Ethics of getting high

4got: "Second, it pumps money into the hands of criminals."

If they legalized it then it would pump money into the hands of corporations. But I guess those far enough out on the left would say same diff. :-)

I think it's a no brainer that marijuana should be legalized and will be first too. After that probably MDMA will be next.

Legalization is a good idea as smokers are not criminals (usually) except for having pot, but in my view it's a huge fraud. They tax it so much that the street price is way less. When I hear the prices people pay in CO I have to shake my head.

IL only has medical pot; another fraud since no one can get a card unless you have terminal cancer. If we ever legalize recreational use, I'm likely still buying it from my usual source. I get top quality and it's not that expensive.

The prices I've paid in the Detroit dispensaries were on par with street prices, some even lower as with street prices the dealers feel they can overprice their weed and try to get naive suburbanites to bite.

Either way I have a weed guy willing to drive 35mins out to the burbs for as low as a 20 bag, so I mostly stick with him.

As far of the ethics of weed, its many benefits outweigh any cons, it should be legalized, and it was only made illegal due to outrageous propaganda pioneered by Harry J Anslinger who printed and stated alternative facts such as:

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others."

Yes, he said that. He also said:

"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."

As well as, "smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."

That gives you an idea of why it was outlawed and why it shouldn't be. Seriously. Marijuana saves lives and not one person has ever OD'ed and/or died directly from smoking weed; there are, however, thousands upon thousands of deaths each year from common otc painkillers like Tylenol and aspirin. And that's not even comparable to the prescription opiate medications, handed out by doctors, which are basically heroin in pill form, or the fact that cigarettes and alcohol are way more dangerous yet legal.

So that's my opinion on the ethics of weed.

I'm on the legalize-it train.

One interesting thing to note, I saw a headline -- can't remember where -- that a study had been done (by whom? how? I dunno) that examined the effects of the more common drugs beyond marijuana, and 'shrooms turned up as "least dangerous" by far, on a number of measures, including "what percentage of users end up in the hospital". Since the popular press is often wrong in their interpretation of scientific papers, and I haven't followed up on that story, I have no idea if that's "fake news" or not, but thought it was interesting.

Shrooms are relatively harmless and the people who end up in the hospital are probably just freaking out over a bad trip.

I did shrooms several times and it was my drug of choice. But I can't understand how they're not dangerous (outside of you can't OD on them). I had some pretty intense trips on them and it would be a lot more dangerous trying to drive on them than being high on pot. Of course, the same can be said of alcohol!

This is calling the kettle black. You pump money into prostitutes (strippers who let you pay to fuck them are prostitutes. No two ways about it) which is illegal and more damaging for the man vs the woman if caught. And we all know how many times danger has lurked its head because of escorts in and out of the club.

I don't think weed should be legalized outside of severe medical conditions. Not because I think it's evil but because dealers make more money selling weed illegally vs legally. You gotta pay taxes for having a legit business. My reasoning is purely selfish I know, but your less likely to go to jail for weed vs cocaine/crack so yeah.

Legalized it. Tax the shit out of it like they do alcohol and cigarettes. People who smoke it will gladly pay for it just like the people do for the sin taxes on alcohol and cigarettes.

Use the money raised on sales of it to fix the nations crumbling infrastructure. Or maybe even build a wall... lol!

It has been known to lower dancer inhibitions. What other reason do you need to legalize it?

My weed history: Smoked it for the first time in 1969. Tried to start smoking daily in 1973, but supply was an issue back then so there were gaps off and on until 1989. Since 1989 I have had a bag of weed, if not more at all times. I haven't flown on a plane without it since 1982 and except for possibly 3-5 months since 1989 have smoked it daily. I drive high. I love it. I love it more than skiing; more than sex; more than food. Even if legalized ( I have a medical marijuana card...unused), I would still buy from my supplier, because his product is the best. Gorilla Glue is my mellow weed right now, Ghost Train is my fucking crazy weed (Try and find it .. you can't anywhere) and we have samples of others as well. I see zero medicinal value in it, or the same medicinal value as alcohol. Yup, I drive stoned. Not more than 1 million miles or so though. I am a criminal, without a portfolio.

I myself don't use it at all for a number of reasons, primarily because it would be hypocritical of me to imbibe, when in my business and through-out my industry, if you test positive you are usually fired no leniency allowed in my insurance policies. My personal feeling is legalize it why ruin the lives of young people or any age people that aren't hurting anyone. There are laws on the books about driving or doing certain things, while impaired, they should be sufficient to counter any argument against my last statement.

As an aside note to skidum. I don't know anything about your won lost record in your practice but posts like yours in my oplnion will leave you open to malpractice claims.

The arguments for legalizing weed are compelling. But the bottom line for me is that it is much safer than alcohol, and as long as we let adults drink alcohol, in fairness those who prefer weed should be allowed their fun too. But for now I just ignore the fucking law and get high pretty much every evening. And it is a tremendous addition to a strip club visit, particular an extras visit.

