Skype and other social media

How about using old fashioned emails..? Many of your customers are not electronically literate and hence don't even know about Skype, Facebook and Twitter. I'm one of them. If a dancer and I were regulars together, I wouldn't mind pulling up an email with her dance schedule, etc.

I don't really plan to use it as a way to get more customers but I know some girls that do that ontop of getting regulars numbers for me it wouldn't do too much cray good since I dance at very random times. I'm thinking about dancing tomorrow...maybe

I think right now Instagram is the main thing strippers are using for advertising.

I Skype a lot with my mom. But I think the young people use instagram and vine and snapchat.

The tricky part is a lot of high cash SC patrons are old. So that's probably why texting seems the norm.

Skype is for old people, at least that's what I was told from a younger person. Snapchat is all those twerps use now.

A lot of savvy dancers will text provocative pics to their regs to entice them to come see them – it seems to often work well – we PLs *are* a visual and horny bunch!

And a short video of d dancer dancing sexy in her stripper outfit would probably work even better.

I keep in touch with my girls via, in order of most common, texting, snapchat, facebook, voxer, instagram. I would love to use email, but if there's one thing I've learned, strippers absolutely suck at email. Have never used skype with a stripper, don't really find it an interesting or useful technology anymore. Voxer is one of my favorite ways to communicate, but few strippers use it.

Yeah – Evander Hollyfield was a great voxer – one of my faves.

I text my regs. That's it. A few of them have my stripper email, but it's pointless.

My Facebook, twitter, and Snapchat are all personal. And I don't have an Instagram at all. I've thought about making "Nina" social networking accounts, for work, but idk how receptive customers would be. My average regular doesn't use Snapchat.

I can see how Skype would be good to use with long distance clients.

Nina, I didn't even know what snapchat was until introduced to it by a stripper. Once I saw how awesome it is -- You can do the equivalent of texting, you can send teasing pics, whatever -- it became a real fave.

For me personally, I'm not at all interested in joining a stripper's stage-name "branded" facebook/twitter/instagram. We're either on each others' personal accounts, or just stick to texting. Totally understand that some girls want to keep their personal social account completely free of customers, obviously.

Texting is good for communicating. If strippers want to Skype me naked, I won't object.

a lot of girls go through incredible lenghts to NOT be found out that their strippers. When did using social media to gather clients become common?

It became common when the digital world took over and social networks became popular. Free advertising.

Using social media would not attract me. I don't use any other than TUSCL and we all know how misleading they can be. The strippers that I am attracted to don't need to advertise.

A word of warning about using stripper branded social media. If anonymity is important to you, don't use it, especially Facebook, Instagram or Tumblr. I think Snapchat would work well for stripper/custie relations. I text with my faves but I find it taxing. They usually feel the need to pretend that they aren't just trying to pull me into the club which I find annoying. It is almost always the beginning of the end for me when we exchange #s. Eventually I'll get a text asking for a Western Union and that is when I block the # and never come back.

Meursault: odd ... I wonder what explains that? Something about the kind of girls you pick, or the way you interact with them?

For me, texting opens up the world of YMMV, setting up appointments with her so she knows when I'm coming and can clear those few hours of other regulars and ad-hoc customers if she needs to, she can send me sexy pics here and there. And, if she ever gets promoted from CF to ATF status, not uncommon to text every coupla days, which keeps anticipation up, etc.

This whole western union thing must be regional? In all the years I"ve been doing this, I've never been asked for western union. I have, a couple of times, gotten into ATF relationships where I'd get her checking account number, and transfer OTC money directly into her account before or after the OTC. Western Union would be a total no fly zone for me.

shadowcat-->"Using social media would not attract me. I don't use any other than TUSCL and we all know how misleading they can be. The strippers that I am attracted to don't need to advertise."

Shadowcat: while some of th em use social media as brand-building advertising sites, I've always used them as just ways to communicate with my stripper. Set up an appointment, have her send me sexy pics, send flirty messages, etc. I have no use for the stripper-personal branding-building type pages. But snapchatting with my ATF? Fucking awesome!! Just my pic collection alone is worth it :)

For dancers in lower traffic, lower income area, I think doing outreach via social media is smart.

If you're looking at social media to market to regulars or attract new customers, then you need to look at your target audience.

