"AMPs" and "Lingerie Shows"

In the 1970's I read an article in Hustler, it said that in the P4P realm, being then escorts, street, and amps, that amps were usually the best value for the money.

Years later I would first try an amp. A young Vietnamese fashion plate gave me an HJ, without even asking for more money.

So I found that I could just advance on them in a civilian manner and usually get a mind blowing GFE-FS session.

So since our advertised strip clubs are still no touching, AMPs have been important.

Lingerie modelling can be just like an AMP, except the girl can dress for you. Done like that it can be the very greatest! We had one Vietnamese one. Did not last long. But it was phenomenal.

Strip clubs though, FS ones, can still be the best because you can engage with the girl front room, before committing to the back room. Get a front room makeout session going, and only after that is going well, and having given the girl some money, then you invite her to the back room.

Always want girls to dress sexy, dress for sex, and always want to be able to engage with them front room.

AMPs are good, but not the best. Lingerie modelling good, can be better than amps.

But anything goes strip clubs will be the best, front room makeout sessions and girls can dress for sex.

SJG

Haven't done either, but have friends who do AMPs. Neither massage parlors nor lingerie shows come close checking my boxes for an experience I would enjoy. In this area of the sex biz -- time-constrained experiences -- my only interest is FBSM, although I might lose interest even in that in areas where "bodyrubs" are done instead.

Even SA-based escort-ish experiences (I don't mean classic SBs, which are a different experience entirely) are better to me than escorts, AMPs, etc

I am not interested in AMPs. I don't care if they are reviewed on TUSCL.

I went to a couple lingerie shows many years ago. They were lame. I plan to concentrate on strip clubs.

It's been 50 years since I visited a massage parlor and I did manage to get 2 BJs before the place got busted and shut down. I have never been to lingerie studio. The reviews for them that I have read did not turn me on. They sounded either lame or rip offs.

Today I no interest in going to either so reviews of them would be wasted on me.

At its best, a lingerie show is just like an AMP, in that you get to be alone with the girl, but she is dressed to please. Then you just make it happen with her.

At the one we had, Vietnamese, the prices were the same as AMPs the girls were flattered when guys wanted to fuck them instead of just happy ending.

My girl said she liked to play with toys, as she was sitting on a chair with her legs spread wide, and me FOVing her by pulling the crotch part of her teddy askew, toys meaning dildos and such.

When it got to time for penetration she said, "I want to be on top." Very good at squatting down in her high heels, and making widely different contact angles. She came when I massaged the length of her spine. She said, "Where did you learn that?"

But then I had her on her back. She said she didn't kiss, but that lasted only about 5 seconds, and she was shoving her tongue into my mouth.

After she said, "Do you like me?" Meaning that she wanted me to take her home with me or start seeing her outside right away.

If I had not of been married, I'd of communicated such intentions to her early on.

SJG

But strip clubs have the potential for being better, because of low cost front room fraternizing. Get a makeout session going with her, then you invite her to the back room when it is time for your pants to come down.

The min standards for looks and dolling up are higher at strip clubs.

SJG

I've done it all, from seedy amps to high end massage parlors in Canada.

These type of reviews are usually found on more escort oriented sites than a strip club site.

The best are the full service "massage parlors" that have got Caucasian girls who dress like strippers as your hosts. I've been lucky enough to gain access to some of these places mostly in Texas and Arizona. Over the years it seems when one place opens up - it doesn't stay open for long before getting shut down. The ones in Canada are a lot more open in advertising the difference is only in Montreal (to my knowledge) can you openly get full service.

One setup I have read about is in Houston, on Telephone Rd. A bunch of Asian Hostess Bars. And then the back room operates just like an AMP, even with massage tables.

So you get like a lounge bar front room, and people have written that there can be front room GFE.

And then in the back room it will usually be FS.

So no, they are not quite dressed like strippers or lingerie models, but I am sure they are still dressed and painted up slutty.

Never heard of this anywhere except Houston, and the places are not listed on Rubmaps.

