ck an attractive dancer out of the lineup and start tipping her heavy. $2's Several times per song or $5's several times per song at the stage if I really want her or am lusting after her. That gets her attention and she will come over and start talking to me at my table in a darker area next to the wall. When she sits down with me I start telling her how hot she is and how beautiful she is and how bad I want her and need her. I start with hand holding and kisses on the cheek then very quickly start kissing her up and down her neck. Then it's pecks on the lips which very quickly moves into DFK with Simultaneous caressing of the thighs under the table. After about 3 or 4 minutes my hand moves to the "y" where I start playing with the clit. I do not try any thin more out front. After several minutes we go to vip together and I start all over again in vip playing with the clit and DFKing. By then she wants my dick bad and it's all over but the mad passionate love I Make with her there. I make love to her like she was my girlfriend with DFK DATY kissing her all over her body and continually telling her how good a fuck she is an how hot she is. I want a GFE with every dancer I select and I try to continue that outside the club with OTC at there house or my hotel. If it's not a true GFE I don't want it. To me this is much more fun much more satisfying.
I think it will just vary how quickly a girl will want to go into DFKing. Some of it may be that she has just figured out that if she wants to get guys into the VIP Room, the faster she can release the emergency brake and just let whatever happens happen, then the faster she can be collecting her money, and then be ready to collect more money from the next guy. It depends on the work environment of that SC, and on how that particular girl has decided to play it.
But there is something else which jumps out at me about the original narrative. First the high tipping, trying to outshine the other guys. This may not always be necessary or even constructive. You cannot buy her affections. She just has to know that you really like her and that you are showing respect. Carefully selected things to say to her, when she comes to round up her tips, has always worked well for me.
The other is how much talking there actually was before physical affection actually started. Not clear.
But I certainly know from zillions of experiences in AMPs, if you like it to be GFE with a girl, then the sooner you can get her DFKing with you the better. Getting her off of her usual script can induce her into turning it into GFA ( Girl Friend Audition ) and this is just completely sublime.
There have been some times when I did let her massage me on the table and we talked and got friendly, and then I just sat up and started kissing her. But most of the really intense sessions started with DFKing, and not even touching the massage table.
At SC's I think a lot of it just depends on the vibes of that environment, and what she is being encouraged to do. I have seen girls who were giving a little bit of very nice DFKing while on stage, to anyone who put $1 on the rail.
Most of all what I have found is that in AMPs and SC's it works extremely well when somehow I am able to get the girl off script and someone short circuit the usual selection process, so that she already has a different sort of relationship with me. Girls like it when a guy shows that he is not afraid to approach them, and they like it when for some reason they can see that he really likes them above all others.
Just tipping her during one stage set may not cause this. There has to be some talk too, and it may take a few sets, and sometimes it may not work at all. They like guys who are able to be open about themselves and who are not easily made to feel insecure, who can be laid back, but who can be assertive when necessary. The girls are competitive, and so when a guy indicates which one he wants, he is playing his strongest card. You will only get one chance to do this with a girl and she will always remember it, and once you have done it, if she doesn't go for it, you don't have much left for the others.
As we see from this forum, many guys really don't want much from these girls, beyond what is mechanical. So they may often respond well with someone who is not like this.
I certainly agree that the one who has mastered this realm and who clearly demonstrates it over and over is Jestrite50. You want to get her DFKing before going into any booths or VIP Rooms with her. I have always been skeptical of SC FS, and even at its peak, when Terrance Hallinan was San Francisco DA, I sat on the sidelines. Front room extensive DFKing is the key to making SC FS what it should be, like at the TJ Hong Kong Bar.
Yes, they like bad boys, at least certain types of bad boys. And when they find one, they really give it up. Bad boys are people who try to make their own rules.
In lots of the South Bay AMPs I was doing girls in, they were taken completely by surprise when I started kissing them. I would kiss her until her knees softened, and then transfer her to my lap and continue. Sure, it takes some words too to keep her going with it. But in others, like in SF, where they were doing a higher percentage of FS, then kissing was just standard and so they just immediately went full throttle with it, but they were not surprised.
