Tipping
jerikson40
New York
Wouldn't it be nice if strippers felt obligated to work hard to receive tips? Instead of expecting to get tips just for showing up, they put in an extra effort to EARN a tip. Instead of having the attitude "well if you don't tip me I'll get all upset and pissy and I won't perform".
And why do customers buy into this bullshit? So many of you guys have this attitude, "well, if you want her to feel good and perform you'd better tip or you're a lowlife loser". You're buying into the standard stripper manipulation bullshit.
Is it that much to expect a dancer to put in some extra effort before she gets a tip? Is it that wrong to expect her to maybe learn some awesome and sexy dance moves, or wear some really cool outfit, or be all smiles and energetic and treat her customers well FIRST?
Yeah, maybe that's too much to expect. Because there are so many customers who will fall for their stripper shit and reward dancers for doing shit, phoning in their performances, and just being lazy and arrogant. Why should they bother?
When I first started going to strip clubs many years ago, I went to this small dive where the hottest dancer I've ever seen to this day was performing. Not only was she insanely smoking hot, but she prepared these strip tease routines that matched the music. She had costumes and props and this chick would just ooze sexy and erotic. To this day she is one of the few dancers that stick in my mind as a unicorn, something that you experience only once in a lifetime, if you're lucky. I couldn't pull tips out of my pocket fast enough for that chick. Because she brought something very very special to her performance. Unlike most strippers who just get on stage, same old outfit, no energy, do her standard routine dance, and then get all pissy because guys aren't tipping her.
And why do customers buy into this bullshit? So many of you guys have this attitude, "well, if you want her to feel good and perform you'd better tip or you're a lowlife loser". You're buying into the standard stripper manipulation bullshit.
Is it that much to expect a dancer to put in some extra effort before she gets a tip? Is it that wrong to expect her to maybe learn some awesome and sexy dance moves, or wear some really cool outfit, or be all smiles and energetic and treat her customers well FIRST?
Yeah, maybe that's too much to expect. Because there are so many customers who will fall for their stripper shit and reward dancers for doing shit, phoning in their performances, and just being lazy and arrogant. Why should they bother?
When I first started going to strip clubs many years ago, I went to this small dive where the hottest dancer I've ever seen to this day was performing. Not only was she insanely smoking hot, but she prepared these strip tease routines that matched the music. She had costumes and props and this chick would just ooze sexy and erotic. To this day she is one of the few dancers that stick in my mind as a unicorn, something that you experience only once in a lifetime, if you're lucky. I couldn't pull tips out of my pocket fast enough for that chick. Because she brought something very very special to her performance. Unlike most strippers who just get on stage, same old outfit, no energy, do her standard routine dance, and then get all pissy because guys aren't tipping her.
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Just man and grow some balls and don't tip if you don't think they deserve. Try that one instead of running to us and whining here.
Mainly, the only bitching I hear is about not wanting to go on stage. It's either that or the DJ isn't putting them on stage enough. Whatever. Strippers being strippers.
Now of course they have their minimum expectations. Like if you gave them .25, they would turn up their noses at that. In most places the base line is $1, but maybe there are some places now where it is higher.
One of the explanations the girls give for why things are as they are is the emotional stress they are subjected to. It does hurt them to dance and have no one pay attention and no one tip. They want to see that they are driving you crazy, and they want you to show it with both your attention and your money. If you don't do this, they won't like you.
Other than that, I have always seen that they do work hard for their stage tips. At dives, your money does go further, and it goes further during the day time than during the night time.
Also, FWIW, I do often flirty with Denny's waitresses. And when they have gone along with me, I do tip them extra. I have not taken one home with me, yet, but I've had lots that wanted that. I was married. Now, it is going to be different, and I will be bedding down with women I've just met in lots of different towns.
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Did I just happen to pick one better than average post of his or is all the complaining about him overdone?
Saw this recently and made me laugh. The management at the club MADE the strippers thank every guy that tipped them, after they completed their set. This was a hug or peck on the cheek. A good idea showing a little customer appreciation. Here was strange part, have you ever seen half crazed 20 YO stripper try to remember every guy who gave them a buck on stage? They did their best to remember, but lots of mistakes. Had to give them A for effort.
