Ok fellow Tuscler's I think my ego may be bruised I need some advice:) Was talking to my regular OTC girl through text tonight. We have plan's to go to dinner this weekend and back to my place. So I asked her to remind me of what shoe size she wore so that I could get a head start on her Christmas present. She said I didn't have to get her anything because she knew I didn't have much! Ok this is my ATF if i were john smith she would be my DS. I said to her ok I didn't know that you thought I was so broke. She said since 200 seemed like a lot to me she assumed i was. And she said i lived in a small place. ( it's a 3 bedroom ranch in a nice middle class neighborhood). What she is referring to is that I negotiated her down from our original OTC price of 500 to 300. The reason being because we both wanted to make it a regular thing and it made more sense for me from a money stand point. I mean i might actually want to buy pussy from another stripper as well...LOL I have bought this girl several gift's perfume,shoe..etc for her birthday and christmas over the last year. So my question is should I be offended that she assumed I was broke? I think I am!!!!
I wouldn't take offense. She is just taking a jab at you because she thinks she should be getting $500 per session versus $300. As long as she keeps fucking you, don't pay attention to what these low IQ bitches say.
I think she was offended that you thought she no longer deserved the original OTC price – kinda often goes w/ the territory if one buys-high originally and then wants to negotiate terms later-on – she was not trying to offend you – I think she was trying to tell-you you offended her – no one likes their $$$ fucked-with – to put it in perspective somewhat – how about if your boss came up to you and all of a sudden cut your wage in half so he could hire someone else.
Yeah, baby, it's been tough lately. I may need to either cut back or ask you, you know, could you come by for $150? I hope you can. Same time Thurssday? Can't wait to see you.
Sometimes its the best way to get what you want. Some sorts of gifts they will like more than others. But I've had AMP and Coffee girls ask me about shoes and perfume, "Will you buy for me?"
About shoes it was a San Francisco experienced extreme eye makeup AMP hottie. She was wearing mules, full stripper height, but no straps. I wanted her in the full stripper shoes, platform sandals, with straps so they stay on. She wears size 6.
About perfume it was the cashier at a Viet Coffee Shop, a MILF. She was wearing this top which was open down to her naval. She put some perfume on or something, so I asked her if she goes down lower. She had already been shaking her tits at me, and that was what she thought I meant. But no, I went all the way down. This embarrassed her. Finally she said, "That's a lot of perfume. You buy for me?"
Damn, now PL's are buying shoes and perfumes for strippers? SMH
Yes Ranukam we are. or at least I am. It's always a means to an end. Ok back to the subject at hand....
I for got to add to my post that I planned to take her to vegas with me in march and I asked her that also...if I was broke how did she think i was going to take her to vegas and she stated that a weekend in vegas wasn't expensive. This coming from a 21 year old. I think like some of you said she may be just fucking with me because i dropped the price of OTC, Which was about 6 months ago BTW. or she just has no sense of the value of money. I don't know maybe i'm a little too sensitive..LOL But I feel like if I am "paying you for your time" that you shouldn't offend or insult me.
Is it possible that your atf is using reverse psychology on you? By saying that you're too broke to get you to spend more on her to prove that you're not as broke as she is saying you are.
When visiting a club with negotiable dance prices, a number of dancers told me I was a good businessman getting great deals on dance prices. I didn't care at all if they thought I didn't have much money. Actually if I had gotten dances from everyone who asked, I would have run out of money in less than a quarter of the time I planned to stay back when things were good with lots of dancers and fun dances.
Shit like this is why I stick to my guns and negotiate a number I can live with from the get go. I have no interest in dealing with a girl who is miffed because I messed with what she thought she would be getting per session.
Time to dump her in my opinion. Once the fun vibe starts to wear off, it is usually time to hit the flush button and find the next Mrs. Right Now. Either she really views you that way or she is playing mind games, but either way it will serve as a negative influence on your future experiences with her.
This reminds me of a stripper who I brought back to my offices one time when the local hotels were booked solid. Being the proud small business owner that I am, I asked her what she thought of my digs. She called it "cozy" - ouch. It didn't stop her from fucking me on the floor though. ;)
Shit like this is why I stick to my guns and negotiate a number I can live with from the get go. I have no interest in dealing with a girl who is miffed because I messed with what she thought she would be getting per session.
Time to dump her in my opinion. Once the fun vibe starts to wear off, it is usually time to hit the flush button and find the next Mrs. Right Now. Either she really views you that way or she is playing mind games, but either way it will serve as a negative influence on your future experiences with her.
This reminds me of a stripper who I brought back to my offices one time when the local hotels were booked solid. Being the proud small business owner that I am, I asked her what she thought of my digs. She called it "cozy" - ouch. It didn't stop her from fucking me on the floor though. ;)
Shit like this is why I stick to my guns and negotiate a number I can live with from the get go. I have no interest in dealing with a girl who is miffed because I messed with what she thought she would be getting per session.