I never get weed from dealers. This is partially because all of the dealers I've ever been involved with were thugs who looked like they'd just as soon shot me as look at me. But it's also because I do almost exclusively edibles, and I've never known a dealer from whom you could get reliable quality edibles that look like ordinary food and can be easily hidden.

Depending upon how high you are, marijuana can impair driving. But unless you are stoned out of your fucking mind, it's not a significant impairment. In fact, weed makes you drive slowly and carefully and I honestly believe that I drive more safely under a moderate high than I otherwise would. A high driver may miss his turns or hold up traffic, but it is nothing even remotely like the severe impairment caused by alcohol. Nevertheless, I don't drive high except I will drive high in the neighborhood late at night after leaving a friends house. But I don't avoid driving high because I'm afraid of the impairment, it's because I don't need the hassle of a dui arrest.

Marijuana, alcohol, tobacco, other drugs, are all the complete opposite of the way I want to live.

I am right now involved in fierce political battles, trying to take people down. And this kind of stuff will be going on for my entire life, activist / investigative journalist.

Trying to make sure a Pentecostal Daughter Molester does not get out under bullshit appeal.

Continually working to educate myself so that I bring more depth of understanding and self-awareness to situations.

SJG

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I don't know about the rest of you, but I sleep a lot more soundly at night knowing that Pentecostal daughter molesters are being kept behind bars. We should do the same with sleepy time rapists.

The argument I made was that survivors are not going to come forward unless they know they will be believed. The mother is still telling their church members that the girls lied. And this is preposterous, because I sat in the court room and listened to them myself.

In that church, almost everyone has at least one scapegoat child. Talking about that is how one gains status in their church,

In his sermons, their Pastor encourages this view, "When you child turns away from the God you worship."

So the guy I helped put into San Quentin is not a sole actor, he is part of a criminal child abuse movement. And they run an outreach ministry, where they reach out to the scapegoats of other families, being the poor and the homeless, and they give them food and they tell them what amounts to, "Jesus has so much pity for you that he wants to give you a second chance. All he asks in return is that you admit that it is your fault for screwing up your first chance."

I believe that it is at least in part due to my agitation and admonishing City officials that the 1st Amendment does not make religion above the law, quite the opposite, that they have finally gotten this group off of public property and that they seem to have canceled their outreach ministry.

I see that as a huge accomplishment too!

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If these three girls had listened to their church and acted like nothing had happened, then with failing marriages, failing attempts to get an education and to build a carreer, then they too could have become the clients for that church's outreach ministry.

All of this has been explained to the DA, Police, and City Officials on countless occasions.

SJG

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Most peoples' character changes when under the influence, which either consciously or subconsciously I assume is the reason, or part of the reason, for doing it.

I've gotten drunk a handful of times in my life but never done an illegal drug nor do I like hanging w/ those into it and into getting high - it's their right and I respect it but I don't find anything appealing/attractive about it and actually find it gross.

IDK much about Marijuana nor have looked into its benefits from credible sources - if it does have medicinal benefits other than just getting high, then def I'm all for it.

Although I've never used any illegal drugs, I'm actually for legalizing all drugs - keeping them illegal does not look like it keeps people from using it; not making it legal will make people wanna use it; IMO.

All the $$$ saved from the "war on drugs" can be used for education and treatment.

"... not making it legal will make people wanna use it ..."

not = nor

I agree with everybody that has advocated legalization. Although I don't use personally and think that drugs are generally a non-brilliant idea I think the costs of making marijuana illegal exceeds any benefits.

I also agree that marijuana is probably not as damaging as alcohol (if alcohol is abused).

But my real issue was about the ethics of supporting, even in a small way, the people that produce and distribute drugs in the current environment. In fact, I think on of the best arguments for legalization is to shift production from violent criminals to corporations.

And for Dougster, I'm not lumping corporations in with criminals. Personally, I think it would be aces if the marijuana market was dominated by smaller and local companies. I prefer to support local companies if all else is equal. But I don't care how big a corporation is as long as they don't have a "murder division" like the drug cartels!

My personal ethics on it are that I agreed, when hiring on with my employer, that a positive drug test would terminate my employment. I hold to that agreement. It helps that I've never been a serious drug user, don't much care for pot, and a 12-pack of beer lasts me two weeks. My home state has a medical marijuana card available to "sufferers" of various conditions, but most of those conditions are tough to prove. Accordingly, employers still have the right to fire an employee who tests positive for pot.

In regards to "legalize it, tax the hell out of it", that only works until people find a lower-taxed source for their pot, tobacco, or soda pop. Then the source gets all that money, and the tax money dries up for the "tax the hell out of it" crowd.

I'd legalize it for home use but not while driving if studies show it impairs driving. I'd also legalize prostitution and then tax everything but have required education on possible side effects. I thought I heard of one study that said there was a permanent decrease in blood flow to the brain after using pot. That might be a plus if you're trying to get a stripper to agree with you, less brain power. I didn't research anything related to the study I heard about since I'm not planning on using any drugs.

In my opinion, the government restricts too much. In the future, it wouldn't surprise me if we hear they can't build a highway because there is an endangered species of ant with an ant hill habitat where the highway needs to go.