Massage parlors in New England?

Read Providence reviews.

AMPs don't fare well in MA. Years ago there were a few "massage" places in the Boston area, but both BPD and MA state police are quick to crack down on anything like that. Even getting a new strip club open almost anywhere in MA is nearly impossible, which is why there are only two in Boston, despite its population base.

For those of you who believe that Conservatives are the ones who are anti-sex work, you obviously haven't experienced the shitty state of affairs in place like MA, VT, and DC, which are among the most liberal areas of the country and some of the most restrictive, at least if you want a contact LD. The reality is that there are anti-sex work elements on both sides of the aisle, with religious nuts on the far right and nanny state liberals on the far left.

Anyway, you'll probably need to take yourself down to Providence. Do a little research - those places are not exactly state secrets.

Well posted Rick!

There is a link to massage parlors on TUSCL but the only way that I know of to view it is to hit the send button on a personal message. Then it appears at the bottom of the page.

Thanks guys. I will definitely look into these suggestions. Keep the info coming

Honestly J I think your question has been well answered already. If you are looking for something guaranteed, your best bet is to find a well reviewed escort. There are a ton of girls advertising on Eros in Beantown. Just watch your ass, since MA staties devote a lot of resources towards busting sex workers and Johns. After all, sex workers resist less than hardened criminals. ;)

Thanks to Mr. Dugan for all the good insights.

You can go to this:
http://www.rubmaps.com/

Go to advanced search and select city and state. There are 43 in Boston. The large number is a good sign because this means that they are competing with each other.

As a non-member you are allowed to read the old reviews. I have found this to be sufficient.

So what I do then is start clicking on sex acts and see how much this winnows the list down. Advanced search is searching reviews you are not allowed to read unless you are a paying member.

I find these two:
http://www.rubmaps.com/erotic-massage-cl…

http://www.rubmaps.com/erotic-massage-ra…

I read some of the reviews, and they look to be as good as I have read anywhere. Thing is though, these are always YMMV places. How the girls perceive you and how you treat them makes all the difference. What you get can be mechanical and dissociated, or it can be a Girl Friend Audition and end up with a girl who wants you to take her home with you.

As far as being nude, not sure if I understand you. You are expected to take your clothes off, and first. If the girl is going to give you FS, then her clothes also come off.

SJG

SJG, you need to look a little more closely. Look at the comments posted by other members who read those reviews. Needless to say there is a lot of skepticism that these guys got anything other than a massage.

There are plenty of massage parlors run by Asians in Boston, but they do not operate like the AMPs in other places. Most of those places are legit. Boston area mongers generally don't source their p4p from massage parlors.

J, go ye forth if you try to source it in Boston proper and I would be happy to be proven wrong, but I'm guessing that I won't be. Boston has zero tolerance for massage parlors running like brothels and I am sure that they have sent undercovers into all of those places.

I read the RubMaps reviews for Boston and they look almost the same as the reviews for S.F. and about on par with the reviews for S.J.

My own view is that the reviews underestimate what actually goes on in these places. Most of the girls don't like being written about. So to frustrate this they use lots of different names and the names they give first timers are always disposable.

The guys who get on well with the girls don't write about them.

Lots of guys who go to these places don't even know that FS is available. They think it is only HJ Happy Ending.

Of these Boston places I see descriptions of FS, BJ, FIV, DATY, and kissing.

Yes, it is a small portion of the total reviews. But it is also like this for S.F. Compare with S.F. when interpreting RubMaps. This is what I suggest because I can attest that in S.F. most of the places are straight up brothels. When the girl walks out to meet you, her posture and demeanor will leave no doubt. Often I have just started making out with the girl straight off.

Very hard though for LE. Some jurisdictions have a written policy against getting naked, because it always gets them into trouble. The ways I get FS are all intended to make it GFE FS. LE can't do this. Or at least they aren't supposed to. I never ask the girl for anything verbally. No reason to. I don't want a service provider. I want a 60min girlfriend. And I don't post about them on review sites.

