First good lap dance

damn man. blue ball especial. i envy you.

Forgot to mention that I'm Canadian and have been going to strip clubs since I'm 19.

Welcome to TUSCL. You sound like me when I was first started. 99% of the time the dancers are just about the money, but being that you're pretty young and that she did all that in one song, there is a slim chance she might be into you. If you spend too much on her, she'll just look at you as a ATM customer. Maybe get a couple dances with her, tip her on stage, buy her a drink, and talk to her like a civilian and see where it goes.

Hi is that you in your avatar. If so I can say with no sarcasm that at the very least she was into you. Not sure if the kissing thing was in your head or not but she was definitely enjoying her time with you even if it was paid. You were probably a real breathe of fresh air to her compared to a lot of old dudes.

Yeah that's me in the pic. I feel like this isn't going to go anywhere because I'm on a college budget hahah I wouldn't spend any more than 100$ on her. So she's going to notice that I'm broke ass and she'll probably move on. Can you actually talk to strippers like normal people? In my experience, they just pressure you to get a dance all the time.

depends on the girl. butt don't be surprised that it is all about the money.

Yes you fucked up an opportunity to spend more moneynon her, which was her goal.

Great we got another guy who is over 20 and still a virgin.

I'm not still a virgin, I've had sex plenty of times. I've just only been with 2 girls.

Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely, unless you're really suave, it's a long shot and low probability. It depends on the woman. Now you also must remember thata lot of these women ESPECIALLY today, want an already made man. You gotta find the one that's willing to wait while you finish college and get a job, etc. That means she must be willing to spend her own money on herself (crazy I know -_-). And we all know hoes don't even like paying for their own dinner much less go Dutch or buy their own shoes. Just something to think about. But your a handsome dude so you'll get more mileage than most these old geezers (I'm not one of them).

@Shailynn what's wrong with being young and a virgin?

^^^ everything.

If you don't have money stay out of strip clubs. It doesn't matter. It revolves around money. Cash is king. The amount of fun correlates to the amount of cash. This is a 'luxury'. Chances are you'll blow money you can't afford and be disappointed. If you don't have the money then don't go.

^^^ George makes an excellent point and since you're young, take advantage of it and chase the girls at school or local girls (we call em "civvies" as in civilians - non-strippers around here).

Wait until you're older or married to blow money on strippers.

i was 29 before i lost my cherry to my soon to be wife. if i were given the impossible opportunity to do it over i'd be the biggest slut ever.

and shailynn has it right. take advantage of your free options especially at college. damn. i envy you.

Thing is I know that I'd never be able to pick up a 9 in the real world. That's still an experience I want, and I thought I had a shot at that with this stripper.

and also george. high fives!

nines are nice. butt at your age just enjoy the girls that are attractive. have a good time with the opportunities that you have at your young age.

I live in a northern Canadian city. The colleges up here aren't like the ones in the states. There are no frats, girls don't come by the bucket loads to get wasted and bang at parties. Besides, most of them are about 6-7s and are still extremely hard to pick up because of the small town mentality. Strippers up here come from much bigger cities.

Hell, 3s and 4s can be fun too.

You learn how to engage with women, you can usually do whatever you want. In this case, she was giving you very little alternative but to kiss her.

SJG

Strip-clubs are bizarro world; they are not reality - read the following newbie thread that had some good feedback in it:

tuscl.net

The stripper is just a female. Nothing more. Not a goddess. Quite the opposite.

If you think you couldn't "get her" out of the club as a civilian, you're not going to "get her" in the club. You are a cash register to be rung. She is selling a fantasy, which you are free to purchase for short periods of time.

My advice -- club when you are bored with internet porn. Do not obsess over this or any other stripper. Focus on connecting with females wherever you happen to be and treat them all like queens -- the one that treats you like a king in return is your keeper.

I'd stay away. It sounds like you had a fantastic time but are smitten, and that's a recipient for disaster with a stripper.

If you think you can hold it together, go back by yourself the same time of week. She is likely to be there, most girls work a regular schedule. Although many do love to give themselves the day off. She's likely to at least give you the same experience.

As for the kissing, if her mouth is close like that you can lean forward and put your mouth on hers. Either she will kiss you or pull away. Question answered.

Some strippers do fuck customers, but it's rare. I would not go in expecting it.