Tipping is something that is supposed to be voluntary but in some SCs dancers make you feel like it’s an obligation on the PL’s part.
Down here in Miami there are several clubs that have a tip parade – every dancer thinks she is entitled to a tip just b/c she was on stage – again tipping is voluntary and one should tip the dancers that one wants to tip – not every dancer just b/c – and some of the dancers doing the tip-parade will just come up to you w/ not even a smile and just pull their g-string aside and ask for a tip – wtf – even worse; there are dancers that use the tip-parade to hit up custies for tips even when they have not been on stage – i.e. they’ll circulate the floor just like the girls that got off stage and ask for tips making the PLs think they just got off stage when they did not.
In Miami LDs are $25 for a 3-mintue dance – I think that is payment enough – I sometimes still tip and extra $5 or $10 but only if I’m in the mood and feel the dancer treated me well.
But; I mostly go to black dives here in Miami where dances are usually $5 and sometimes $10 – I do almost always tip under these circumstances especially since I def get more mileage in the black clubs with the $5 dances than I do in the white clubs with the $25 dances.
Since jerikson only goes to dive clubs, and gets dances for .45 cents each, it's no wonder that she is always asked to tip. However, I do understand that a dishwasher's salary only goes so far.
Dougster, eve a monkey typing random keys will occasionally come up with something intelligible. I wouldn't read too much into it.
There is not much need for the customers to tip as most of the girls move around like bees do from flower to flower looking for the nectar(money) doing table dances. And if a customer does go up to tip on stage he risks losing his seat to some one else. Not tipping certainly has not hurt my image or my fun.
There was this dancer who works a certain club here, I found out she really hates me to the bone.
She was dancing on stage and when I tossed a dollar to her, she gave me a scowl that I would not forget. My initial reaction was to simply stand up and move away which I did.
Then later on, I figured she could ruin my night if I don't do anything.
In the next round, she went up the stage and sure enough I went back and tossed another dollar. She passed by and just wiggled her booty.
Man she was mean, but I just kept watching her dance.
It turns out she was a mean bitch to those PLs who toss a dollar to her. Learned she has a minimum of at least two dollars.
Two dollars!!!
IMO, there is some truth to Jerikison's rant. At least in my local clubs, there's a number of girls who go up on stage and don't do shit until after they get tipped. Meaning, they keep their clothes on and and basically stand by the pole. Others approach customers and solicit tips directly. I was just at a club where a dancer did exactly that, she went up on stage and remained clothed the entire 3 song set because no one tipped her. She got off stage and came over asking if I enjoyed her dance (translation: tip me.) Luckily, the following girl was energetic and already had her top off, so my answer was pretty obvious... I just got up and tipped the girl on stage & sat back down. The next girl was like the first, so when she came over to ask for money I just got up and left, leaving half my beer on the table.
I don't see myself as a cheapskate. If the girls on stage are entertaining, I'll tip. If I enjoy a dance, I tip. I don't tip entitled, unattractive, lazy dancers though. Although, I did recently make an exception, I was kinda making a point when I did it. Fucking bitch came over and hit me up for a dance, when I declined she wagged her ass in my face pulling her g-string out to make room for a buck and either farted or failed to wipe her ass. I handed her two dollars and told her she needed to use one to wipe her ass and the other to ask the bathroom attendant to teach her some manners.
I tip the ones I like and don't tip the ones that I don't like. In my experience, others guys also give more to the hotter and more fun ones and less to the lazy and unattractive girls. Net-net, the sub-par dancers reap what they sow. So just vote with your wallet and focus and the good ones.
Dude, are you fucking serious? And after that you effectively agree with my premise, that we should pay for performance.
Let me add this to the childish debate tactics.....this one is a bit more complex. Act like you're discrediting and disagreeing with the OP, while at the same time effectively agreeing with the issue he proposed.
