I'm headed to San Francisco for work next week. Wondering if there are any clubs worth visiting for a non-regular in that city? Are extras as prevalent as in Southern CA?
Good question, and I'm looking forward to the answer.
Years ago it was a fucking mecca for excellent, super high mileage clubs, with all the nastiness you might want. I *think* that has changed in recent years, but I'm not certain. Some of those clubs have closed or changed owners and it sounds like a lot of the fun is gone.
I do think that many will recommend Mitchell Bros O'Farrell Theater just because it's a fun and different place to visit. Although it's VERY expensive, but you should at least try it.
If you have plenty of cash Mitchell Bros. Theater will give you just about anything you want. It's more of a crapshoot at a Crazy Horse, but you can hit pay dirt for a lot less there if you find the right girl.
grand... You always hear how expensive Mitchell Brothers is. What are some of the fee's for extra's? If anyone knows please give a basis so people know what to go off of? I know the lappers are $40 range per song. But most of the reviews don't say how much a 1/2 hour VIP is or how much they paid in extra's. I am curious because I might be having a lay over flight in SF and might just spend the night before flying out the next morning. No better way to spend a few hours of a short stay than in a titty bar.
It's been a while since I was there, but initial prices quoted for"fun" in a cabana were in the $500-600 range. Didn't even want to start negotiating from that point.
For extras, Mitchell Bros and Crazy Horse. Do not go to any of the other extras clubs, they are either full of ROBs, horrible looking ghetto girls, or both.
MB prices have come way down, especially on dayshift, for some truly beautiful women. In fact, MB prices are competitive with CH prices now (more on this soon). Guys are saying that, including booth fees, they're getting BJs for $250-$350 and FS for $350-$400. Still pretty hefty, I realize, but not grand's $500-$600. I strongly suggest you try dayshift, not night. Be sure to negotiate with the booth fee in mind, the price she's quoting you probably does NOT include the booth fee.
CH is more of a crapshoot across the board. Not all girls do extras, and 90% of the ones that do extras only do HJ. There's often a few good looking girls, but sometimes not. Prices for a HJ at CH are better, but not much better, than a HJ at MB.
Are you only looking for extras? Hustler and Gold Club are non-extras alcohol clubs that can be incredibly fun during day shift (not worth going night shift, IMO)
The SF strip club scene is surprisingly weak for a city with such a prominent role in the sexual revolution. MBOT is fun but the prices are unrealistically high. CH was OK but private dances were also quite pricey. I recommend a visit to MBOT just for the spectacle but if you don't find what you're looking for, you can make an appointment at a local massage parlor. The feds seem to have closed down myredbook which was a helpful site for identifying massage parlors, etc. in the Bay area. I'm not sure where else to go for San Fran information (maybe rubmaps or backpage?). Hopefully locals will have some helpful information.
Deja Vu taking over literally every single strip club in the city except for MBOT and CH (and Lusty Lady also, but that place was horrible) was a complete disaster for SCers, and explains the state of the scene. As I said, though, MB's prices have come down in the past year or two
With RB gone, harder to figure things out. BP has always been for bottom-tier, IMO. Eros Guide and City Vibe are better bets for bodyrubs and AMPs... but you're still going in without reviews
As I know, the glory days in SF where when Willy Brown was Mayor and Terrance Halinan was DA. Those were the 90's. That was when Market St. Cinema and New Century added these huge and totally private rooms.
But those days are gone. Market St. Cinema is gone. New Century seems to still have those rooms, but their new ones are smaller. So I don't know what goes on in there.
I think some of these places run by promoting an open ended fantasy. That is nothing is technically ruled out, it is just so expensive and so subject to time and space constraints that it very rarely happens. So what they do is just clip people of their money without providing much, because that it what a lot of guys want, to be clipped.
My own experience with DeJa Vu is that they impose arbitrary limits with no legal basis. Mostly, minimal touching, no lap sitting, and no kissing, except in the dance booths. What this does is give power to the dancers. Sure, some of them will do all these things and extras in the booths, but it is real expensive and time limited. And also, using the booth gives them more power. So I am concerned about DeJa Vu owning New Century. Also, at a club of theirs years ago in SF, they had translucent ceiling panels to watch the dancers. Dancers could do more, when the boss was not there and by paying off bouncers. Still not really good for you. Still lake that today? Have they indeed destroyed New Century?