Down side is there is often a tobacco problem and the women are often just too old. But only way to really know is to be out there and find out for myself.

Such places would not last two days here.

In San Francisco they do a much higher percentage of AMP FS, because they have less fear of LE. So the women behave and dress more slutty, they are much more forward, and so they are much more accustomed to GFE being part of it.

SJG

Drink with her in the front, poker in the rear, would definitely be my thing.

So go to Houston. I would be trying to minimize the alcohol. But for them, it is real and they are accustomed to it. Girl might want some front room fraternizing tips, if you are extending the front room portion of it. I would certainly extend it and be happy to be handing my girl money.

I'm sure they are going to be in dresses instead of pants, and with high heels and makeup. They say these places are very dark. So the front room will hold lots of potential, before you invite your girl to the back room.

Some might be willing to dress for you, especially if you bring them something like garter belt and stockings. In AMPs, almost always girls have really liked this. Some have even dressed for me on their own, hearing from the other girls that I liked that, and gave good fuckings and treated them like GF's. But maybe you would like to do that with them in subsequent home visits.

In many ways it sounds like an ideal set up. Would never get away with such here.

The longer front room preliminaries can make all the difference

SJG

She's A Lady, the practical question about this is, will their mini dresses really cover the garter belts and thigh high stockings? And of course best to omit the bras and panties. youtube.com

"flaunt and take to dinner"?

I understand dinner. But flaunt in front of who, restaurant staff? That I don't get.

I have done AMP's. It is totally dependent on the location how good the experience will be. I've been to three locations in Arizona and two of them where meh and one was fantastic. I went there numerous times and know another person who drives a long way just to go there.

But I haven't gone there in a long time just because I can get the same "satisfaction" going to SC's here for the same price, if not less and build a rapport with the girl.

AMP's provide a quick massage (usually not very good) and you have "X" amount of time to finish your business. It is a "sure" thing which you might not always have in the SC. But I have found I prefer SC's. AMP's might work better for the PL who can't hold a conversation or is too shy around girls to have game in an SC.

Years ago there was a place in Philadelphia by the name of Callow Hill named after a neighborhood in the city and know by the guys that visited there on a regular basis simply as the Hill.

Once it shut down I never found another one that came close to the level of beautiful women and I mean drop dead beautiful in some cases, or the level of service and I gave up trying to at least on the East Coast and the Midwest/Southwest.

If you drink scotch once you've tasted Oban 18 no one settles for Dewars regular label.

I tried AMPs a couple of times and a modeling studio once, early on in my professional monger career 15+ years ago.

I found them too transactional (wam bam thank you sir) and kinda a cold and impersonal experience; also didn't find I got good value for the $$$ and I assume the house gets a good chunk of the $$$ - and IME most of my interactions the girls didn't seem to wanna be there.

Strip clubs are the only sex biz that hold my PL-attention - I love women and I love variety and like to be in a SC and look at all the options and feel I can get w/ any dancer unless Subraman is there.

I don't mind at all them being listed on TUSCL and would actually prefer it in case there are some that are worth it (knowledge is PL-power) .

Similar to shailynn's Canada experience, I've known guys that have mongered overseas and they'd tell me the overseas places put the US places to shame

I have never been to any sexually oriented business besides a strip club. But I have read some of what the sleepy time rapist and others have said about AMPs and the like, and I don't get the attraction. But I've had lots of massages and the like on otc dates. Those encounters, especially with the DSes, seem like they were a 1000 times more intense and satisfying than anything that could be done in an AMP.

^^^ Even then, you don't have to worry, I'm all about the narrow-assed mini-tittied skinny bitches.

