Another discussion about kissing
BurlingtonHoFactory
New Jersey, near the Shore
I was just reading a thread where TUSCLers were talking about kissing strippers, and the general consensus is that it's a bad idea and/or disgusting. This seems irrational. For the record, this was the thread I was reading: https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=5245…
I recently posted my opinions on this topic elsewhere, but it was in response to a much older thread so probably very few people noticed/gave a shit. This was the view I expressed in the earlier thread:
"... [S]ome guys expressed disgust at kissing a girl who probably kisses and/or blows lots of other guys. I understand that. But how is this any different than kissing just a regular slutty girl? Let's say you are in town on business and a hot slut comes on to you at a bar? She's a slut, not a whore, so no money is exchanged. Do you fuck her? While you're fucking her, are you gonna tell me that you're not going to kiss her at all? And how many guys do you think she's blown in her time? The only thing standing between you and all those other guys is some mouthwash. And strippers use mouthwash too. Any thoughts?"
For the record, this was the earlier thread from which the above quote was taken: https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=4811…
I recently posted my opinions on this topic elsewhere, but it was in response to a much older thread so probably very few people noticed/gave a shit. This was the view I expressed in the earlier thread:
"... [S]ome guys expressed disgust at kissing a girl who probably kisses and/or blows lots of other guys. I understand that. But how is this any different than kissing just a regular slutty girl? Let's say you are in town on business and a hot slut comes on to you at a bar? She's a slut, not a whore, so no money is exchanged. Do you fuck her? While you're fucking her, are you gonna tell me that you're not going to kiss her at all? And how many guys do you think she's blown in her time? The only thing standing between you and all those other guys is some mouthwash. And strippers use mouthwash too. Any thoughts?"
For the record, this was the earlier thread from which the above quote was taken: https://www.tuscl.net/?page=post&id=4811…
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I just don't see any real difference. But I assume most guys do. Is it because the slut is presumably brushing her teeth on most days? Well, you might be presuming too much. But okay, let's assume that the whore brushes her teeth after each BJ, too. Would that make any difference? Or is it because more time has passed between the slut's BJs, whereas the whore just blew 6 guys on their lunch breaks a half hour ago; and therefore, the slut's own saliva should work to clean out her mouth over time? Well, mouthwash seems to mimic and speed up that process. So as long as the whore is using some sort of dental hygiene, I just don't see much of a difference. I think this is more psychological rather than medical/physical.
Are you fine with gang bangs? Some people are. How about MMF threesomes? Again, some people are. One of the reasons, slutty girls are considered gross is because of the constant exchanging of body fluids with multiple partners sometimes at the same time. Even if they're not promiscuous, i don't want to hear or know about a stripper's boyfriend/husband. I'm of the philosophy that there can only be one dick in a room/VIP/lap dance area with a stripper for the fantasy to work. But a lot of people just don't care. Someone that cared would probably never step foot into a FKK club or even Hong Kong although many of the girls at Hong Kong supposedly don't kiss or provide real GFE. I'm even more in the dark regarding FKK clubs.
It seems you're trying to justify it b/c it's something u want/enjoy - many a dancer does not exercise good hygiene along with other poor decisions, particularly those that go around kissing random men thst pay her $$$ - bottom line is they're sex workers - it probably won't kill u to be kissing strippers so if u really enjoy it then it's a risk many r willing to tske
From your name and your posts I know you are very familiar with the playhouse. I won't say who but a particular dancer had just finished blowing first one friend then another. No cover, she swallowed. After coming out of the room from the second BJ I saw her DFK first one PL then another until she convinced the fourth or fifth guy to go for a private dance. Even If she didn't have a few of my friend's children swimming in her mouth she had some saliva and some germs for the previous few guys she had just kissed.
The odds are that some random slut hasn't blown several guys today and she probably hasn't kissed several more.
I just don't see this as either rocket science, or a one size fits all issue.
Kissing is part of the GFE, to me. And I think you're probably just as likely to catch something by receiving a BBBJ or performing DATY (which I know at least some of you guys do) as you are from DFKing. At least herpes, or maybe HPV. And don't forget, another guy just came in her mouth, and you're assuming that she didn't wash her mouth out, and now your dick is in her mouth together with the last guy's cum residue. Uh oh, sounds risky to me.
Maybe we should give up CFS, too, because condoms can break. I know this for a fact because it's happened to me before. So if we give up DFK, BBBJ, DATY, FS, etc., and we're down to just LDs we might as well all stay home and jerk it to porn (no offense, LDKing). Because the level of contact will be comparable at that point.
But you want proof that it's all just psychological? I can kiss a stripper who has had guys cumming in her mouth all day, but if I hear that she had a guy piss in her mouth (as in shadowcat's story from joc13's thread), I would never go near her again as long as I live, let alone kiss her. Or even her friends, probably. And we all know that piss is sterile. You can't catch anything from piss like you can from cum. But piss in the mouth is gross and unnatural. Cum in the mouth seems like it belongs there (if she's a slut/whore/slore). See? All in our heads, mine included.