"If you think you couldn't "get her" out of the club as a civilian, you're not going to "get her" in the club. You are a cash register to be rung."

I agree fully with that statement. But I am not sure that I am taking it the same way its author is.

I say, always always always treat all women as civilians. Never talk to them like you think they sell sex or sex acts, or can be persuaded to do things by money.

Money is just a show of respect, like saying to her, "Until you are my wife I want to make sure that your rent is getting paid."

So if you and she click, that will be obvious in the front room. Best is a full on makeout session. Save booths and back rooms until needed. Usually this is when your pants are to come down.

You can be feeding her money, but again that is just a show of respects for that fact that this is how she pays her bills. It really is not a P4P situation.

And then once you have engaged with her like that, expect that you will soon be waking up with her in the mornings, like maybe starting the next morning.

On the other hand, if the girls does not like you, thinks she is better than you, you want to surface that as soon as possible and disengage with her.

SJG

Debussy, Taiwan Symphony youtube.com

"... Some strippers do fuck customers, but it's rare. I would not go in expecting it ..."

in the context of it being free - many strippers fuck custies for $$$ all the time though (trying not to confuse the newbie)

A simple rule-of-thumb;

If you gotta ask what to do w/ a stripper; then you are not ready to be w/ one

I think it depends on the club and the metro. JamesSD is in an area known for low mileage, though not as low as where I am. But even so, an adequate supply of girls trying to set up OTC.

It is also the times. I think what it comes down to is cell phones and caller id. Women used to be much more careful with phone numbers. So mostly strip clubs were just an ITC experience.

But now, women being very loose with phone numbers, once you have hers she is potentially what ever you want her to be. So at least in some quarters, like out underground Mexican Bar circuit, OTC is just about universal.

If it is what you want, it is not for me, but if you are straight with her and willing to get involved with her, she can be gotten off of the clock.

But then how free is free, and remember that you are speaking to someone who went through a long and very difficult marriage.

I will just add that in the organization I am working to build, things will be very different, separating from the Marriage - Prostitution System, though the women are very well taken care of long term.

SJG

Other than AMPs, my first real impression of girls who deliver was with these ones coming out of the underground table dancing circuit. I call this group, "Beloved Latina Escorts".

They just make a guy feel like a king. And they are able to do this because they are open and non-judgmental.

They do this for so many guys too.

So there really shouldn't by anything especially broken about strippers. There is not anything wrong about giving guys what they want, or about earning a living that way.

That they session with guys who look down upon them, that obviously is going to take an emotional toll.

But as I have seen, in the Mexican culture, prostitution is more gentile.

So though it may or may not be like this in other venues, I think that when we partake, we should bring our best selves to it.

I always treat all women completely like civilians, and in all situations.

SJG

Ya DrakeReinz you don't want to end up like Che do you ??? If you play your cards right though this girl could turn into true GFE material. Read my posts and learn what GFE is all about ! Enjoy !!!

I'm getting so many different opinions here haha. Some people are saying this girl was into me, some people are saying she's just after my non-existant cash, some people are saying to never go to a strip club again, some people are saying to act aloof and if it happens it happens but don't chase it. I wouldn't be able to date a girl that I found out was a stripper later. But I'd be able to date a stripper if I knew that off the top. I just wouldn't get too involved, no family, just company and sex. If she was looking for company and sex outside of her work then I'd be down for that.

There are different schools of thought on this board.

In my opinion most of the people here have no idea what they are doing, letting girls wrap them around their fingers and ring them like a cash register.

Listen to Jestrite50, he is the master womanizer. This girl you have meet, she could end up being your regular bed partner, if that is what you want.

But you have to learn to see that letting girls sell you dances is the chumps way.

SJG

Alright Jestrite, can you post up a link here for me to learn from? I want her to know that my intentions aren't to spend all my cash on her, and that I want to give her as much of a good time as she gave me. I thought strippers had a code though, to not date anyone they find inside the club? Is this not the case with young people like me? I know where to draw the line and I won't get too involved with her, but damn she blew my mind like no other girl ever could. Should I go back this weekend? Beginning or end of shift? I don't know how to play this game.