The funny thing about this conversation is how, on monger forums, the escort and AMP guys think we are absolute morons for paying what we do, for what we get for it, in a strip club where "privacy" consists of a curtain and a bouncer's goodwill. To me, I'm with Warrenboy, we're sipping on Oban 18 and they're drinking Dewars and telling us we're idiots for not drinking it, too. If strip clubs disappeared tomorrow, I would not be doing escort or AMPs, I dislike the entire experience; I'd continue doing my occasional FBSM but double-down on SA

Not really my thing, but while back I went to a lingerie place in San Diego for a change of pace. Went for a round with a surprisingly attractive blonde who just happened to be a minor porn star. This was a later vintage in her career, and she was actually prettier and more toned in person than in most of her movies (yes, that can happen).

She gave me her name and number as we were wrapping up and said she was online. After looking her up that night I realized she was in porn. We've all seen those movies where after the big reveal everything you experienced in the film suddenly made sense. It was kinda like that. That was unfortunately my last day in town so we didn't get a chance to reconnect OTC.

I shudder to think what might have happened.

had a great time at one, good time at another, meh time at a few more. and a couple of other amp were very good genuine massages... but no extras. in general most of the asian girls did a good job. the other girls not so good in the massage part.

never tried a lingerie show. maybe someday.

Not big on asian girls but hit up an amp occasionally just for variety...dont usually do FS.

^ stings areca factor though which is deterrent. Raids are regular

It sounds like there is a lot of variability in the AMP experience across different regions of the country. In Michigan, I've had pretty good experiences at AMPs. They typically provide an enjoyable table shower, decent massage, and a range of condom-protected services, with the exception of Greek. The only downside is that the AMPs that I've visited often have only two "girls" working so you don't get much of a choice.
I would be pleased to see the addition of spa reviews on TUSCL. I've never ponied up the money to register for the spa review sites, such as rubmaps.

Back in the 90s I could get a HJ/TF for under $80 in the various lingerie modeling places. Problem was there weren't many good looking girls and the turnover was crazy. Could get maybe 2 or 3 good sessions and then girl would disappear.

I really enjoy massage sessions. I like the Asian places because of the table showers and can usually get a good massage, but Asian women don't turn me on (especially when they have bad boob jobs) and the language barrier is a turn off. So I go for a good massage, and take a HJ as a bonus.

Atlanta has a long history and wide variety of FBSM places. These are different from the AMPs since they tend to have better looking non-Asian women and more focus on the sex instead of the massage. My best UTR partner was someone I met through one of these places. Lasted about two years. I have found one now that I've seen several times that gives true meaning to the Sensual in FBSM and is pretty good at the massage part, too. Will be interesting to see how long she hangs around. Less than 200 gets me a session I'm happy with. I paid for the "upgraded" session once and got a CBJ that actually made me pop. Rare, but it makes a difference when the girl is smoking hot.

The strippers I've met and exchanged numbers with are so damn flaky ITC I can't imagine trying to set something up and expect them to follow through with it OTC. Although there was one who was interested in traveling with me on business trips, but guess what? She flaked and disappeared before ever finalizing plans on one. I have a CF in Atlanta now that I have a nice time with ITC (when I can get her; too flaky for appts) for under 200. Smoking hot, nice to talk to (before and after).

Escorts. Seen plenty, some were well worth it. Some wasted time and money. Good ones are reliable, but their schedule is even more full than mine. I always hated having to make an appt days or even weeks in advance. "I'm horny now, not a week from now."

I started dabbling in SA. I don't have the kind of outrageous extra cash to wow a hottie with money, or good looks to make a girl feel like she's playing above her league, so it takes some effort to find suitable partners. Have found a couple that have been interesting and fulfilling, but flakiness is just as bad (if not worse) than with strippers.

So, to wrap up . . . With so many options, why bother with AMPs or lingerie shops? Both are options where you can get some attention "right the fuck now!". No waiting, no "front room wooing", no making an appt a week in advance. The FBSM places we have in Atlanta are a close second, since you can usually get in within an hour if you're not too picky about who you see.

Everything else takes time and effort and good luck that her car doesn't break down, period doesn't start, best friend doesn't get dumped by friend, power doesn't get turned off, cat doesn't die, kid sitter or dog sitter doesn't cancel at last minute, etc, fucking etc

The "golden age" for escorts has come and gone. ( and yes this is my opinion and we all know what opinions are worth)

It started in the mid 90's and started to decline in 2005.