I wouldn't have even been with the girl if I didn't want to make GFE styled sex happen with her. I am glad we are talking about this here on TUSCL:
1. Many TUSCLers don't seem to see it this way at all. They treat their favorite strippers as vending machines.
2. Situations in San Francisco when it should have been possible to make it go this way, it was not because those places are set up as clip joints. That is they impose too many rules and regulations and the reason for this is to make more money for the house and actually limit the typical mileage. They convince the dancers that this is protecting their income, but this premise is false. Need to get around some legal restrictions and make the Bay Area strip club industry competitive.
SJG, Yup. Nothing says bad boy more than walking into a strip club with candy and roses. Btw?...are you going to preach and repeat yourself every post?
Duke69 has really done it. We've been talking about this stuff for quite a while, and then Jestrite50 affirmed that this is how it can go and how it usually goes for him. Well now Duke69 has made it happen. Others are getting "extras" and an "extras" style of FS, after they reply to the dancer trying to sell them a dance.
Well Duke69 has taken the initiative himself, gotten her off script, and engaged in verbal courting and then physical foreplay, and diverted to the VIP at just the right point.
I don't know if he has gotten her off the clock and into his own bed and making his breakfast yet. He should do that, just to show some of you jaded types here on TUSCL how nice it can be. If he is not going to do it with this one, I'm sure he will do it with the next one.
We shouldn't be talking about "mileage" and "extras". We should be talking about what it takes to make escort grade GFE sessions happen. Mostly it seems to come down to the external parameters. I mean, think of the TJ Hong Kong Bar and how that is set up. Things routinely go quite far before you even talk to the girl about going up to your room. And then the rooms are set up for lengthy sessions, with napping and all.
We should be figuring out how to make it go that way here, instead of supporting these clip joints where they use booths and VIP Room just to make more money for the house, while actually limiting the mileage and the quality.
I take my hat off to Duke69. DKFing and FOV/FIVing a stripper in the front room, and then banging her on the floor of the VIP Room is not candy and roses. Sure, you do have to learn how to talk to her and how to get the vibes between you and she going well from the start. You have to know how to engage with her. But this is not candy and roses.
Anyone who gets her off the script of selling dances and then administering "extras" FS, and instead gets her to surrender and let you have your way with her, is being a bad boy, at least the kind of bad boy that I look up to. Like I said, the next step will be his own bed, so that he can go through many rounds of pumping loads into her.
That Duke69, he's banging a dolled up hottie, probably 25 years younger than he is, on the floor of the VIP Room, "making love" as he calls it now. He hasn't even known her an hour. And this isn't this "extras" FS either. She just started giving it up to him in the front room. She let him "have his way with her". If that doesn't qualify Duke69 as a bad boy, my kind of bad boy, then I don't know what would. I can't think of how there could ever be any better example of how to club either.
I think Duke69's post should be considered a major milestone in the history of this TUSCL Forum.
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But there is something else which jumps out at me about the original narrative. First the high tipping, trying to outshine the other guys. This may not always be necessary or even constructive. You cannot buy her affections. She just has to know that you really like her and that you are showing respect. Carefully selected things to say to her, when she comes to round up her tips, has always worked well for me.
The other is how much talking there actually was before physical affection actually started. Not clear.
But I certainly know from zillions of experiences in AMPs, if you like it to be GFE with a girl, then the sooner you can get her DFKing with you the better. Getting her off of her usual script can induce her into turning it into GFA ( Girl Friend Audition ) and this is just completely sublime.
There have been some times when I did let her massage me on the table and we talked and got friendly, and then I just sat up and started kissing her. But most of the really intense sessions started with DFKing, and not even touching the massage table.
At SC's I think a lot of it just depends on the vibes of that environment, and what she is being encouraged to do. I have seen girls who were giving a little bit of very nice DFKing while on stage, to anyone who put $1 on the rail.