MBOT never was a FS place, as I know.
Crazy Horse has always been the place for the most kinky eclectic, and bohemian girls. It and they are an object of fantasy for me. But isn't it mostly HJ? Some call it a "jack shack". Years ago their was talk of rubber gloves and condoms.
Here I look at the floor plan. You can see there are two sections of booths. One section a bit larger than the other. Click on a section to expand it. It looks like there are chairs bolted to the floor. It would be hard to do too much in there and that is probably the intent. Again, they may be watching from through the ceiling, just like they do in the Vegas casinos.
They say for $5 at a time you can get a sort of mini lap dance when the girl is on the stage. Just stand at the stage, and try it.
But I would still say to make it like the best, need to find a place where the girls will sit on your lap and make out with you and go for FOV or FIV, and do this in the main room. Maybe the money they get doing this is less? Or maybe not. Maybe they can just move from one guy to another and actually make more money, while other girls spend their time negotiating and getting nothing. If a girl jumps on your lap and starts kissing you, she is usually going to start getting money, and not have to give any to the house. Do first, talk later, works better than trying to talk the guy into going into the booth.
If they will make out with you while you still are in effective control by handing them smaller increments of money, then that is the girl worth handing more money to and going into the booth with. That is the girl with taking home with you and keeping! Are any places in SF still like this?
Lap dancing used to mean sitting on laps. There were no booths or back rooms.
Some said at New Century, some said at Crazy Horse, they still do this. But I still do not know. Please, someone who knows try to help us out.
If no other way, try going up to the Crazy Horse stage and giving her $5 and letting her do her stuff. Then give her another $5 or even $10 and try to get her to engage in open tongue kissing with you. They kiss girls that way. They should kiss us. We need to take control of the situation. We are the ones paying for it!
If the girl will make out on your lap for modest money, then she is letting all her emotional barriers down. It is not about health issues, it is about girls who don't want to be falling in love with every client.
If she will make out with our in the main room, then if you take her into booths or back rooms for FS, it will be mind blowing. And of course you will both fall in love with each other.
It's been a long, long time since I've been at the MBOT. It was the Willy Brown era. Back then, the Ultra Room was the discount option. The booths were open to the performance area and girls would enter your private booth and give you a HJ for about $100. They expected a fast interaction. I assume those days are gone.
I didn't realize that Market St. Cinema was actually closed now. Apparently about a year ago they shut down, early 2013. Too bad. That was a fun place.
Started as a big, legit movie theater, and when it converted to a strip club in the '70's they kept the theater, including the auditorium seats, and had a big T-shaped stage for the dancers. And then in back were the different theme rooms. Pretty cool.
There was a small movie theater where dancers would come in and you could have fun in the auditorium seats while watching porn or whatever on the big screen. HJ's, BJ's, etc. And there was a wall dancing area at the top of the theater aisles where some craziness would happen. Damn. And behind that an actual strip club with some small stages. And some other rooms I don't recall very well. I think a room with booths or something.
Unfortunately the girls were quite often pretty skanky when I visited, but occasionally you'd hit pay dirt. And they'd usually have some features who'd give laps and shit.
It was a cool place. Great place to just wander around and see what's going on. Shitty neighborhood, but if you were in the mood for a lot of skaniness in a filthy, skanky club, it was pretty awesome.
"...days will be impossible for me due to business... for nights it sounds like CH is going to be better than MBOT?"
Dude, since you haven't given any info on what you're looking for, "better" doesn't mean much. What kind of girls, what's your budget, whats "good" in your mind, do you need extras, etc.
Personally, I'd shy away from MBOT because of the prices. Chicks are generally pretty hot there, but it's always a coin toss based on the night, who's working that shift, and what you're looking for. MBOT does have the theme rooms if that's fun for you.
Crazy Horse used to be pretty good because of an almost all-Asian cast of hotties, but it was also expensive.
So I'd say give both a shot and see what you like.