From my experience and again this is one man's own journey places such as Miami, NYC, DC, and Tampa had the hottest women and if you were a decent guy some of the women were more than happy to charge you an hour and stay the night.

My own transition was from the first go around visiting strip clubs and being bored or constantly being the guy talking other guys out of getting tossed for being jerks to agency escorts, to independents ( there is a difference that has not been discussed or made) to a break from doing much of anything to SA mostly done because my area of travel changed and I found the escorts simply do not be what I wanted or was even interested in, only to find some of the SA girls I was meeting were strippers.

I've never stopped seeing civi's but I would say today in 2017, in the places I play, SA and strippers are the better choices than AMP's, agencies, or independent escorts.

-->"I started dabbling in SA. I don't have the kind of outrageous extra cash to wow a hottie with money, or good looks to make a girl feel like she's playing above her league, so it takes some effort to find suitable partners. Have found a couple that have been interesting and fulfilling, but flakiness is just as bad (if not worse) than with strippers."

Agree on the flakiness ... although thankfully, a lot of the flakiness happens before the meeting, during email exchanges. And, interesting to note that the number of strippers and ex-strippers I've run into on SA is VERY high, which isn't always apparent since they rarely self-identify as such ... but don't be surprised when SBs act like strippers, there's a very good reason for it.

I have some interesting (I hope) insights around this, that I'm going to throw out as an article when I get around to writing it

The other thing I'll mention is that, based on the SD forum I'm on, those of us looking to spend, say, under $2000/month on a SB, are having a completely different experience than those looking to spend $3500-$5000, which seems to be pretty common, if you take into account both the allowance these guys are paying, plus the cost of everything else (dinner, travels, opera tickets, etc.). Literally, all of us in the sub-$2000 levels have practically identical stories about crazy flake rates, where the $5000 guys do not.

Subraman--from your club reviews would it be fair to say you are on the left coast?

What I have found over on the East Coast and in the Midwest is half the time if you click and look at a girl they will click and look at your profile on SA. For obvious reasons mine doesn't have a picture but I hope what I have in my profile is enough to get a like, and sometimes even a message.

But no matter what if I get a reaction my next goal is to not go back and forth 20 times with messages. I want to meet. Her choice of place --coffee for a lunch meeting, a drink for anything after 6 PM.

A significant amount of meetings and depending on the situation once you find out her logic of how she set her price agree to a lesser amount. I'm not talking about low balling or trying to negotiate price but if someone in the 5 K range is looking to meet 3 times a week and I am only in town one week am I not meeting her price expectations?

The other thing I have found interesting is most of the strippers I have found on SA are the ones priced in the above 5 K range ( Substantial or High) yet from what I read on here the going rate seems to be under $ 400. What I take away from the difference is what I think many of us feel --women will ask for the moon but if you present yourself and your offer in a fair and logical manner they really are looking for less

I am actually fine going back and forth 20 times ... but early on, I figured out the girls hate it, and that either you drive to meet quickly, or they'll disappear on you. No dilly dallying, get her comfortable fast and meet. I won't do coffee meetings, but drinks and/or dinner any time of day works for me.

Regarding strippers, they seem to be all Negotiable or Substantial/High. But it's just stripper posturing. One of the things the experienced SDs told me, and I quickly saw they were right, is not to avoid the Substantial girls, many of them can be talked down. I recently talked a VERY hot stripper, a Substantial girl, into accepting my offer of "$300-$350 per meeting, and we can talk about monthly allowance down the line". She didn't even specify "Okay, but it has to be $350", just accepted 300-350 from me, and we moved on. I've gotten two substantial girls, a stripper and ex-stripper it turns out, down to <$400 per meet...