Most of all what I have found is that in AMPs and SC's it works extremely well when somehow I am able to get the girl off script and someone short circuit the usual selection process, so that she already has a different sort of relationship with me. Girls like it when a guy shows that he is not afraid to approach them, and they like it when for some reason they can see that he really likes them above all others.
Just tipping her during one stage set may not cause this. There has to be some talk too, and it may take a few sets, and sometimes it may not work at all. They like guys who are able to be open about themselves and who are not easily made to feel insecure, who can be laid back, but who can be assertive when necessary. The girls are competitive, and so when a guy indicates which one he wants, he is playing his strongest card. You will only get one chance to do this with a girl and she will always remember it, and once you have done it, if she doesn't go for it, you don't have much left for the others.
As we see from this forum, many guys really don't want much from these girls, beyond what is mechanical. So they may often respond well with someone who is not like this.
I certainly agree that the one who has mastered this realm and who clearly demonstrates it over and over is Jestrite50. You want to get her DFKing before going into any booths or VIP Rooms with her. I have always been skeptical of SC FS, and even at its peak, when Terrance Hallinan was San Francisco DA, I sat on the sidelines. Front room extensive DFKing is the key to making SC FS what it should be, like at the TJ Hong Kong Bar.
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SJG
White Snake
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In lots of the South Bay AMPs I was doing girls in, they were taken completely by surprise when I started kissing them. I would kiss her until her knees softened, and then transfer her to my lap and continue. Sure, it takes some words too to keep her going with it. But in others, like in SF, where they were doing a higher percentage of FS, then kissing was just standard and so they just immediately went full throttle with it, but they were not surprised.
I wouldn't have even been with the girl if I didn't want to make GFE styled sex happen with her. I am glad we are talking about this here on TUSCL:
1. Many TUSCLers don't seem to see it this way at all. They treat their favorite strippers as vending machines.
2. Situations in San Francisco when it should have been possible to make it go this way, it was not because those places are set up as clip joints. That is they impose too many rules and regulations and the reason for this is to make more money for the house and actually limit the typical mileage. They convince the dancers that this is protecting their income, but this premise is false. Need to get around some legal restrictions and make the Bay Area strip club industry competitive.
SJG
Duke69 has really done it. We've been talking about this stuff for quite a while, and then Jestrite50 affirmed that this is how it can go and how it usually goes for him. Well now Duke69 has made it happen. Others are getting "extras" and an "extras" style of FS, after they reply to the dancer trying to sell them a dance.
Well Duke69 has taken the initiative himself, gotten her off script, and engaged in verbal courting and then physical foreplay, and diverted to the VIP at just the right point.
I don't know if he has gotten her off the clock and into his own bed and making his breakfast yet. He should do that, just to show some of you jaded types here on TUSCL how nice it can be. If he is not going to do it with this one, I'm sure he will do it with the next one.
We shouldn't be talking about "mileage" and "extras". We should be talking about what it takes to make escort grade GFE sessions happen. Mostly it seems to come down to the external parameters. I mean, think of the TJ Hong Kong Bar and how that is set up. Things routinely go quite far before you even talk to the girl about going up to your room. And then the rooms are set up for lengthy sessions, with napping and all.
We should be figuring out how to make it go that way here, instead of supporting these clip joints where they use booths and VIP Room just to make more money for the house, while actually limiting the mileage and the quality.
I take my hat off to Duke69. DKFing and FOV/FIVing a stripper in the front room, and then banging her on the floor of the VIP Room is not candy and roses. Sure, you do have to learn how to talk to her and how to get the vibes between you and she going well from the start. You have to know how to engage with her. But this is not candy and roses.
Anyone who gets her off the script of selling dances and then administering "extras" FS, and instead gets her to surrender and let you have your way with her, is being a bad boy, at least the kind of bad boy that I look up to. Like I said, the next step will be his own bed, so that he can go through many rounds of pumping loads into her.
SJG
Why I’m Working as a Saigon Massage Girl
http://phuongdongmagazine.com/?p=221
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I think Duke69's post should be considered a major milestone in the history of this TUSCL Forum.
SJG
Miss Vietnam International, Dallas 2014
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