If extras are a must-have, I would definitely plan on hitting MBOT at some point. You might hit CH first... depending on how picky you are, you may find all you want right there (remember, HJ only for the most part, and at night, there's fewer girls who will do even that). On the other hand, it's not uncommon for me not to find many girls I like at CH. At MBOT, the girls are beautiful, and it's just a matter of finding someone to meet your price. Get there before 10 and there's far better deals.
There is a problem here with just talking about "extras" or things like "high mileage". These terms are too vague, and this has been a problem before on other threads when people were asking for info about a city they would be visiting.
Some people want HJ - BJ and are comfortable with tight time limits and not concerned about blue balls situations.
Others want more time. Others would be happy to be ridden and to have that done quickly.
Others are going to want DFK and making out. Often that goes with FS ITC done with enough time and space to put the girl on her back and do a good job with her.
People interact with women differently and have their own different response patterns.
There is a need for more specificity.
Some do not really care about ITC mileage, but would be better just with casual talking at a low cost, and then OTC.
Likewise, some are offended if all the dancers are not 9 or better, as this is what they want to see and they want the dancers to be approaching them.
For me, that scale does not mean much. A girl might appeal to me, even if she does not rate very high. It is the whole persona which gets to me. If I can find her, I will approach her, and so the rest of the dancers and that scale won't matter. So long as I can cozy up to her in at least some manner, I'm happy as a clam.
So much greater specificity is needing in this sort of conversation or it only creates more confusion.
Calling someone an idiot because they took time to write out a decent post that was well thought out is a bit ridiculous...
What I am looking for would be CFS. Dancer does not need to be a 9 or 10, but needs to be someone with a good personality and that I'd have a relaxed and fun time with. A good ride would be great to get. Used to typically paying $200 or less for this ITC, but can pay more given that this is a higher-cost area.
Fantastic! At Asian Massage places in Santa Clara County, CFS can be had for less money than that. They just don't promote it.
In San Francisco, the cost is a bit less, and I think the girls really do promote it.
But Asian Massage girls are not strippers. They don't appeal to the same sort of fantasy's, they are of a totally different culture.
So lets see if people want to get this specific about the SF clubs. Maybe someone can PM you something if they don't want to post it.
I think the CH booths are too small, but maybe it still happens. The reputation of CH has always been Jack Shack. NC was one of the FS places. It has some booths big enough, but not all of them. But they may price it very high just to discourage it. With DeJa Vu owning it I would be suspicious. Though others say DeJa Vu COI can be FS.
Don't know about MBOT. It never had a reputation as an FS place. You got to consider also, MBOT is a world famous name. The name is worth more at lesser mileage than it would be to risk it by pushing the envelope. Other people without such names and land mark locations might be more interested in pushing the envelope.
How important is it to you which girl it is to be? What I mean is, for me it is all about finding a girl I like, and then me approaching her. And then of course FS will be the supreme culmination.
But for some people I know it is not really like this. They will like it better if hot looking girls are approaching them and indicating what is available. And if there is a girl who will do more than the others, then they will go for it.
I like very much girls who go all out. But for me, approaching her and making her know that I am doing this, is a big part of it.
In SC's girls will approach guys, because they want to make it happen and not waste time. But my own observation is that if you approach them and let them see that you are selecting them over and above the others, that still really gets to them and it carries both short term and long term weight with them.
Of course using stage tipping to start getting friendly with them is always a good way.
Most of the time if a girl approaches me, I'll just listen to what she is saying, because I do need that kind of basic info. But most likely I will then just politely tell her, "maybe later", and then, armed with that information, go on to select my own girl. The girl may not really offer more "mileage" than she otherwise would have, but she will put more of herself into it.
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Years ago it was a fucking mecca for excellent, super high mileage clubs, with all the nastiness you might want. I *think* that has changed in recent years, but I'm not certain. Some of those clubs have closed or changed owners and it sounds like a lot of the fun is gone.
I do think that many will recommend Mitchell Bros O'Farrell Theater just because it's a fun and different place to visit. Although it's VERY expensive, but you should at least try it.
Other than that I have no clue.
