moment of weakness. admittance of pl-dom

Buying a stripper a drink. I hate it when they ask me to. I've gotten really good a saying no or telling them hey its the drink or a tip which one do you really want.

Loaning a dancer $2000 to buy a used car. She now wants to pay me back with sex at 1/2 her normal rate. What did I expect? Weekly payments?

The worst mistake is agreeing on going to VIP without making sure up front what I was paying for. I have gotten burnt about 3 times when I knew better but her good looks let the little head do the thinking.

Giving a girl a tip for dances if she's given you good service isn't PL-ish. Honestly, I think it's kind of a courtesy. OK, so she's asking for one when she says those words, which isn't exactly cool. But considering how many guys don't tip if/when they should, it's probably a good reminder.

Honestly, I kind of think it's more PL-ish not to tip for good service -- then you're cheap and not encouraging the good ones to be good. Yes, it's PL-ish to tip for bad service, too, but since you "gave in," I'm thinking she might have deserved a tip, anyway.

Most PL-ish thing I ever did: Two rooms with a girl, then went to the casino with her and blew more money. Then drove her back home across state lines as the sun came up. Damn she was hot, but when we lost at the casino, she blamed me. I think OTC might have been on the table had we had some semblance of success. Instead, she basically just closed the door on me when we got to her place. A lot of money for very little reward.

One old fave whose sob stories somehow always get to me, even though I know they're at least half bullshit. But I get a little passive-aggressive revenge. She's a lesbian, so I make sure to leave the seat up just to give her a taste of the straight chick life.

Dancer stories don't faze me at all because if I'm trying someone new, it's because I'm attracted to her in some way anyway so all I require is she do her job. I've fallen for lines from my ATF but only her breaking dates when we were "dating" pissed me off. The rest of the time I was a willing participant.

My moves? I don't think I have any; I'm just myself. I don't even tell them I'm in a band because it's unimportant.

Oh, man... When I first started out clubbing, I was taken advantage of so many times I can't even remember...

But with experience comes wisdom. And I'm much more in control at the clubs now spending wise. It takes a lot to get me to go to VIP now. And I'm negotiatiating before hand and knowing exactly what is expected and what it will cost. But that's come as personal experience in hard knocks in the back room.

The saying: "A fool and his money are soon parted" is certainly true in a strip club.

Eh. I'm pretty good at saying no. I've bought dances from hot girls who I figured would be low milage and my instincts were proven right. But I could argue a single dance isn't a very big mistake.

I've actually be quite careful and tight fisted in SC's.

I learned long ago that you can't really go in there "looking for something" from the dancers. Instead you need to be thinking, "What can I bring, what can I give?"

So yes, it always costs money, but if one goes in with the right attitude about it, and if one practices some degree of cost control, it can still be a good experience.

SJG

;) SJG, has it right! Only go to a club knowing how much you are willing to lose....

Once had an ATF with which I occasionally enjoyed OTC beg me to do a threeway with a GF of hers. Turned out my ATF was OTR, but she wanted the money. ATF did oral and then turned me over to GF for FS. Not really a three way at all. No Girl-girl. No 2-on-1. Just a half n half with a pinch hitter. For twice the money. Sheesh!

Classic PL..

@ jim

W lds I generally reward good service by buying more and stop short w bad. Now if its extraordinary than yeah she definitely deserves one ;)

Once or twice out of a hundred times I go in a club, I may walk out with a true offer for otc. Of those 100 times I may get a bullshit flirty proposition about 10-20 times. The rest are just dirty dancing and keeping the good times in the club. I never offer the girl anymore if she is interested. If the girl brings it up then you have better time management instead of chasing waterfalls.

Sorry to avoid the original posters topic, but I've done so many dumb pl moves in my younger days I can't pick one to describe. It is the culmination of my experiences that have taught me to not search for OTC. Like SJG states, keep your expectations low and then sometimes you will be pleasantly surprised.