*Most* dancers target older guys, and older guys may not be all that tech savvy. So, while Snapchat may be a great platform, it may not be widely used by older men. Then again, strip club regulars tend to be more tech savvy because they have to learn how to stay in touch with their favorite dancers while also being discreet.

Adding a dose of horny really helps old dogs learn new tricks...

Probably one of the smartest things you could do is ask your current customers what they use and how often. Tell them that you're looking for ways to stay in touch with customers (so it's not creepy...).

I use Skype to stay in touch with remote relatives and friends, but that's it. I'm not sure it would be useful for you.

I also have a separate, anonymous Facebook profile set up to stay in touch with various ladies. FB is very widely used. I have found that quite a few dancers also have separate, anonymous FB accounts (be it a page or profile) for work.

I also follow several local dancers via Instagram from a non-personal IG account. Several dancers use IG because... narcissism. I find it to be useful to discover who is working on what night without being in direct contact with anyone.

Of course there's text and email, but that's not really social media. I'm seeing more people use Kik for anonymous messaging.

There's also the issue of tracking user names and passwords. I use 1Password, which is a paid solution I like a lot. A good, free password safe is KeePass.

My overall suggestion is to pick one or two social media platforms and learn those (including the security settings!) really well, rather than create 10 accounts and lose track of them.

And yes, I'm a huge nerd.

Subraman - Between cell phone texts and emails, I have all of the photos that I want and then some. In fact what do I do with all of those old photos of dancers that I have not seen in years.

And whatever happened to just calling some one on the phone?

Call.Me.Ishmael-->"Probably one of the smartest things you could do is ask your current customers what they use and how often. Tell them that you're looking for ways to stay in touch with customers (so it's not creepy...). "

While I agree that's smart, I also think that this is one case where you CAN teach old dogs new tricks. Many strip club customers, even older ones, are insanely motivated to interact with their fave strippers. I had Snapchat classified along with Kik, Twitter, and any other number of platforms whose name I know but never thought I'd use. But all my fave stripper had to say was, "I like using snapchat, I'll send you pics and even short videos", and now I'm MR MOTHERFUCKING SNAPCHAT. Just like that. I definitely believe it's true that even older customers will adopt modern social platforms if properly motivated by a stripper (hell, a stripper is the ONLY thing that could have motivated me to use Snapchat; now I love it)

-->"And yes, I'm a huge nerd. "

I believe my nerd is both longer and girthier than yours :) :)

Shadowcat-->"Between cell phone texts and emails, I have all of the photos that I want and then some"

If that's so, then you're good. That said, if you like getting pictures and videos, most strippers (in fact, most younger people in general) fit social media more naturally in their lifestyle. Going into snapchat and snapping a pic or vid and sending it on is 2nd nature, takes very few steps (this is what the platform is optimized for), and feels "safer". Taking a picture, looking at it to see if it's good and not blurry, going into text, navigating to your name, starting a text, hitting attachment, then picture, then navigating the galleries to that picture, then attaching it, then sending the text ... a lot more cumbersome, a lot more steps, it's something that she's going to specifically stop and make time for. Snapchat is something she already jumps into 10 times a day, and as I said, taking and sending pics/vids w/ comments is practically effortless.

-->"And whatever happened to just calling some one on the phone?"

I must be ahead of my time: I'm an old guy who has always HATED phone calls. Hate. I started moving all my friends to IM and text and soon as those technologies came out, and now I have them all on voxer. I pretty much tell them, "No reason to call me anymore, unless it's an emergency. And really, I have nothing interesting to say to you on the phone, and Lord knows, you have nothing interesting to say to me. Just text or voxer me, or let me know where we should meet in person for drinks."

I fucking love it that the younger generation is phone call averse too

Never heard of voxer before. I have Facebook but it's my personal account, and I have an instagram that I was posting pole tricks on for a while but stopped and rarely use it, I rarely text cause I'm broke and use a cheap Tracfone in fact half the time my phone is dead for days before I go to use it again, I never got into twitter, and I rarely use my snapchat I leave it for so long it stops sending me alerts that people message me, and I usually try to check my email frequently because I have a few people I animal sit for and groom there animals. So for me email is best mist of the time... Facebook probably would be if I were not afraid of others finding out, though recently I've been on the border of nor caring anymore if people do or not...