I think dallas702's standard is basically the one I live with. Kiss her if she's hot, avoid her if you literally see cum dribbling down chin at that moment, don't do it if you're OCD, etc.
We don't know what these girls do in between dancers or between shifts - so it's pointless to keep wondering about it. You know there's a chance she swallowed a load before you kissed her - who knows what she did - so just enjoy your time with the dancer.
This post had no reference to kissing a stripper being akin to sucking dick or being dangerous.
Even if she hasnt done anything with anyone, by the end of the shift her breath will stink. They always think to wash their pussies but never their mouth before an otc session.
Personally speaking, I don't need to know anything about a girl to enjoy DFKing w/ her (it's a physical/sexual rush) - w.r.t. the logic above, then do you not enjoy porn b/c "you don't know anything about the porn actress" - jeez, this guy
Agreed. I read too much into your comments. My mistake.
BTW, bad breath and cigarette mouth are more of a worry/turn off to me than anything else (other than the piss)
There was another thread about favorites that didn't do extras. My favorites (the ones i eventually spend the bigger bucks on) tend not to do extras or very hesitantly, reluctantly or selectively do them only after a certain amount of trust AND money spent. Many of those girls do say that they don't do this with everyone or anyone else which could very well be SS, but these girls almost never push rooms and when i bring it up they say don't like doing them for various reasons (customers try to do more, make less per hour especially since customers aren't going to tip for the same thing as a regular dance). And there are a lot of extras girls that don't play the same way with everyone for whatever reason. Most TUSCLers will say that any type of FK or open mouthed kissing is quite rare except from maybe the dirtiest girls, but maybe there's something different about your situation. Not that i'm against having fun with an obvious extras girl (i like them quite a bit actually), i just take that in consideration and adjust accordingly (use more protection or act a little more conservative which seems counterintuitive), and i usually end up spending less money on them per session and long term.
All that being said, in my experience, kissing strippers on the mouth is much more of the exception and the opportunity usually doesn’t arise
"w.r.t. the logic above, then do you not enjoy porn b/c "you don't know anything about the porn actress" - jeez, this guy"
More power to you if you get GFE from watching porn?
My comment/logic referred to achieving GFE without knowing anything about her, not the enjoyment of DFK.
Jeez, this guy.
;-)
Top girl in club, solid 10 goes back with me with magnificent dd gummis. We have a great time, cfs and bbbj but she goes on stage in one song. I finish with russian and make a mess on those beauties. She quickly cleans up wiping on the curtain or whatever I pay her and she runs down to the stage. I suit up and take my seat at a table by the stage with my drink and chuckle when I see the PL shoving his face between her ya yas clearly kissing her tits still fresh with my splooge.
Think of that when you start sucking your dreamgirls tits or whatever...its just a dirty world out there and if your fantasy involves imagining she is snow white drenched in antiseptic sorry to bust that vision.
Is lfk "labia french kiss"?
I'll kiss a stripper or otc girl too - as it's not an issue with me. If there's still splooge on her chin - I'll decline and I will let her know that she needs to clean herself up before hitting up any pl's.
Some of us go to SCs because we enjoy it, not because we have no impulse control.
Some go for extras and OTC, some are happy with LDK or HM dances, some even like air dances (I think).
Some idiots make it rain while others are cheap bast Ardsley (guilty as charged)
Some want to date strippers, some aren't stupid.
With my current fave at my other club, I DFK with her on my last trip as I was her first customer of the night. I am also 99% sure she doesn't do BJ based on my experience and the experience of a couple other mongers who have danced with her on a regular basis.
BHF - I can say with confidence I would/will not date a stripper. Even my current fave who as you put it is "Hot as Balls". I have other things in my life which are more of priority than dating anyone stripper or civilian. I would be more than happy to have FWB arrangement with her. :-)
I was technically engaged to a stripper quite a long time ago. I think I read one fellow PL on this board mention that he had gone the next step and married one.
Autocorrect got me there.
I had an amazing ITC experience in the VIP recently and as we were giving each other a final hug she leaned up to kiss me and I pull her in and put my head on top of hers to avoid the kiss. I kinda felt bad as she was absolutely beautiful and amazing but I just can't do it.
That's very hurtful LOL. Okay, I stand corrected, I guess some guys just won't kiss dancers. I still maintain that it's just a psychological thing, but certainly I'm not immune to similar mental pitfalls. For example, I would never eat food that falls on the ground, even if I somehow knew with 100% certainty that the ground was totally sterile and that I wouldn't get sick. Also, I could never eat food that was laid out on a trash bag even if it's a clean bag fresh out of the box. And I never flush a public urinal, that's just gross. I also wash my hands immediately after shaking someone's hand. And I wash my hands immediately after petting a dog or cat. And yet somehow, I'll kiss a stripper. Go figure.