SJG

Rub maps is a pay site only if you want a recent review. Naughtyreviews.com will give you limited access for a review.
You can post parlor review here if you choose to. There is a classification when you post a new club for Strip, Lingerie, Massage Parlor. My problem with them is you must be careful with massage parlors, I don't want anything to do with the no speakie english places that use slavery

SJG, Boston is not San Fran. Boston is one of the worst mongering cities I know. I'm speaking from ample first hand experience as it was one of my stomping grounds once upon a time and I am back there often enough to stay current. But if you refuse to take my workd for it, read up a bit on usasexguide and you'll get a better sense as to the sorry state of affairs with AMPs in MA.

LE paranoia is very high there because LE is very active in chasing this stuff down. You're trying to defend a position based upon a couple of questionable reviews, in the face of an overwhelming number that say otherwise, and your unsupported theories as to what LE can and cannot do. Maybe some guy got an oiled HJ and maybe some other guy even got a little more, but I can tell you that places like that aren't the norm in Beantown and don't last very long.

Now you can keep trying to give mongering advice for a place you never monger in if you want, but it's not something that I like to do. That's why I don't give advice about San Fran. ;)

J, do what you want, but if I were in your shoes, I would just head down to Providence. Both the clubs and the AMPs are much more fun in most instances.

J, there's also eroticmp.com and theeroticreview has a massage-girl section, but you have to be a member to access that. Like with any review site though, you'll probably have to weed through a bit of shit to find some gold. You might want to check their forums, too; you might be able to back-channel some info.

Mr. Rookie Police Officer, OTC does not happen in the clubs. the strippers would never engage in sex for money especially out of the club. how dare you infer that we are jons looking for prostitutes and willing to attempt to do anything illegal as such.

please reread the rules stating that the stories are fictional works of art. incidents do not happen like that, just like pornos. have you ever had a sexii pizza delivery girl dropp off a pizza and fuck you? No? ok then you get the picture

@TiredTraveler, I have never seen any AMP which uses anything like slavery.

I am familiar with the most extreme Korean places in SF, where the girls speak no English. There is a case of a girl who has gotten her U-VISA under the TVPA. But no one has ever been charged over her story. The big shop is still open. Even in her narrative, she never says that she was ever forced to do anything or otherwise badly treated. All she is claiming is psychological distress, which is all the law requires.

Mostly what it is is that she hooked up with an American boyfriend and decided that she wanted to retire and stay here.

As one SJ attorney who handles cases in this realm said to me, "She's working the system. First she was working *that system* ( meaning the Korean syndicate ), and now she's working *this* system ( meaning US immigration ).

She actually got involved in this real because she had run up massive credit card debts in Korea. She acts like she knew nothing. But her mom runs a Juicy Girl place in Korea, meaning a coffee shop with sex in the back room. Man how I wish they had such stuff in San Jose. They don't.

In Korea debt collectors can just walk into your home and seize personal effects. If they tried that with me, I'd kill them and take their cash and valuables and sell their bodies to organ transplanters. But in Korea it is standard. So if the girl was a victim, she was a victim of what goes on in Korea.

She did escort work in LA, then AMP work. Then she got busted. Then the syndicate moved her around some, and then transferred her to an SF AMP.

This is as bad as it got. Not much.

She started seeing her American boyfriend. And then when her debts to the kind of banks that are perfectly legal in Korea were paid, she quit and went to live with the boyfriend.

Then there are the Korean 10-day AAMPs. This syndicate has done some bad stuff. But the girls are friendly and good looking. Though they don't kiss, they are fun to session with. If you can see the same girl a couple of times, it will make a big impression on her.

I'm not endorsing one review site versus another. I am just familiar with RubMaps. As a non-member you can read the old reviews. Usually this is good enough, as the longer a place is open, the higher the mileage and the service level go.