MB prices have come way down, especially on dayshift, for some truly beautiful women. In fact, MB prices are competitive with CH prices now (more on this soon). Guys are saying that, including booth fees, they're getting BJs for $250-$350 and FS for $350-$400. Still pretty hefty, I realize, but not grand's $500-$600. I strongly suggest you try dayshift, not night. Be sure to negotiate with the booth fee in mind, the price she's quoting you probably does NOT include the booth fee.
CH is more of a crapshoot across the board. Not all girls do extras, and 90% of the ones that do extras only do HJ. There's often a few good looking girls, but sometimes not. Prices for a HJ at CH are better, but not much better, than a HJ at MB.
With RB gone, harder to figure things out. BP has always been for bottom-tier, IMO. Eros Guide and City Vibe are better bets for bodyrubs and AMPs... but you're still going in without reviews
But those days are gone. Market St. Cinema is gone. New Century seems to still have those rooms, but their new ones are smaller. So I don't know what goes on in there.
I think some of these places run by promoting an open ended fantasy. That is nothing is technically ruled out, it is just so expensive and so subject to time and space constraints that it very rarely happens. So what they do is just clip people of their money without providing much, because that it what a lot of guys want, to be clipped.
My own experience with DeJa Vu is that they impose arbitrary limits with no legal basis. Mostly, minimal touching, no lap sitting, and no kissing, except in the dance booths. What this does is give power to the dancers. Sure, some of them will do all these things and extras in the booths, but it is real expensive and time limited. And also, using the booth gives them more power. So I am concerned about DeJa Vu owning New Century. Also, at a club of theirs years ago in SF, they had translucent ceiling panels to watch the dancers. Dancers could do more, when the boss was not there and by paying off bouncers. Still not really good for you. Still lake that today? Have they indeed destroyed New Century?
MBOT never was a FS place, as I know.
Crazy Horse has always been the place for the most kinky eclectic, and bohemian girls. It and they are an object of fantasy for me. But isn't it mostly HJ? Some call it a "jack shack". Years ago their was talk of rubber gloves and condoms.
Here I look at the floor plan. You can see there are two sections of booths. One section a bit larger than the other. Click on a section to expand it. It looks like there are chairs bolted to the floor. It would be hard to do too much in there and that is probably the intent. Again, they may be watching from through the ceiling, just like they do in the Vegas casinos.
http://www.crazyhorse-sf.com/floorplan.h…
They say for $5 at a time you can get a sort of mini lap dance when the girl is on the stage. Just stand at the stage, and try it.
But I would still say to make it like the best, need to find a place where the girls will sit on your lap and make out with you and go for FOV or FIV, and do this in the main room. Maybe the money they get doing this is less? Or maybe not. Maybe they can just move from one guy to another and actually make more money, while other girls spend their time negotiating and getting nothing. If a girl jumps on your lap and starts kissing you, she is usually going to start getting money, and not have to give any to the house. Do first, talk later, works better than trying to talk the guy into going into the booth.
If they will make out with you while you still are in effective control by handing them smaller increments of money, then that is the girl worth handing more money to and going into the booth with. That is the girl with taking home with you and keeping! Are any places in SF still like this?
Lap dancing used to mean sitting on laps. There were no booths or back rooms.
Some said at New Century, some said at Crazy Horse, they still do this. But I still do not know. Please, someone who knows try to help us out.
If no other way, try going up to the Crazy Horse stage and giving her $5 and letting her do her stuff. Then give her another $5 or even $10 and try to get her to engage in open tongue kissing with you. They kiss girls that way. They should kiss us. We need to take control of the situation. We are the ones paying for it!
If the girl will make out on your lap for modest money, then she is letting all her emotional barriers down. It is not about health issues, it is about girls who don't want to be falling in love with every client.
If she will make out with our in the main room, then if you take her into booths or back rooms for FS, it will be mind blowing. And of course you will both fall in love with each other.
SJG
Started as a big, legit movie theater, and when it converted to a strip club in the '70's they kept the theater, including the auditorium seats, and had a big T-shaped stage for the dancers. And then in back were the different theme rooms. Pretty cool.
There was a small movie theater where dancers would come in and you could have fun in the auditorium seats while watching porn or whatever on the big screen. HJ's, BJ's, etc. And there was a wall dancing area at the top of the theater aisles where some craziness would happen. Damn. And behind that an actual strip club with some small stages. And some other rooms I don't recall very well. I think a room with booths or something.