At the back of our male heads, we are conditioned to honor a concept that is not even possible with these ladies.
And by conditioned response some men (including me 102%) act that way.
I also don't understand why you care so much about the way that unmotivated dancers behave that you feel the need to rant over and over. Yes most clubs have a certain % of girls who behave badly. It's like saying that water is wet or that fire is hot. Just don't pay them. Simple.
I think it is no good because it ads a negative emotion to the whole thing. They should just try to get their money from the guys who sit at the stage, as those are the guys who like them and who want to tip.
But I know the reason that they do it, it is a concession to the dancers because the rules are so restrictive. They need to have some way to make money, but the club owners don't want them to feel pressed to break any rules.
In loser places, like where their can be off stage pawing and maybe even kissing, I would not think there is any need for such a tips round.
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It's simple. Poor performance by anyone in a service industry is something that is worthy of comment and critique. That's how things improve. Capitalism. And if you can get others to agree, then you can maybe begin to change attitudes and make things better on a large scale.
You seem to think the topic is not worthy of discussion or criticism, and it's something that I should deal with alone. According to you, it is what it is, and if I don't like it then I shouldn't pay. Fine, but isn't it more effective if you can get a large group of people to reconsider and start implementing a "pay for performance" attitude?
Tip Entitlement is not something we should, as a group, encourage. You seem to agree, although you also disagree. Go figure. I'm suggesting a customer revolt, or at least an awareness. You can't change attitudes until customers realize how they're being played. And as a seasoned veteran of strip clubs, I'm sure you're well aware that many customers are being played, and blindly go along because they don't know any better.
Except you, of course, because you're a seasoned veteran.
You can't compare this to other service industry jobs, as what the girls are doing is so much more personal. It hurts them greatly when no one pays any attention or gives them any money. So when you do, they really like it and it ingratiates you with them.
Of course they are all watching to see which one you really like. And they are all talking about this.
So you can't demand some level of service. It is just not like that. But I have always found that the money spent in small stage tips has been extremely worthwhile.
You can go to the Sunnyvale Brass Rail at lunch time and buy a bowl of chilly and a soft drink at the lunch counter prices. Then you can wait until your favorite girl is up, and you might just say a word or two to her first. The best stage to watch her on alone is number 2. You can feed her a series of $1 tips and she will really put out for you. You will have made a big impression on her just in how you look at her, and so you can leave feeling good, and still not have gone over $20.
Or if you want you can spend a bit more and have her sit down with you and buy her a drink and give her a bit of a sitting tip and get her lined up for civilian dating. She will really like this, but you must then follow thru with what you have initiated. Most guys don't.
The Brass Rail is a fun place. It is a cool place. It is like this because of the easy going nature of the family which started it in 1960 and has run it ever since.
When people set up more upscale or higher mileage and higher cost clubs, they often are not really fun places anymore.
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Lavish tipping is to be rare and reserved only for extraordinary situations.
The "tip walk" is an annoyance, for the reasons described by P_C it tends to keep me away from South Dade. Of the cities I visit ofthen, just about the one place I don't mind it is in Wash. DC, where the girls cannot sell lapdances at all and there's an arm's-length rule when she's onstage.
Where I live, yes, they do have to stay behind the tips rail as the clubs are no touching.
Anyway, typically you fold your money in half and put it on the rail. She will perform in front of you. Often then she will take the money and toss it to the center of the stage, suggesting that you might put more.
One place had a sign up claifiying that once you put it on the rail, it belongs to the dancer. She will not always be able to dance in front of everyone who puts money on the rail. Time may run out.
Often they will come to round up their tips from the rail and to say thank you. This can be a great time to try and say something to her.
Tipping at the stage in SC's is lots of fun, and compared to booth and VIP dances, it can be a good moderate cost way to engage.
Is it done some other way where you are at?
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One dancer likes to put her legs up around my head during a stage tip. That is fun as long as she doesn't gyrate too much. One dancer once took off my belt with her teeth during a stage tip. It sounds so boring to just put money up on the stage and hope a dancer comes over.