Definition:

Mileage means how far the girl will go with you, FS being the highest level, except maybe for Anal or BBing.

Service Level means how good of a job she does, how GFE is it, and usually DFK is the supreme level.

Most AMPs do offer FS as the basic highest mileage level.

Most AAMP are routinely GFE, with lots of DFKing. But most AMPs are not.

One exception is found in Korean AAMPs. Kissing is a big deal for Koreans, so unless they have become quite Americanized, the don't do it.

But some years back I talked with a lovely sounding Korean-American phone operator for one of the lead RB Korean AAMPs, and she assured me that my needs would be well tended to because, "We have a DFK girl."

And just to give some sense of this. I posted before about one Korean-American Sophy working at an AMP in Sunnvale, not older than about 22. I saw her 3 times and she wanted me to take her out on a civilian date. We liked each other very much. But still no kissing.

To kiss a girl like that the best thing to do would be to take her out on a daytime civilian date, like on a Saturday, something which involves spending lots of time with her and being in public places. Just the spending of time and talking will soften her up. She has never had a boyfriend. Even though she does P4P FS, she has never had a boyfriend. Lots of such cases. Anyway, the daytime date and being out and about and around people will soften her up, and she will become kissable.

SJG

Mr. Dugan, Providence may well be better than Boston. I'm not saying otherwise.

I will have to look into review accessibility on usasexguide. Not tried it yet.

I know that Boston is not San Francisco. But the fact is that the highest mileage level reviews on Rubmaps for Boston come close to what they say about San Francisco.

I'm not really giving advice about Boston, I'm giving the advice that people should read RubMaps, but then use some sense in interpreting it.

What I see it saying for Boston comes close to SF. It is actually more like SJ, which is less than SF.

Looking at RubMaps for some places I have seen:

New Orleans, not that many AMPs, but the best it has equals SF.

Other places in Louisiana not much.

Atlanta, the best of its AMPs equal SJ, but not SF.

Houston, this place is completely off of the charts. It has over 200 AMPs, and the best, which there are many of, equal SF.

647b is extremely hard for LE to enforce. So even though they may want to crack down on mongering in all venues, it is often impractical for them to do so.

Some police jurisdictions have written policies not about not getting naked. Usually getting naked gets the police in trouble.

The girls won't even engage with you until you are naked. They know that this gives them a great deal of protection.

In the SJ AMPs I have been in recently, never have the girls done anything like solicitation, even when I was naked. Never did they verbally discuss with me what was to happen, and never did they encourage anything beyond massage, until I was already all over them.

647b is a supposed crime which occurs between two adults who are consenting. Very hard for an outside party to bust them. Sex is not a crime.

So if one of the two parties is a cop, they better not be engaging in either entrapment or sex acts.

So what I am saying is that it is extremely hard to bust AMPs for 647b.

This is why they like to have these local ordinances about other stuff, for SC's and for AMP's.

They don't like mongering in SJ or SF, but there are practical limits in their ability to do anything about it.

The consequence of this is that lots of people go to AMPs for years and never even know that FS is available.

If a newbie walks in and pays the house fee, then the girl will start and usually go into the tip routine. "How much you tip me? You tip me good?" This gets the guy thinking that there could be more available. If encouraged in the slightest the girl's hands will move to his cock.

But in all but the most extreme places they are never openly promoting FS.

When you have straights going into these places the conflict is that the straights don't understand that the girls work mostly for tips. They get little or nothing from the house fee. They wouldn't be there for just the house fee. They do do very good massages. If you want, they will walk on your back. "Some customers very big." But what they want is a tip and they want to earn this by doing HJ.

Some people try to talk the girls into FS, or even start offering money. Of course a cop should never do any of these things.

But the better way, the way I do it, is just to treat her like a civilian and start coming on to her, verbally and then physically. I treat women like civilians in all situations.