No one can predict w/ 100% certainty how getting involved w/ a stripper will turn-out - IME more often than not it isn't like a typical civvy relationship b/c strip-clubs are not typical of real-life for the most-part - in the end all you can do is take the info given as FYI and try-it for yourself and see how it goes - at least you are not going-in blind and have some awareness of the potential pitfalls.

You can also Google "dating a stripper' and get a non-TUSCL opinion(s).

Not to date anyone they met inside the club?

Hey, you're supposed to be at least 18yo before they let you into a strip club.

Did your mom write you a special permission note?

SJG

"GFE" is indeed prostitution terminology.

But people still use it other ways, like with women they see regularly, what in other countries would be called "mistresses".

Drake, if you want to civilianize this girl, or make her into a kind of a mistress, go for it. Totally up to you. But most women who are bought and paid for from strip clubs will always be using you like an ATM machine.

Really it is between you and she, and most of all whether or not you are treating her as anything less than other women.

Good Luck, SJG

DrakeReinz,
I don't have any links to send you to but if you go to my profile page and click on my comments and read them in context with GFE discussions you will see what i mean. Talk to this girl. See if she's up to going out to dinner before work or breakfast after work. YOU PAY THE CHECK. Spend some time with her tell her how you feel about her. See if she's up to dating. You just need to treat this girl right. She is there for a reason. She is broken. She really doesn't want to be there. She needs some love and care and understanding. Just treat her with respect, complement her on her good looks. Put your arm around her. Hold her tight like you really care about her and want her. That's how I start with them. You have to be serious though no bullshit just to get in their pants. I truly care about my girls and help them when they need help according to the need. You may not be able to afford much now explain that to her but showing her you care and can be someone to talk to may be what she needs most. PM me with questions please. This is not the place for that really.

The true reality is that 99% of the time she's doing whatever she feels she needs to do (physically) to get more money out of you. The only thing that she's into is your wallet. It really is that simple.

Che, you're funny man hahah I'm young and I'm single. You pay cash for civilian girlfriends regardless. I might as well have a mind blowing experience if I'm going to be spending money anyways. I'm not trying to prostitute her. If she's interested in me as a person then I'll date her. I'm not going to agree to some 200$ deal or something. I see this in the same light as taking a girl home from a regular club. Except I've never been successful at that, so I'm giving a SC a shot. It's easier to flirt in a SC, and I'm pretty sure that this girl was into me. So I really need to test the waters here. I'll probably end up going back, talking to her for a while and buying another dance to see if it matches up. If it doesn't, I'm an ATM and I'll quit on her. If it's just as passionate I'll try to get her number and see if she'll get together.

damn. pure envy. chase her butt nicely. butt as lopaw said... wallet. usually all about the money. give it a try. you got nothing to lose butt money and a piece of your heart.

Thanks for caring Che. I appreciate what you're telling me. I just don't think that she would be able to manipulate me into paying for stuff. I'm not interested in supporting her. If she has a boyfriend, I'm out. If she's got a kid, I'm not getting involved with it. I don't see a future with this girl. I'm just there to offer her company, understanding and a real sexual experience. That's it. I'm not going to pay someone to have sex with me.

damn. to be 22 again. i'd do things sooooo differently. total slut.

Drake, first of all, Lopaw always puts forth the idea that these girls are pulling the wool over guys eyes, and that we are too stupid to see that.

Don't listen to her. She does not speak for heterosexual women.

But know though, most of the guys who walk into strip clubs are idiots.

" The true reality is that 99% of the time she's doing whatever she feels she needs to do (physically) to get more money out of you. The only thing that she's into is your wallet. It really is that simple. "

Inside the club she is doing her job. But outside, if you are not treating her like a prostitute, then probably not.

Second, Jestrite is an experienced womanizer who keeps women in various places to suit his travel needs. He pays them, not for sex, but mistress maintenance. He talks about this as GFE, but this is not the original meaning of GFE. It is intended for talking about straight P4P. He isn't doing this. People adapt the meanings of words to suit their own needs.

Third, most of the time it is not very hard to get the dancers from strip clubs off of the clock, just so long as you never treat them like prostitutes. Most of them love it if a guy treats them just like any other woman, and wants an ordinary relationship. Getting the girl into your own bed, totally off the clock, usually will not be that hard.

Now someone like Jestrite is not really going to do this because he is seeing lots of women.