.... down to under 400 per meeting

The girls I know in the 4K plus per month arrangements are truly more exclusive to that arrangement (besides their regular boyfriend/husband). I don't think the ones I know would do 400, but I'm sure there are girls who adjust in order to meet their income requirement.

AMP experiences do vary widely. Best is when there are lots of shops in competition and little LE pressure.

Find a girl you like. The minimum looks and dolling up standard is much lower than for strip clubs. The more you can talk to your girl the better, and the more she feels you espeically selected her the better. The more slutty they dress and behave, then the more accustomed to GFE and FS they are going to be.

Best if you talk to your girl, just like you would to any other girl, and get her into DFKing mode as soon as possible. Best to engage with her standing up, and then with her sitting on your lap. No need to use massage table, except for DATY, BJ, and FS.

If you really hit it off with a girl, it will be mind blowing, good as you will find anywhere.

Lingerie modelling can be mostly the same, only better, because the girl is dressing for you and she will more likely be accustomed to GFE-FS.

Strip clubs have the potential to be even better, as there is more opportunity for front room fraternizing, going to makeout sessions, before inviting your girl to the back room.

But all of these venues, you only need to use them once, or twice at the most, then you should be able to get your girl into your own bed. No substitute for being at home or in a motel with a girl you really get along with.

SJG

-->" I don't think the ones I know would do 400, but I'm sure there are girls who adjust in order to meet their income requirement."

Yeah, for 400 or less a meeting, it's definitely not exclusive. One thing I tell strippers about prices: just like we as customers never really know how exclusive our stripper is, you as a stripper's friend never really know what price she'll go down to or what act she'll do ... strippers lie to each other all the time, I don't know how many times I've heard things like "Porsche would NEVER do BJs in the club!" and meanwhile she BJed me just last week.

But, it's definitely true that there's plenty of girls who say substantial really mean it. I've definitely had girls say "no" to even 500/meet, and simply disappear.

It's always possible, but I still think the higher amt really does get you more exclusively. Not necessarily bc she is loyal to her customer, but bc it's less work.

Oh yes, absolutely agree, the higher amount does buy more exclusivity ... which apparently is an actual thing in SD/SB, whereas exclusivity is always an illusion at the strip club :) Plus, a guy spending $5000/month is going to want a decent chunk of time, hard to imagine she's even got time to do much else, assuming she's also working or going to school

I doubt a SB getting $5k/wk is gonna have a 9-to-5 job - her SBing is her job

Papi: The $5k was per month. Apparently that $3500-$5000 per month range gets you some nice things, and there's a decent number of guys spending that much (although that COUNTS both her allowance and dinners/travel/etc). I'm just not interested in spending that much. I doubt there are many $5k/week guys around, that's the unicorn all the SBs are looking for :)

.. to finish elaborating, the $300-$350 I mentioned was PER MEET. Most "classic" SBs want a monthly allowance, but many will start with per-meeting until you both decide you want to make this longer-term; many of the new-style SBs are find just going per-meeting forever, and of course the many girls there who aren't SBs at all but escorts who are just advertising on SB, all charge per-meeting.

I thought I had a decent SB just now who wanted a steady $300/wk and promised at least one visit per week and would let me come to her place. But damn, the flakiness kicked in and dates would get cancelled, she started telling me about her dating problems (why the fuck do I want to hear about a guy who might be getting it for free), etc. So, I proposed we switch to per visit and I don't think she took it well. I think the prospects of her inviting me over again (which I'll do if she asks) depend on how quickly she finds someone willing to put up with her SBS.

I visited a full service amp by accident. Since I knew a lot of amp were on BP and many of them didn't do full service (or even a bj) so I was looking for a legitimate inexpensive massage. Turns out the massage parlor I chose demanded some sort of service or nothing at all. It was so jarring, I wasn't sure what to do but since I really wanted a massage, I decided to go with the covered bj since I was already there since I was not trying to ruin my p4p virginity no matter how fine and to my taste the woman was (she was gorgeous). It was the theother reason I stayed. Hi was ok but better than expected for a Korean.