Time to dump her in my opinion. Once the fun vibe starts to wear off, it is usually time to hit the flush button and find the next Mrs. Right Now. Either she really views you that way or she is playing mind games, but either way it will serve as a negative influence on your future experiences with her.
This reminds me of a stripper who I brought back to my offices one time when the local hotels were booked solid. Being the proud small business owner that I am, I asked her what she thought of my digs. She called it "cozy" - ouch. It didn't stop her from fucking me on the floor though. ;)
One tip. You might negotiate cheaper rates but more money for her by doing her more often.
It has worked on lap dances with buying more dances but only paying an additional ten per dance. The dancers who I was doing this with were a couple of my favorites and apparently one told the other I occassionally did that with one. The other offered the same deal.
That is if you want more of whatever it is you're talking about in this thread. I skimmed over it quickly.
"Time to dump her in my opinion. Once the fun vibe starts to wear off, it is usually time to hit the flush button and find the next Mrs. Right Now. Either she really views you that way or she is playing mind games, but either way it will serve as a negative influence on your future experiences with her"
You know Rick that's what i'm thinking. With me it's not just about the physical experience, although that is a large part of it. I like hanging out with the girl and having a good vibe and conversation. You hit the nail on the head!
The dancers always say don't tell anyone they were doing that so I never did. No need to spoil something that works for me. It's not happening anymore so no need to keep it secret.
I probably could have negotiated the price lower for the initial dances but I preferred to stick to the same prices. Later on one of them told me they charged everyone else a lot more. Another reason to have favorites.
"I think you sound financially smart. Seriously rich ppl don't get rich or stay rich by just shitting away cash...they always negotiate the best deals."
well said juice
a lot of rich people fly under the radar
they know it's better to be inconspicuous, rather than being flashy and drawing attention
if you advertise that you are rich, people will expect you to spend more for lots of things
i think OP is better off taking the bruise to his ego, rather than proving he's not broke, which will put a target on him
Here's something to ponder on - remember strippers have no value of what money is. NONE, in their mind they think you should be paying them $1,000 for an OTC when you could get 20 other strippers in your town to do it for $200. Why does she deserve $1,000? Because "she's she!!!!!" That's why!
She needs some math thrown at her. If you meet her twice a month that's $400 a month, $4,800 a year. Tell her that number and ask her if she still thinks your broke.
well said guys! I did this already. Hell if you go into a strip club 4 times a month and spend at least 200 a visit and buy regular pussy from these bitches how can you be broke. I know this! it just kills the good vibe that we had going.
Here's a gift idea tlk. Buy her the cheapest possible shoes you can find, from Walmart or Payless or something. Then, stuff a $100 bill in each shoe. When she opens the box, she'll probably be disgusted, but once she looks inside, she'll probably break into a big smile and it will lighten the mood.
This is not a bad thing. I wish strippers thought I was more broke. I do a horrible job of hiding the funds that I have available for the young hot ones.
She is at her peak beauty and making lots of money at the club for little effort. Like you said, she has no sense in the value of a dollar. When she hits her late 20's and guys quit drooling over her, she'll figure out money doesn't grow on trees and you were actually generous to her.
Personally, I would not take a dancer that insults me to Vegas. You don't want to be stuck with someone who disrespects you for a whole weekend. There are just too many things that could go wrong.
Well said Sinclair that trip is now off. I've been wanting to get back out to Vegas and take the "right" girl with me. I thought I had found her but I think not.
That's what I think – most people have what they need – it's hard to get people something they really want – often times they may not like nor need what one gets them – at best it's better to take them shopping but I think most dancers would prefer good cash over gifts.
I'm going to go out on a PL limb and say most PLs buy gifts for dancers for themselves (i.e. not necessarily for the dancer but to put themselves in the dancer's graces) – just like when they take a dancer to dinner and make it sound they are doing the dancer a favor when in reality IMO they do it for themselves b/c they want the dancer's company.
Dancers want cash over all else; if not exclusively; IMO.
Not everyone cares about getting girls into stripper shoes and dressed slutty. But for some of us it is very important. It takes the encounter out of ordinary space and into liminal space.
Now you've taught us how to maximize OTC options while traveling. Some have gone on to name this The System. Two of it's components are not sitting at the stage and not doing booth dances.
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SJG
I think you sound financially smart
Seriously rich ppl don't get rich or stay rich by just shitting away cash...they always negotiate the best deals
She is either used to dum assess that go broke spending crazy cash on her without asking for deals
And or
This is her way of finding out how much you have so she can better exploit your cash.
Lol that looks just like my text lmfao
Photo sessions are great too!
SJG
About perfume it was the cashier at a Viet Coffee Shop, a MILF. She was wearing this top which was open down to her naval. She put some perfume on or something, so I asked her if she goes down lower. She had already been shaking her tits at me, and that was what she thought I meant. But no, I went all the way down. This embarrassed her. Finally she said, "That's a lot of perfume. You buy for me?"
SJG
Yes Ranukam we are. or at least I am. It's always a means to an end. Ok back to the subject at hand....