I do not use any of the Social Media. I am aware of them but do not want to be that public. The girls who want to see me are lucky if I come in on their shift. My life does revolve around this hobby and I do not want to be bothered by broke dancers looking for a pay day. This shit is about me not them.

@Phoenix, I'm not quite sure what exactly you are suggesting. If you know someone and have exchanged contact info with them, and if they use these social media, then you can communicate with them that way.

But if you mean a stripper putting up a web site on social media herself, and hoping to be contacted by people she does not know, that is different. Does she hope these people will come to her club, or does she hope they will just set up a meeting with her?

We have xoticspot, though that is mostly used in Oregon. But you could set up your own page on it right now if you like. Many of the Oregon clubs have their club website built on xoticspot. So you can go from their dancer roster directly to each girl's page. And you can try to contact her. I suspect though that many of the girls will want a first meeting at the club.

Overall, I would say that if a girl gets people she has not first meet f2f, then she is being an escort. What do I think of that? Well that is her business, not mine.

For myself, if say I looked a the xoticspot profile of a girl in Oregon, I would not contact her. Rather I would just go to the club she is at. I would not tell anyone I was looking for her either. But I would see how it goes. Odds are that likely I would end up engaging with one of the others, someone I found that f2f I liked better.

I think f2f first meetings are very important. This way, the girl will be able to feel in her bones that I like her. And this will permanently influence whatever transpires between us. That removes a monumental amount of pressure, which would be there if I first learned of her via the internet.

SJG

Phoenix133-->" Never heard of voxer before"

Think of it as texting but with voice. So, just like snapchat makes it incredibly easy and convenient to send pics or vids, Voxer makes it super convenient to send recorded voice messages. I like it better than texting because, with texting, I'm constantly making spelling mistakes and correcting them; with voxer, I just speak and the recording gets sent to the other person, no dealing with little keyboards and spelling mistakes. Plus, maybe more important for a stripper, with Voxer I hear her voice -- it's much more intimate and personal, plus I tend to love my ATF's voice, a flirty lilt is all I need to hear and I'm planning my trip back to see her :)

sjg-->"But if you mean a stripper putting up a web site on social media herself, and hoping to be contacted by people she does not know, that is different. Does she hope these people will come to her club, or does she hope they will just set up a meeting with her?"

Obviously different strippers have different motivations, but the ones who I know have their own stripper facebook/instagram/etc, what they are doing is looking at stripping as a serious business, and setting up a brand identity and market outreach. In Las Vegas, many of the girls have taken this to high art -- in fact, forget strippers, even the bottleservice girls at high-end LV clubs are expected to build a brand and attract customers to the club, they even get coached on it. Generally, the sites are meant to attract and/or retain attention to the stripper, and get people coming to the club to see her. Some of the girls are quite sophisticated and active on their social media branding sites -- although the impersonal nature of it is precisely why I eschew such sites... if I'm not on her personal facebook or instagram or snapchat, I'd just as soon contact her via text

@sjg: I wasn't really suggesting anything just making a statement.

I don't really use social media to promote myself, but I know other dancers that do in order to try to draw in more customers to the club. I created this discussion just to simply see what everyone thought about dancers using social media to promote themselves.

Yes, I understand that. And I explained what I think, but I still find the topic confusing. It is different when a girl puts up social media to try and draw customers to the club, versus trying to get escort sessions. But either way, how would people be finding her social media site anyway? It would have to be linked to something else.

So I was involved with SF RedBook, and the ad sites were linked to that. Likewise with things like Craig's list.

The best example of how to use social media to get guys to come to the strip club is xoticspot. Anyone can use it, but it is in Oregon where many of the clubs have their sites built upon it.

Yes, I look at one dancer and then I find more and more and more, and I like some of them, as that goes from pictures. But I would not contact them, I would just show up at the club. I would not tell a soul that I had looked at this girl or that girl's picture.

What I would do was fraternize and see who I wanted to engage with. After that, I might tell the girl that I'd looked at her site. I might remember something that she had recently changed, to verify my claim to have looked at her site. Of course this is all to flatter her.

Once at a conference in San Francisco I spotted this really cute black girl and I decided I would try and invite her to lunch. So, the sidewalks being full of people, I laid back and tailed her. I thought she was an office worker on her lunch hour.

Man was I ever wrong. She ducked right into New Century.

