Will a draft decrease the number of strippers in clubs?

17 comments

• casualguy

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  20 years ago

  Maybe they could just get a reprimand or something less harsh. I thought we did want our soldiers to use their brain to refuse to do orders which are either illegal or unethical or extremely foolish. I am thinking of the soldiers that put shame on the US via the prison system. If they had refused the US wouldn't look quite so bad. Of course if you are given orders to go kick some prisoners by a superior officer, it would take some guts to refuse that order and you would probably still get in trouble for it. The people in charge don't like the word NO I believe. Just think if the soldiers mentioned above had done their duty, some could have easily been killed because their vehicles had no armour or lots of missing armour, and their fuel would have been useless to those they delivered it to. That mission should have never been given it sounds like. The military should question who gave those foolish orders in my opinion.
  
  You may be right though, the military believes in following the chain of command no matter what and punishes those who resist or refuse even if it shows they have brains.
• gdrake

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  20 years ago

  Casualguy
  
  I hope they don't get courtmartialed.
  
  But, the military will likely have to courtmartial them in order to maintain discipline. Letting soldiers use their brains to decide not to obey dangerous orders is not something the military wants to encourage. You might have mass desertions as soldiers decide that its not just that one mission that was fucked up, but the entire war.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Hi Casualguy,
  
  I don't think you need worry about young people being ordered to serve their country. More like being ordered to serve oil tycoons and other business interests.
• casualguy

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  20 years ago

  I am against young people being ordered to go serve their country with no choice in the matter. Voluntary is ok. The ladies have a voluntary choice to work in strip clubs or do other activities but it could be the law with a draft to go serve. If your girlfriend or possible future wife was drafted and lost an arm and/or leg or even their life serving against their will, how would you feel? I would be angry myself.
  
  There are many guys who still believe in protecting the weaker sex from getting killed or maimed serving without a choice. Now if the women want to serve voluntarily, I see no problem.
  
  Extra note: I heard on the evening news a group of US soldiers refused to do a very risky and stupid mission to deliver containminated fuel. The fuel was useless but they were ordered to go drive into a very dangerous area with no armor on the vehicles with fuel trucks. I don't believe any of them should get court martialed. They exercised their brains and are alive today.
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Hi Lopaw,
  
  I think young women should be drafted to the front lines just like young men. Perhaps this is a good reason not to draft young men or young women.
  
  If one wishes to advocate protecting women, then shutting down strip clubs is a good start along with escort services, imo. Also, no cigarette smoking for women and no tattoos or piercings and no "fake" surgery i.e. bigger breasts, bigger lips.
• lopaw

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  20 years ago

  Kyle...I hope to God that you are kidding.......cuz if u are not......you need to wake up now, in the 21st century!!!!!
• lopaw

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  20 years ago

  "We men still feel the need to protect our women, as we should..."
  
  Oh puh-leeze. Give it up. Women today don't want or need that attitude. Like I said....."welcome to 2004"!
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  
  I would think protecting our women would include eliminating strip clubs as well as magazines like Playboy and Hustler as well as most breast implants. Women would be valued for their homemaking and childrearing skills NOT as sex objects.
  
  And, if women truly are the weaker sex than that might be good thing for both men and women.
  
  
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Hi TopGunGlen,
  
  The answer is VOLUNTARY abortion along with an extra mandatory 2 years of service if necessary. Of course voluntary will mean voluntary like complying with the IRS code is voluntary. :) In a country this dishonest and bloodthirsty anything evil can be sold as a justice or freedom or security or whatever.
• TopGunGlen

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  20 years ago

  If a draft was enacted, including young women up to age 26, I bet the pregnancy rate would go up in a hurry. That might be one way to avoid getting blown up in Iraq. I say again that women should not be in full blown battle. Their deaths demoralize the troops in a different way from the deaths of other men. We men still feel the need to protect our women, as we should...
• lopaw

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  20 years ago

  It's totally up to the woman if she wants to serve or not. It's HER call if she wants to put her life on the line to serve her country.
  Welcome to the 21st century!!!
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  Given the choice of having Bush's daughters serve in strip clubs or on the front lines of Iraq, women on the front lines don't look so bad. I'm sure given their family's patriotism serving on the front lines of Iraq is an opportunity they'ed be eager to snatch up. ;)
  
  I hope that any young people stupid enough to considering "serving their country" think about that and forget the canned speeches of their beloved leaders. Yes, to the draft for BOTH men and women whose parents are politicians or lawyers.
  