Unfortunately the girls were quite often pretty skanky when I visited, but occasionally you'd hit pay dirt. And they'd usually have some features who'd give laps and shit.
It was a cool place. Great place to just wander around and see what's going on. Shitty neighborhood, but if you were in the mood for a lot of skaniness in a filthy, skanky club, it was pretty awesome.
Dude, since you haven't given any info on what you're looking for, "better" doesn't mean much. What kind of girls, what's your budget, whats "good" in your mind, do you need extras, etc.
Personally, I'd shy away from MBOT because of the prices. Chicks are generally pretty hot there, but it's always a coin toss based on the night, who's working that shift, and what you're looking for. MBOT does have the theme rooms if that's fun for you.
Crazy Horse used to be pretty good because of an almost all-Asian cast of hotties, but it was also expensive.
So I'd say give both a shot and see what you like.
There is a problem here with just talking about "extras" or things like "high mileage". These terms are too vague, and this has been a problem before on other threads when people were asking for info about a city they would be visiting.
Some people want HJ - BJ and are comfortable with tight time limits and not concerned about blue balls situations.
Others want more time. Others would be happy to be ridden and to have that done quickly.
Others are going to want DFK and making out. Often that goes with FS ITC done with enough time and space to put the girl on her back and do a good job with her.
People interact with women differently and have their own different response patterns.
There is a need for more specificity.
Some do not really care about ITC mileage, but would be better just with casual talking at a low cost, and then OTC.
Likewise, some are offended if all the dancers are not 9 or better, as this is what they want to see and they want the dancers to be approaching them.
For me, that scale does not mean much. A girl might appeal to me, even if she does not rate very high. It is the whole persona which gets to me. If I can find her, I will approach her, and so the rest of the dancers and that scale won't matter. So long as I can cozy up to her in at least some manner, I'm happy as a clam.
So much greater specificity is needing in this sort of conversation or it only creates more confusion.
SJG
What I am looking for would be CFS. Dancer does not need to be a 9 or 10, but needs to be someone with a good personality and that I'd have a relaxed and fun time with. A good ride would be great to get. Used to typically paying $200 or less for this ITC, but can pay more given that this is a higher-cost area.
In San Francisco, the cost is a bit less, and I think the girls really do promote it.
But Asian Massage girls are not strippers. They don't appeal to the same sort of fantasy's, they are of a totally different culture.
So lets see if people want to get this specific about the SF clubs. Maybe someone can PM you something if they don't want to post it.
I think the CH booths are too small, but maybe it still happens. The reputation of CH has always been Jack Shack. NC was one of the FS places. It has some booths big enough, but not all of them. But they may price it very high just to discourage it. With DeJa Vu owning it I would be suspicious. Though others say DeJa Vu COI can be FS.
Don't know about MBOT. It never had a reputation as an FS place. You got to consider also, MBOT is a world famous name. The name is worth more at lesser mileage than it would be to risk it by pushing the envelope. Other people without such names and land mark locations might be more interested in pushing the envelope.
SF is not so FS as it used to be.
Good luck!
SJG
How important is it to you which girl it is to be? What I mean is, for me it is all about finding a girl I like, and then me approaching her. And then of course FS will be the supreme culmination.
But for some people I know it is not really like this. They will like it better if hot looking girls are approaching them and indicating what is available. And if there is a girl who will do more than the others, then they will go for it.
I like very much girls who go all out. But for me, approaching her and making her know that I am doing this, is a big part of it.
In SC's girls will approach guys, because they want to make it happen and not waste time. But my own observation is that if you approach them and let them see that you are selecting them over and above the others, that still really gets to them and it carries both short term and long term weight with them.
Of course using stage tipping to start getting friendly with them is always a good way.
Most of the time if a girl approaches me, I'll just listen to what she is saying, because I do need that kind of basic info. But most likely I will then just politely tell her, "maybe later", and then, armed with that information, go on to select my own girl. The girl may not really offer more "mileage" than she otherwise would have, but she will put more of herself into it.
Which way to you like it?
SJG