But if you want an ordinary and monogamous relationship with this one, it could well come to be. But ask yourself about the work hours and lifestyle differences issues.

And, this does not mean that making the relationship with her work will be easy. Most of the time women are afraid of getting their feelings hurt. So often times to avoid this, they bare their claws and strike first. So you've got to be ready.

As yourself, "Why would I want a relationship with a stripper."

I feel that there are lots of legitimate answers, but I don't know yet where you are coming from.

Good Luck SJG

Erik Satie: Things Seen to the Right and the Left youtube.com

"Don't listen to her. She does not speak for heterosexual women."

I don't pretend to speak for straight women. But I do know a HELLUVA lot more about women in general and strippers in particular than you do, and that's a fact. And for you to post here with your incoherent gibberish about experiences that you've never had and give really REALLY bad and wrong advice to a rookie is very irresponsible. You are not doing anyone a favor here with your long winded diatribes about circumstances that you have created in your mind.

Do us a favor and just stop.

The girls who dance in strip clubs are just ordinary girls, and they are quite engage able and datable. I don't care what they say to each other or to you, that is the way it is.

They only become other than that when guys treat them as something other than ordinary girls.

Since I don't do that, I see a side of them that many others don't.

SJG

You are gonna believe what you want to believe. The harsh reality is that strippers are there to separate us from our money. Period. Yes sometimes they hook up with customers OTC but you'd better believe it's gonna cost you. And even rarer are the ones looking for a fuck buddy or boyfriend. Call it what it is. It never hurts to pursue something with a dancer but don't give newbies false hope about the outcome. The kindest thing that we can tell newbs who start thinking that "she's really into me" is a cold hard slap in the face to help them see the reality before they empty out their piggy account and have their heart broken.

Assume the worst and hope for the best.

"Assume the worst and hope for the best."

That's the goal, except for the hope part. I'm going in blind. The only way to get hurt in this world is to have hope. I'm going in without any commitment. I'm simply examining an option and I've got a plan. I'm not saying it's a good plan, but it's a plan that will keep me safe. Happiness is the correlation between expectation and reality. As long as your expectations never overcome your reality, you're happy. So I'm going in without any expectations. The worst that happens is I lose gas money, a little bit of booze money and money for a dance. I've been talking to people to know what to expect from her if she's not interested. I'm putting up walls so I don't get hurt. I do really appreciate the concern, and thanks for helping me realize that this will likely flop.

Good attitude, DrakeReinz. So many hopefuls go in balls-to-the-wall with no foot in reality and get stomped on both financially and emotionally. Good luck to you. Hope everything works out.

These dancers meet dozens if not 100+ guys per week - what are the chances you are that special guy - of course anything is possible; but the odds are against you, big time; it's the nature of the beast/game.

Also - if she can be so into you after just meeting you once in a damn strip-club; then you should be able to have the same luck outside of the strip-club w/ civvies since you potentially have the "it factor" (being facetious actually) - I mean that as another simple rule-of-thumb; if one can't get w/ hot babes like that just as easily outside the club w/ civvies then it does not pass mustard that one will be able to bag a babe like that after having met her one time in a strip-club.

Just giving you the stats but stats are not perfect - at least you seem to know that it can all be BS (or SS = Stripper Shit as we call-it around-here) and seems you have not bought in fully hook-line-and-sinker into the SS.

It may be hard to believe for most of you here but I have 3 former dancers that I consider close friends. The no longer dance. Dancing was just a way for them to get their bills paid while in dire straits. We see each other every 3-4 weeks and go out to movies, dinner, shopping, etc. These girls are just normal girls. None have ever taken advantage of me. I have never given them more than I wanted to give them. There have been times I haven't given them anything. To say that ALL DANCERS just want to empty your wallet just isn't true.