I just checked RubMaps for some of the places I have been using in SJ. With advanced search it will check all of the reviews, even the ones you are not allowed to read. If I go by that, then at the shops in question, no one has ever stuck their penis into one of their girls, and no one has ever kissed one of their girls, or pussy licked or fingered one of them either. I can personally attest to all of these premises being false.

With the exception of a few celebrity providers, most of the girls don't like to be written about. So they confuse the situation by using multiple names. And also, the guys who get along with the girls don't want to write about them. So RubMaps is very useful, but it is an under estimate.

I'm not giving specific advice about Boston or any other places I have never been to. But I am giving general advice about how to use something like RubMaps and how to interpret it so that you will know what to expect if you try out the AMPs in a particular place.

I would be interested to know how many other places people find besides Houston which rival San Francisco.

I would also be interested to hear from people who are regularly using the AMPs somewhere and who would like to weigh in on my premise that RubMaps is an under reporting of what actually goes on.

SJG

Joni Mitchell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50zkUclo…

Mr. Dugan, I'm not disputing what you say about LE being anti-mongering in Boston.

I'm just looking at what it says on Rubmaps, what it says on Rubmaps for the places I know SF and SJ, and what I know of AMP culture. Based on this, I say you have to calibrate Rubmaps. It is an underestimate.

If I were in Boston now, I feel that I could get about the same results that I am getting in another anti-mongering place, San Jose.

Depending on how I presented myself and how I selected and courted a girl, and on how I interacted with her, I would almost certainly get FS.

I could very well get a nice GFE session. I may even get a Girl Friend Audition. And if I wanted to invite the girl to a simple outside date, the chances or she accepting that would be quite good.

Rubmaps may not convey all of this, but I am calibrating it on the basis of my own experience.

Are other people reading RubMaps? How do the places you are looking at compare with San Francisco.

Anyone doing AMP sessions? How does your own experience compare with what RubMaps says about our city and your shops?

SJG

Rolling Stones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smdPXeQc…

In reading RubMaps, I'm not just looking at what boxes people have checked off. I'm also looking for reviews with lengthy narratives. So if it went a particular way with one of their girls, why did it go that way?

Most of the guys are doing the same things that guys do in SC's, treating the girl like a prostitute and trying to talk her into sex acts for money.

Very few just treat the girl like a civilian date and use charm and flattery while physically moving on her. Very few talk about what they do to stage the emotional dynamics before they get into the room with the girl, to let her feel that they really like her.

Some even agree to the session before they have seen the girl. This always makes it very hard on the girl. She does not know if they like her.

Very few talk about spending any time talking to the girl about ordinary things, the sorts of things which women's lives revolve around.

So when I read the reviews I am mostly looking for the best review of a girl and of her shop. I dismiss the rest. If a girl will go for a GFE-FS encounter with one guy, she will do it with me because I will treat her right.

Likewise, I am looking for accounts of slutty dressing and demeanor, because that indicates that at that shop the girls are competing by promoting FS instead of just Happy Ending. So at such a shop there will also be more GFE going on. The girls will be used to guys who want that, and so they should be used to it.

No charge for the above info.

SJG

Usually I've gotten great GFE in AMPs, even though that is not the standard offering, not by negotiating, but by flirting with the girl and by coming on to her. This is why I want to get her off script as early as possible. Usually I can do it by playing window shopping games, even before I've committed to the session and paid. And then by the time we have walked all the way to the session room, she'll be really softened up. These girls like adventures. Otherwise their jobs are boring. The more time a guy is spending checking her out, and the more effort he is making to come on to her, the more flattered she is going to be and the less likely she is going to have any remaining limits. Mostly she's just going to let the guy have his way with her, and enjoy it to the fullest.

football guy's GFE thread:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

Yesterdays Session with HA, really good! Post coming:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

AMP Advice to an out of state TUSCL bro:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

Hookup script versus Dating script:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…

SJG

Wes Montgomery, Beginnings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOpfGc91…