer changes a bit...
If you don't expect to go back anytime soon, then fuck it. She's not going to sue you anyway and there is still a chance that she is lying to begin with.
However, if you have any plans on visiting that club in the near future, and especially if she is a regular dancer there, it might make a bit more sense to make the effort to sort things out. I agree with others who say that you shouldn't go their in person to deal with it, but they should be able to send you a video clip. If what she says is true, then maybe you come to a compromise that everyone can live with as I'm sure that you didn't get a full VIP session if your card was declined.
+1 on having them upload it to the cloud.
If only there were a way to arrange for founder to offer a free month for getting a strip club video put on Pornhub where the dancer jumps up leaving you nodding off alone in a champagne room with your dick out holding an empty bottle of champagne like it was an Indy 500 trophy.
I'd check my CC in case this is all true and they try to charge you as soon as the charge can go thru - IDK if there's a way to ask the CC company to not let them charge your card going forward, but if there is I'd do that for a little extra peace of mind.
@Fuckinhoesman: What do you lose by never going back there? Sounds like there’s plenty of other choices. Ignore them and move on. Worry about it when you hear from a lawyer or a court. Which won’t ever happen, in my opinion.
If the club is known to scam customers - it’s best to not use a card in the club - but this should help to keep you safe too.
Who knows when you will be in the clear? In many clubs, since many customers use cash, when you leave the club, you are usually in the clear. The longer you wait to change your card numbers - the longer it will be before you are in the clear.
I’m still unsure how they got your phone number, but if they have a copy of your card - and your drivers license - and phone number - they have enough to begin a lawsuit. It’s doubtful anyone would sue over $450. However, with lawyers getting involved, it can take awhile before they contact you.
If you get an invite to The People’s Court - I’d think twice about showing up...
Have you canceled your credit card yet? If not - that should be done.
Learn from this experience. There are many lessons here - don’t use a credit card, don’t give your contact info out, don’t drink champagne in a club!
What good would come from overpaying for a bottle of club champagne? It’s one of the big overpriced items in a club. It can get you drunk quickly. It doesn’t make you look like a big man. It makes you a mark for any ROB in the club.
1. Cancel credit card and have new one issued immediately.
2. Don't ever use cc or give contact info to SC ever.
3. Stop worrying about past situation. Burden of proof is completely on them. Fuck 'em.
4. Never get b/o drunk at a SC. If you can't control yourself, consider AA -- you have issues.