@Papi_Chulo I don't think that she's "Soo into me", but I do think that she had a little crush on me. I feel like she treated me in a way that most guys there don't get treated. If I see a girl in the real world that has a crush on me, that I'm also attracted to, I'm going to take the opportunity. Why should I act any differently in a SC? I'm inexperienced, but I felt passion with her. What kind of dancer tries to create a regular out of a college student? What does she have to gain financially out of me? She knows that I'm a lost cause for her business-wise, why would she go through the effort of giving me such an experience? Because she thought I was cute, and she wanted to have some fun. That's the only explanation I can come up with. Maybe she thinks I'm cute like a little nerd and doesn't want to date me. I can deal with that, but maybe she is actually attracted to me. And there's 2 more possibilities that leads to. 1. She accepts my advances, and 2. She refuses because she doesn't want to date someone she met at work. I get it, I know how to do math. I don't have the best shot here. But I still have a shot, and the way shit has been going for me, I'm going to take it. Hell it's good practice anyways, and it's fun :)

Damn. I got to this thread really late. I don't believe the negativity here. It is obvious that she really enjoyed being with you and was a bit disappointed/pissed that you didn't pursue her further. I urge you to go out tomorrow and buy her the biggest diamond you can afford.

Well I gotta say you got spunk kid - must be a Canadian thing - but as an FYI your are probably the 10th-million guy (being conservative here) in the history of strip-clubs that has felt they "had a connection" w/ a stripper and it turned-out to be a major fail - you seem to see both sides of the coin and I admire your hockey grit so give it a slap-shot and let us know how it went.

The sarcasm is appreciated @flagooner hahaha I've really got nothing to lose by trying though, not unless it actually works. Then I have to figure out exactly what I want which is a lot more dangerous then trying to get a dancer to go out on a date with me.

"... I have to figure out exactly what I want which is a lot more dangerous then trying to get a dancer to go out on a date with me ..."

Yeah - some newbs find out they have bitten off more than they can chew (often times drama and dysfunctionality on steroids) - but carry-on and fight the good fight

If that's the case I'll accept defeat and move on. It's an experience to be had, and if I don't at least try now I know that I'll regret it.

yeah, its very unlikely that she's into you drakereinz, but you don't have much to lose by trying. i remember 4 or 5 years ago, early on in my SC career, when i thought a stripper was into me based on something she did. it happens to all of us. beautiful women can get guys to do almost ANYTHING.

oh, and the rapper drake, who i'm 95 percent sure you made your username after.........is not that good. but he's canadian and so are you...........so i guess that's why you like him. :-)

I actually don't even like Drake hahaha but most of my American friends make that correlation immediately. It's just been my long time online avatar for about 10 years now. I like dragons, hence Drake. I had to come up with something.

GoVikings: Going off subject a bit. Drake is by far not the best rapper, but he is better than about 60% of the mainstream rappers that are out now. I think it is time for him to rap about something else because his subject matter is becoming a little stale now.

Although very rare, it does happen when a dancer really likes a customer. I had a UTR thing with a dancer for about 10 months. She's the only dancer that I saw OTC more than twice. As a matter of fact, we had sex a few times for free and she would pay for or comp the VIP room fee whenever we were in the club together. She would even occasionally buy me a drink whenever I would visit her. She was already established financially and was just dancing for fun. She started to become clingy and began to talk about relationships and marriage so I left her alone after that ( I want to be the one to dictate the friendship/relationship).

You have the right attitude to have. Keep your expectations low and just have fun with the whole ordeal. Good luck!

I had one show interest when I was a relative newb. We even dated a while. She did more than just hint at marriage. She offered me $25K. She was an illegal Brazilian and wanted citizenship. I strung her along for about 4 months before she finally gIrving me the ultimatum.

She got married to another guy who was a friend of a guy I knew about 3 months later. I got an occasional bootie call after that. 3 years later she divorced him and I never saw her again. Even though that was the agreement, I heard he was heartbroken when she left.

Damn, that sounds pretty rough. These girls aren't safe to get emotionally involved with. You gotta really have a decent head on your shoulders to know what kind of tricks their playing. I feel like it's really easy to pass a blind eye because they're so hot. I'm not dealing with immigration or anything though.

Well, I went to go see the girl tonight. It was a bust. 40$ lesson learned. Wasn't nearly the same experience. I'll take the advice to gtfo of SCs now hahaha. How many of you are snickering I told you so now? ;P I had to see her hustle me for myself otherwise I know I would have regretted not going back. Thanks for the advice guys.

consider yourself lucky. good lesson and actually quite cheap.

Only $40 to keep yourself from always wondering what if. Well worth it.

If you think of strip-clubs as frat parties & trying to hook-up, then yeah you're in the wrong place - strip-clubs are like an amusement park, enjoy it for what it is then go back to real-life

Thanks for the follow-up