dive strip club
san_jose_guy
money was invented for handing to women, but buying dances is a chump's game
Recipe for a real tough dive strip club:
Based on communications made to me about a dive strip club, where it is very hard for dancers to make any money I suggest the following. Part of the problem is that the place is full of guys who want to eat food and hang out and engage in free groping. This of course makes it hard for the dancers to engage with the other customers. It is just not a cool environment. So it gets to the point where dancers see that they would be doing better just standing out on the sidewalk. So often it is just one dancer per shift.
1. Food helps a strip club when it is basically low mileage. This is like say the Brass Rail in Sunnyvale. Groups of people from Lockheed come over. Just good wholesome fun, no touching. But in a high mileage place with booths and backrooms, guys are not going to come there with their coworkers.
So the food does not help the strippers. Actually it causes a problem because it means that you can't have much of a cover charge.
So first, decide, food or strippers. You can't have both in such an environment. If it is to be strippers, then cancel the food and filre the cook.
2. Impose a cover charge. People can still hang out, but not for free.
This will mean initially less people in the building. But those who are there should be there to spend money, and to spend it on the dancers.
3. With a cover charge, it should be possible to lower all the fees charged to the dancers.
4. With the better environment, dancers can really work the customers, using their innate strengths. It is now a good environment for naked women, and for getting hands on.
5. Should be able to get multiple dancers per shift. SC's work when the dancers are competing with each other, and us guys are the beneficiaries. If a club has deteriorated to the point where most dancers don't want to be there, then something is wrong.
So it should be a minimum of three per shift. Three is the minimum for a competitive psychodynamics.
Now yes, going to a cover charge is one small step in the direction of Lingerie Modelling or Adult Entertainment clubs. You have to do this in order to protect the environment. But it still leaves it as a place where you can hang out and fraternize with dancers in the front room, probably at a moderate cost, and then build some rapport before heading to the VIP room. So it is still much better than Lingerie Modelling or Adult Entertainment.
SJG
Based on communications made to me about a dive strip club, where it is very hard for dancers to make any money I suggest the following. Part of the problem is that the place is full of guys who want to eat food and hang out and engage in free groping. This of course makes it hard for the dancers to engage with the other customers. It is just not a cool environment. So it gets to the point where dancers see that they would be doing better just standing out on the sidewalk. So often it is just one dancer per shift.
1. Food helps a strip club when it is basically low mileage. This is like say the Brass Rail in Sunnyvale. Groups of people from Lockheed come over. Just good wholesome fun, no touching. But in a high mileage place with booths and backrooms, guys are not going to come there with their coworkers.
So the food does not help the strippers. Actually it causes a problem because it means that you can't have much of a cover charge.
So first, decide, food or strippers. You can't have both in such an environment. If it is to be strippers, then cancel the food and filre the cook.
2. Impose a cover charge. People can still hang out, but not for free.
This will mean initially less people in the building. But those who are there should be there to spend money, and to spend it on the dancers.
3. With a cover charge, it should be possible to lower all the fees charged to the dancers.
4. With the better environment, dancers can really work the customers, using their innate strengths. It is now a good environment for naked women, and for getting hands on.
5. Should be able to get multiple dancers per shift. SC's work when the dancers are competing with each other, and us guys are the beneficiaries. If a club has deteriorated to the point where most dancers don't want to be there, then something is wrong.
So it should be a minimum of three per shift. Three is the minimum for a competitive psychodynamics.
Now yes, going to a cover charge is one small step in the direction of Lingerie Modelling or Adult Entertainment clubs. You have to do this in order to protect the environment. But it still leaves it as a place where you can hang out and fraternize with dancers in the front room, probably at a moderate cost, and then build some rapport before heading to the VIP room. So it is still much better than Lingerie Modelling or Adult Entertainment.
SJG
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You're basically shouting at the wind. Vote with your feet and dollars and go elsewhere.
No, it is certainly not a "Gentleman's Club".
Mr. LDK, 3-5, but not 1 and 2? Part of the reason that they don't have a cover charge now is that in order to make the food part of the biz profitable, they need to let in as many people as possible. Otherwise the food biz will lose money. My whole point is that when you are talking about a high mileage club, this does not work. The food biz is interfering with the dancers making money, as it sets up an unworkable environment where most of the customers in the house are not intending to spend any money on the dancers. And a lot of them want free groping.
So I say that you can't have both food and dancers in such an environment.
Now sure, in a zero mileage place like the Brass Rail in Sunnyvale, CA, food helps the dancers. It brings in more people. The place is strictly zero touching, and this is enforced. There is no form whatsoever of private dance.
So groups of people come in from Lockheed, and eat, and lots of them will be handing bits of money to their favorite dancers. Some guys won't get up and go sit at the stage, but when the girl comes around waitressing they will give her something.
The dancers get min wage, plus tips for dancing and serving drinks, and there are no access fees.
So often for the day shift, the lunch time crowd is most of it.
But in a high mileage place, with booths, back rooms, and a fair amount of front room friendliness, the food does not help. It hurts because it sets up a conflicting interest as to who is allowed inside the club. The food does not bring many paying people in, but it does prevent there from being a cover charge.
SJG
In fact though, there is a completely different issue in play. By not imposing a cover charge, the owner has set up a very negative work environment. Those who might want to spend money in the VIP Room are not likely to come there. And the one dancer has to spend most of her time dealing with people who want free groping.
Part of the problem is that the owner insists on offering food, and so since this adds more fixed cost, the owner has to decline to have a cover charge so that there will be enough people there who just want food. Food is giving people a way of getting in, who really should not be there.
So if this problem can be rectified, by cancelling the food, imposing a cover charge, and then reducing dancer fees, it should start to work.
With those not intending to spend money now being gone, dancers can apply their charms and make stuff happen. Because there will be money there to be made, it will attract more dancers.
And this is the key, strip clubs are competitive. Prospective dances are always sizing up the current crew in deciding if they should jump in. So as it draws more dancers, business will further improve.
So yes, it will still be psychologically challenging to work there, but not in the same way. As it is a high mileage venue, it is not required that a dancer be able to please everybody. It is not going to be all about looks. And even looks is not just a one dimensional issue. If it is an environment where guys are doing VIP sessions with some of the girls, that will stimulate everyone else. So it will be competitive, but in a healthy sense. So long as a dancer is able to get some dances and please some people, it should work out okay.
So with the way it still is today, it looks demoralizing. But the real reason for this is just that the owner has allowed it to become an unsuitable work environment.
SJG
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