So, in I went. When she finally ended up on my lap, we got to know each other some, and then I told her how I had been out to go to lunch and spotted this girl I presumed to be an office worker, and then about how I did tail her, and I described what she was wearing. This really got to this black girl.

Now, in her stage set she had ended by calling another girl up on stage for open tongue kissing.

Usually in porno movies they do that, and I just fast forward past it. But here in real life it was a huge turn on. It is a display of female power, saying that they control the erotic.

So when she was first on my lap and we talked, I could not help but comment on this. She jumped right and said how much she was enjoying it.

Well in such a situation thing just escalate.

Then when I disclosed to her that I had tailed her, in her street clothes, and presumed to be an office worker, she had to hide her face from me. And then as we continued she really pulled out all the stops.

That she could do all of this with a stranger deeply impacted me. She is a treasure.

My point is that that first interaction between the guy and the girl is extremely important, as it will be remembered forever. And most of all, you can't go by pictures. It has to be face to face and the girl must be able to feel right in her bones that the guy likes her above and beyond others.

If she can come on to a guy and get results, then so could any other girl. But if they guy selects her and makes a play for her when he could have any of the others, that really gets to her.

A guy has one and only one chance to do it that way. So I never pass up such opportunities to get to a girl like that.

SJG

I get all sorts of random Skype invites, what's the difference between this and other cam sites, how is it monetized?

From what dancers have told me, it can be tricky. Some custies will develop expectations about how often/quickly you should respond to them, and give you much drama if you don't meet them.

If I were a stripper, I'd have an anonymous blog so I could at least let custies know when I was working. But there isn't enough sawdust in the world for all the puke that would result from me being a stripper.

I'm on Facebook but only use it to let a relative without a pc see all my dozens of other relatives pics etc. I looked up some dancers on Facebook so now they can see me on there whenever they want to. I also use twitter but never log on. I'd probably use more sites whenever I buy a smartphone and all these strip club restrictions die down. I'm not staying in touch with anyone most of the time. I like using data on a tablet for viewing stock charts and online trades. The smart phones I've tried seem small and limited but I may end up buying one of the cheaper ones just to have when I leave my tablet somewhere. I know not having a phone just seems to irk some people including relatives but I see no need to stay in constant contact online.

I may be like Steve Jobs because I can think of better tech that hasn't been made yet. For example, they could replace both the standard smart phone and tablets if they came out with a phone that could roll out to a much larger screen but could still fold up in your pocket.
I would like a multi gig data only plan for say $30 per month and for only a few dollars more, a little bit of talk time and unlimited text no extra charge.

Why would a dancer use social media?

1. To converse with people she knows.
2. To get people to come to her club.
3. To get people to book escort sessions with her.

1. is no problem. But 2 and 3 require linkage with some other site to find such seekers. So I still think f2f first meetings essential. So just like Rick Dugan advocates, use method 2, and skip method 3.

I would say that the best system for this is xoticspot, available to everyone, but used mostly in Oregon. With many of their clubs the house web site is built on xoticspot, so you can look up the profiles of their dancers.

When I first started going to our local clubs it was before the Internet and before cell phones. Women were much more careful about phone numbers. So most of the time, strip club dancers were ITC only, no outside contact.

Cell phones and the internet have changed this, and now especially with xoticspot, every dancer is potentially your escort.

SJG

But I still would not try and use xoticspot to book a session with a dancer, not until I had met her first at the club and been invited to communicate with her.

F2f first meetings are everything and so I would never decide whether I liked a girl or not just based on photos.

SJG

sjg-->"1. is no problem. But 2 and 3 require linkage with some other site to find such seekers."

SJG, I think you're drastically misunderstanding and underestimating things here. I know a stripper with over 10,000 instagram followers. I have no idea how she gets them, but one thing for sure, to get that many followers, things have gone viral and exponential. She found places to post pics, guys found them, maybe told their friends, who told their friends, etc.

Now, I have NO IDEA whether the girl in question above is monetizing her 10,000 instagram followers. And she is certainly an extreme case ... on the other hand, I also am on a few strippers facebooks who have over a thousand friends. Guys like hot chick pics, and even more so if it's a chick they might be able to see in person and touch.

Well it must be like you said, she found places to post pics and maybe guys told their friends.

But if you want mongers, you post on mongering sites.

SJG