Best to leave Rick Dugan alone. Negative meta narratives degrade this forum. If you want to challenge him, say on something like his advocacy of drunken driving, then do so directly. Keep the discussion direct, don't try to bash people.
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I study maps and google satellite view of this Oakland Container Port. I see their big cranes which reach out over the ships. I cannot see that you can lift a container directly from a ship to a train. Seems like you have to put them on the ground, or maybe on a truck frame trailer, and then something else gets it on to the trains.
I think for going back and forth between trains and trucks they have some nicer set ups, big scaffolding like cranes that the vehicles just roll under, and it is one step.
Here, LA. But notice, 5 miles from LA and Long Beach docks!
Still not sure if they have the large overhead scaffold cranes, or if they use machines similar to fork lifts that move on their own rubber tires.
But still, if you have to drive 4 to 5 miles, that is way too far to easily do 4500 containers.
But for going between ships and trains they seem to need to use trucks.
I had read that in LA, they have to drive 24 miles from the ships to the rail loading yards. But now someone has made a rail loading yard only 4 miles away. But you can see, this is much worse than Oakland.
But still, they should have it so you go direct between ship and train.
Even after that, I don't know how bad it is coming out of the Bay Area going over Doner Pass, max 2.65% grade, 10.5 meters average annual snowfall, and tracks that really coil back and forth. You can do your own computations with say .6 coefficient of friction and 2.65% grade. Not too many cars per locomotive. But I don't know how in fact they actually do it.
Seems to me quite inefficient. But then changing any of it would be extremely expensive because of land issues.
Here we go, this should be BNSF in Los Angeles. They do have the big straddle machine which can go directly from truck to train. Though it is on wheels.
Here is CSX North Baltimore. This is more what I mean. I guess they want their big crane to be on wheels, wheels on rails, because they also use it to make stacks of containers, and then later pick them up again.
Anyway, as I see it you want this right at the port, where with one lift you could go ship to train, truck, or ground stack up.
I feel that this would be more difficult to do than loading and unloading containers with the right equipment. I don't think piggyback is used much anymore. Even when no ships are involved, they seem to have gone to the containers.
It is always going to mean backing onto cars. And unless you are willing to completely uncouple a long train, it will mean connector plates and backing up a long way. And then the new trailers are not 40', they are 53'.
So the containers are easier, as they are designed to be picked up, and picked up from the top no less. And then they are designed to be stackable.
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But I think Los Angeles is worse.
Here they talk about this issue:
http://cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/160250.…
But here is a video:
http://videos.howstuffworks.com/discover…
I think for going back and forth between trains and trucks they have some nicer set ups, big scaffolding like cranes that the vehicles just roll under, and it is one step.
Here, LA. But notice, 5 miles from LA and Long Beach docks!
https://www.portoflosangeles.org/facilit…
But they do list "on dock yards" too
https://www.google.com/maps/search/los+a…
Here, doesn't look like you can crane directly from ship to rail cars.
Yes, so this is the BNSF yard about 5 miles north of the ports.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/railyard/community…
1302 East Lomita Blvd, Wilmington CA 90744
Here: http://www.bnsf.com/customers/where-can-…
http://www.bnsf.com/customers/where-can-…
Still not sure if they have the large overhead scaffold cranes, or if they use machines similar to fork lifts that move on their own rubber tires.
But still, if you have to drive 4 to 5 miles, that is way too far to easily do 4500 containers.
But for going between ships and trains they seem to need to use trucks.
I had read that in LA, they have to drive 24 miles from the ships to the rail loading yards. But now someone has made a rail loading yard only 4 miles away. But you can see, this is much worse than Oakland.
But still, they should have it so you go direct between ship and train.
Even after that, I don't know how bad it is coming out of the Bay Area going over Doner Pass, max 2.65% grade, 10.5 meters average annual snowfall, and tracks that really coil back and forth. You can do your own computations with say .6 coefficient of friction and 2.65% grade. Not too many cars per locomotive. But I don't know how in fact they actually do it.
Seems to me quite inefficient. But then changing any of it would be extremely expensive because of land issues.
Here we go, this should be BNSF in Los Angeles. They do have the big straddle machine which can go directly from truck to train. Though it is on wheels.
http://www.rtands.com/media/k2/items/cac…
Here is CSX North Baltimore. This is more what I mean. I guess they want their big crane to be on wheels, wheels on rails, because they also use it to make stacks of containers, and then later pick them up again.
Anyway, as I see it you want this right at the port, where with one lift you could go ship to train, truck, or ground stack up.
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I feel that this would be more difficult to do than loading and unloading containers with the right equipment. I don't think piggyback is used much anymore. Even when no ships are involved, they seem to have gone to the containers.
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It is always going to mean backing onto cars. And unless you are willing to completely uncouple a long train, it will mean connector plates and backing up a long way. And then the new trailers are not 40', they are 53'.
So the containers are easier, as they are designed to be picked up, and picked up from the top no less. And then they are designed to be stackable.
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