  I was watching a CNN segment on the government's phony campaign against immigration. If women are drafted, illegal immigrants can always ride to the rescue as they have in so many industries--lower wages and better service, true "service to their country."
  
  
• SuperDude

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  20 years ago

  TGG--I agree with you. That's why I raise this question: How did we get to the point where 8% of the U.S. combat deaths in Iraq are women without any national debate on the question of sending women into combat? It looks to me that it just crept in--it hust happended without any real disccussion of a change in policy. Women used to barred from combat--now they are casualties. I don't recall anyone asking about this in the editorial pages or the halls of Congress.
• TopGunGlen

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  20 years ago

  Now, I am an old timer, but take it from me: Women should not be on the front of any military action. Not because they don't have the brains, they do. But women should not be in life and death battle. (Although nurses are close enough to the front lines, and many have died. But they save lives...) I just feel that a woman should not be out there. Men often feel overly protective, and then there are some (don't call them real men) who think they can give a wrong hard time to female recruits. It's just my opinion, but I think women should give life, not take it...
• SuperDude

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  20 years ago

  After Bush is re-elected, he will declare a national emergency---shortage of troops for the Iraq mission--and ask Congress to reinstate the draft. There will be loud debates and a lot of posturing, but it will pass and the Selective Service System will be revived. This time, there will be no college deferements and it will be gender neutral--women will be drafted. There will be an alternative of civilian national service, which will attract a lot of women, but they will be relocated to where the government feels they are needed. So, strippers might find themselves either in the regular Army or in national service, but away from home. For some the pay and benefits will be enough. For others, moonlighting in a club will be fun and lucrative. Expect strict enforcement of rules banning moonlighting in any form by civilian employees of the government and court martials of strippers for engaging in "immoral behavior." Remember, years ago, the court martials of some active duty service women who posed for Playboy. Civilian or military, some women will risk this outside employment as strippers because it's easy money--until they get caught missing roll call at 0500. The depressing question--will you be there when your ATF comes home from Iraq in a body bag or coffin?
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  I was thinking of another reason this might be good news for strip club customers. If young women want to avoid the draft, then an excellent source of untraceable cash is the sex business. And, I have little fear that a healthy business in government identification will spring up to help these young girls.
  
  A lot depends on how bad the situation is. I sure as heck wouldn't trust the news media to tell the straight story.
  
  I had the opportunity to have lunch/dinner with a couple of foreigners a few years back. One was from the former Soviet Union and the other was from France. I expected both to pro-American because after all they're living in this country and they have good jobs and there is plenty of good stuff to buy. The lady from the former Soviet Union was initially reluctant to talk. The young man from France said he really didn't care for America and that he thought France was a much better country?! So of course I asked then why would you leave? He said it was due to the draft and that almost any industrial country would be acceptable to him. Then the lady from the former Soviet Union said she had no love for America, but at least there was plenty of food and other products. She believed in communism and she felt that she was a political refugee.
  
  So perhaps young men and women will flee America to avoid the draft and then tell people in their new country that they'd rather be in America. :)
• Kyle1111

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  20 years ago

  I think it might increase the number of women who are available depending on desensitizing the experience is. After going thru boot camp the typical young woman might say "So a old guy wants to feel my titties for cash? Not bad." I still remember this one young woman who thought prostitution was wonderful because it helped get her out of the ghetto. She was amazed men were willing to pay so much money just to have sex with her. In her mind being poor and uneducated made her undesirable.