I don't think that high-contact LD are prostitution but I think they are better suited for the jack-shacks. I just think that the entertainers can provide a stimulating performance without having to worry about the extras. If this had remainedtrue, then I think the quality of the entertainers would have remained higher and the less fortunate ladies could have stayed at the jack-shacks or elsewhere. With some offering extras, it puts pressure on those who choose not to and that isn't fair in my opinion. Let the genre's remain seperate and everyone benefits. Clubs are staffed with higher quality, more employees at the shacks and escort services become more avaiable and cost efficent.
Dragman, sounds like you consider high-contact lap dances to be prostitution. In my experience nearly everyone has a different definition of what is and what isn't prostitution, in fact I believe that the term is impossible to define.
If you're saying that there's much more physical contact in clubs than there used to be, largely because of money and peer pressure, I agree with you. But I think there's less actual sex taking place, defining that to mean penetration.
I've noticed that 2 of TUSCL's top 10 clubs are now Wagon Wheel in NJ and Playhouse Lounge in NJ. I'm very familiar with both clubs and the only thing they have going for them is that they are both the highest contact clubs in their respective states. Other than that neither one of them is very good. So I guess that proves your point. I wonder if that's true of the other top-10 clubs. If so I find that rather sad.
Dragman, I found your post to be very interesting. Are you saying that there's a lot more prostitution taking place in and around strip clubs than there used to be? Because that hasn't been my experience. I've been going to clubs for 40 years and it seems to me that prostitution has become less common, not more. It used to be that a lot of girls would regualrly make trips to the parking lot with customers or make arrangements to meet later at a motel but I haven't seen that in a long time. Maybe we're talking about 2 different things - I'm mostly familiar with the typical small dives while you seem to be talking about the big fancy gentlemen's clubs. Maybe there's a lot less supervision in the small places because they have more to gain and a lot less to lose. And maybe today there's more prostitution in GC's than there was previously but frankly I have not seen it. Or maybe you're talking about racier stage shows and contact lap dances, both of which are realtively new in many areas. That I agree with.
There is prostitution and then there is prostitution. I like to get to know the dancer and then if she's willing pay her for sexual services. To me that is the best form of prostitution. I can't imagine going to an escort service unless they set it up like a strip club. Prosititution is an excellent place to find quality paid sex. By "quality" I mean perfect looking and you know each other for some reasonable amount of time.
Come clean, that was the reason for leaving. I managed the largest and very upscale Crescent Cabaret in the French Quarter of New Orleans for a few years. I have also worked with the Gold cLUB IN atl. Two brothers from Texas op-en and owned both of thosem clubs and then cashed in. I also was employed by Stormin BNormin's (now Flashers}mand The White Rose , also in ATL
This web site as been truly educational. When I was in the AEI, the actons and performances that go on regular these days, would have been cnsidered fireable offenses. To any of the clubs or entertainers for that matter, but time, effort , and tho0ught into their stage routines? I remeber when the ladies would pull together elaborteMini- features and give the customers on hell of a show. The outside meetings with the customers were few and far between. In New Orleans, we had two Private Detectives on retainer to make sure the club wasn't being used as a front for prostitution. It's sad, it almost seems that is where the industry is headed The only reason it is not already there is due to "Entertainers" like phoenixxxblaque. I feel sorry for the girls just starting out in this field because what they are learning is sex for sale. But we already have that and it is called Prostitution. Why lose a wonderful, erotic, and stimulating experience such as AE, because of the money? Those that want to entertain should and those that are willing to sel themselves should find pimps. I wish someone would push me off of the soapbox I tend to speak from. I apoligize if it offends anyone but it is the way I feel,
Main Entry: pros·ti·tu·tion
Pronunciation: "präs-t&-'tü-sh&n, -'tyü-
Function: noun
the act or practice of indulging in promiscuous sexual relations especially for money
I guess what I meant is that it just seems with the rise in VIP activity and meeting customers outside the club, mthat some of the dancers that wouldn't have done that before may seem that it is almost required to participate because if they don't, another will. The "everyone else is doing it" justification is very evident and could make some do something thay may not want to but feel they must in order to keep regulars and make money. Prostition in my opinion is not only intercourse, but the fact that someone is paying for something that wouldn't occur without the cash incentive. I'll say also that if someone deceide to meet otc because of desire or interest any money is not mentioned, that is entirely different. But if it is soley based on the income, it is a form of prostitution in my opinion.
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If you're saying that there's much more physical contact in clubs than there used to be, largely because of money and peer pressure, I agree with you. But I think there's less actual sex taking place, defining that to mean penetration.
I've noticed that 2 of TUSCL's top 10 clubs are now Wagon Wheel in NJ and Playhouse Lounge in NJ. I'm very familiar with both clubs and the only thing they have going for them is that they are both the highest contact clubs in their respective states. Other than that neither one of them is very good. So I guess that proves your point. I wonder if that's true of the other top-10 clubs. If so I find that rather sad.
This web site as been truly educational. When I was in the AEI, the actons and performances that go on regular these days, would have been cnsidered fireable offenses. To any of the clubs or entertainers for that matter, but time, effort , and tho0ught into their stage routines? I remeber when the ladies would pull together elaborteMini- features and give the customers on hell of a show. The outside meetings with the customers were few and far between. In New Orleans, we had two Private Detectives on retainer to make sure the club wasn't being used as a front for prostitution. It's sad, it almost seems that is where the industry is headed The only reason it is not already there is due to "Entertainers" like phoenixxxblaque. I feel sorry for the girls just starting out in this field because what they are learning is sex for sale. But we already have that and it is called Prostitution. Why lose a wonderful, erotic, and stimulating experience such as AE, because of the money? Those that want to entertain should and those that are willing to sel themselves should find pimps. I wish someone would push me off of the soapbox I tend to speak from. I apoligize if it offends anyone but it is the way I feel,
Pronunciation: "präs-t&-'tü-sh&n, -'tyü-
Function: noun
the act or practice of indulging in promiscuous sexual relations especially for money
I guess what I meant is that it just seems with the rise in VIP activity and meeting customers outside the club, mthat some of the dancers that wouldn't have done that before may seem that it is almost required to participate because if they don't, another will. The "everyone else is doing it" justification is very evident and could make some do something thay may not want to but feel they must in order to keep regulars and make money. Prostition in my opinion is not only intercourse, but the fact that someone is paying for something that wouldn't occur without the cash incentive. I'll say also that if someone deceide to meet otc because of desire or interest any money is not mentioned, that is entirely different. But if it is soley based on the income, it is a form of prostitution in my opinion.