I know it's been covered, but I'd like to refresh my memory and hear of any new experiences/TUSCLERs opinion. So, looks like I'll have some OTC going down with a dancer I've seen in the club 3 - 5 times. She's older, about 40 - 45, no tattoos, and gave me her number on my 4th visit without me asking. Also, our first encounter and every one since then has had DFK.
So last visit I pop the question and she says yes. I try to make it happen that visit, but shes not too keen on the after shift, but asks what other days I'm available during the week. So that's where her and I stand as of now and me hitting her up this week to set something up firm.
My question is should I avoid talks of any P4P, or come out and start negotiating it? How have any of you avoided or didn't have P4P come up until after all is said and done and how'd you handle it?
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You popped the question? When's the wedding? I would think you would have learned on this site marrying a stripper is not the way to go! lol
Seriously, Don't ask her how much, you have to set the price and negotiate from there. She didn't want to seem like a prostitute so she doesn't want to give a price. Maybe you get lucky and she wants a fwb arrangement, but I would prepare to compensate her monetarily. Know what the max price you are willing to pay is and start lower than that to negotiate up. Maybe you get lucky and she accepts your first offer.
I always txt a concise, but tactful, offer regarding where, when and amount. Call it a present instead of cash or something but best to be specific IMHO.
Offer the normal hooker rate in your area. If she wants 500-600 an hour, remind her that you can bareback a pornstar for that rate.
I'm in the same boat at the OP.
At the moment have 3 solid OTC candidates. All 3 game me their numbers and made a comment we could "hand out / I could come visit you" sometime, knowing I visit from out of state and stay at a hotel in town.
My next step in the process is actually texting before my next trip into town and asking if they would want to meet you. Questions going through my mind at the moment:
- When? Before or after a shift at work, or a day they aren't working at the club?
- Where? Meet up beforehand somewhere for drinks and/or lunch/dinner? If so, do I offer to pick her up? Am I compromising my safety in anyway with this.
- What? I'd would want to be able to go a few rounds with her on our visit. I would be indifferent to whether she spent the night or not - would probably be cool with whatever she wanted.
- How much? Think I've got a ballpark in mind that should be able to get it done. My VIP trips ITC have been reasonably priced (in my mind).
At this point I just need to pull the trigger and set something up. If nothing else, I want to get my first OTC experience under my belt.
Sorry for all the typos above.
What are you worried about? Are you concerned about offending a stripper you are negotiating with for sex? If she is actually going to follow through, she wont' be offended. Don't be douche, but you don't have to tiptoe around it either.
According to Ricky boys "system"
Paragraph 4 section B3 says
" to check out the sex prices on Craig's list to learn the negotiations prices for your area or the the locations you travel to"
LOL - for newbies they treat OTC as if they were going on their first date in High School :) - but that is to be expected.
It seems often times newbies can't see the clear distinction b/w P4P & conventional dating & that is where they often get burned.
You have to be honest w/ yourself as to what you really want - do you really just want to fuck her or do you really want to date her - if it's the former then best to just be straight-forward & not waste time & $$$ beating around the bush - that is how the game is played.
And fucking a woman for free is rarely ever truly free - so if you just wanna fuck her for free there are often some strings attached.
@juicebox69 Lol. I'll check that out. I have a figure, but getting and average or going rate will help me.
@Papi Yeah I would love to fuck for free. I understand it's never truly free, but free to me is doing whatever, but not paging a price specifically for the sex. I'm still learning with OTC. My first two OTCs costed me more money than I would have liked and looking back on them it's all my fault.
"... Yeah I would love to fuck for free ..."
My point about it not being for free is that strippers seem to always have $$$ issues and if one is involved w/ them and they know one has a steady job w/ decent income and enough income to SC, then they will often hit you when the inevitable stripper financial emergencies arise - so if one is banging them and thus hanging w/ them one is thus exposed to their problems and issues.
Some guys seem to be able to get the pussy and avoid the drama; but most seem to not be able to get away w/ it - and thus the saying "there is no such thing as a free lunch".
Treat her like a civilian, don't act like money buys her.
You can still pay her as she wants and as is reasonable, but don't try to use money to persuade her to accept. Let the money just be a show of concern for her welfare.
SJG
The Rolling Stones - Streets Of Love youtube.com
Just learn to not give a fuck