I for got to add to my post that I planned to take her to vegas with me in march and I asked her that also...if I was broke how did she think i was going to take her to vegas and she stated that a weekend in vegas wasn't expensive. This coming from a 21 year old. I think like some of you said she may be just fucking with me because i dropped the price of OTC, Which was about 6 months ago BTW. or she just has no sense of the value of money. I don't know maybe i'm a little too sensitive..LOL But I feel like if I am "paying you for your time" that you shouldn't offend or insult me.
Time to dump her in my opinion. Once the fun vibe starts to wear off, it is usually time to hit the flush button and find the next Mrs. Right Now. Either she really views you that way or she is playing mind games, but either way it will serve as a negative influence on your future experiences with her.
This reminds me of a stripper who I brought back to my offices one time when the local hotels were booked solid. Being the proud small business owner that I am, I asked her what she thought of my digs. She called it "cozy" - ouch. It didn't stop her from fucking me on the floor though. ;)
Time to dump her in my opinion. Once the fun vibe starts to wear off, it is usually time to hit the flush button and find the next Mrs. Right Now. Either she really views you that way or she is playing mind games, but either way it will serve as a negative influence on your future experiences with her.
This reminds me of a stripper who I brought back to my offices one time when the local hotels were booked solid. Being the proud small business owner that I am, I asked her what she thought of my digs. She called it "cozy" - ouch. It didn't stop her from fucking me on the floor though. ;)
Time to dump her in my opinion. Once the fun vibe starts to wear off, it is usually time to hit the flush button and find the next Mrs. Right Now. Either she really views you that way or she is playing mind games, but either way it will serve as a negative influence on your future experiences with her.
This reminds me of a stripper who I brought back to my offices one time when the local hotels were booked solid. Being the proud small business owner that I am, I asked her what she thought of my digs. She called it "cozy" - ouch. It didn't stop her from fucking me on the floor though. ;)
It has worked on lap dances with buying more dances but only paying an additional ten per dance. The dancers who I was doing this with were a couple of my favorites and apparently one told the other I occassionally did that with one. The other offered the same deal.
That is if you want more of whatever it is you're talking about in this thread. I skimmed over it quickly.
You know Rick that's what i'm thinking. With me it's not just about the physical experience, although that is a large part of it. I like hanging out with the girl and having a good vibe and conversation. You hit the nail on the head!
I probably could have negotiated the price lower for the initial dances but I preferred to stick to the same prices. Later on one of them told me they charged everyone else a lot more. Another reason to have favorites.
well said juice
a lot of rich people fly under the radar
they know it's better to be inconspicuous, rather than being flashy and drawing attention
if you advertise that you are rich, people will expect you to spend more for lots of things
i think OP is better off taking the bruise to his ego, rather than proving he's not broke, which will put a target on him
She needs some math thrown at her. If you meet her twice a month that's $400 a month, $4,800 a year. Tell her that number and ask her if she still thinks your broke.
Truth.
Lol
Thank you Divorced Mang
Here's a gift idea tlk. Buy her the cheapest possible shoes you can find, from Walmart or Payless or something. Then, stuff a $100 bill in each shoe. When she opens the box, she'll probably be disgusted, but once she looks inside, she'll probably break into a big smile and it will lighten the mood.
Just a thought.
Everyone can have a DS. I was just the first one to recognize her and give her a name.
Personally, I would not take a dancer that insults me to Vegas. You don't want to be stuck with someone who disrespects you for a whole weekend. There are just too many things that could go wrong.
That's what I think – most people have what they need – it's hard to get people something they really want – often times they may not like nor need what one gets them – at best it's better to take them shopping but I think most dancers would prefer good cash over gifts.
I'm going to go out on a PL limb and say most PLs buy gifts for dancers for themselves (i.e. not necessarily for the dancer but to put themselves in the dancer's graces) – just like when they take a dancer to dinner and make it sound they are doing the dancer a favor when in reality IMO they do it for themselves b/c they want the dancer's company.
Dancers want cash over all else; if not exclusively; IMO.
" I think you just make up shit because you're really not doing the things you say you do on here"
For sure, not hard to look at the responses and see who is doing the exact equivalent of SW-style lying & posing.
Completely agree guys. MANG i tell you this board has some idiots.
Go windee da poo on her honey pot and eat dat good good
Yes!
Not everyone cares about getting girls into stripper shoes and dressed slutty. But for some of us it is very important. It takes the encounter out of ordinary space and into liminal space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liminality
A question for Rick Dugan:
Now you've taught us how to maximize OTC options while traveling. Some have gone on to name this The System. Two of it's components are not sitting at the stage and not doing booth dances.
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=9…
Have you ever considered that this might be even better suited to getting dates with lounge bar hookers, or even casino hookers?
I've been thinking about this because of Las Vegas. But then there is also this Wendover Nevada, right on the Utah state line:
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wendover_…
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…
Just one strip club, and no legal brothels. But they probably have casino girls. Lots of things like this right on state lines.
Ever tried The System in a casino or lounge bar?
SJG
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