An Idea of A Different Way of Running a Club

We had some discussions along these lines before. I think a monitor where you could flip through pictures and then press a button to get your selection to come visit you is one approach.

This one thing I like about the bunny ranch. They are sticking to their guns and doing a lineup off the bat. If you can't decide just say it's between a and b and those two should come visit you at the bar to help you make up your mind.

The girls might even like my first suggestion above. They could then hang our in the dressing room until "buzzed".

Sounds like the AMP methodology a bit.

@Dougster...the monitor/kiosk seems way too distant. Nowhere near as interesting as seeing the girls themselves and how they move and perform.

And that is an important distinction. The whole rationale of the strip club being an 'adult cabaret' and not just a flat-out brothel is that there is a stage performance going on.

Oh, I didn't say kill the stage shows have them in addition.

Supposedly the Mustang ranch is moving to the hybrid approach, although I saw little evidence of it last time I was there. Definitely seems like a winner to me. Just have to get prostitution legalized in all States. (Also I knew a couple of OTC girls who bated dancing on stage and word is many escorts do, so make the stage shows optional for them, maybe charge them an extra fee as rick's used to di if they don't want to go up.) _

As annoying as it may be to the customer, a good portion of money is made by "hustling" dances. If they didn't do that there would be more people sitting around watching. Rightly or wrongly that translates to less money to the customers and owner (assuming they take a cut).

@Alucard....Well, maybe a bit but not exactly. At an AMP there would not be any performance dimension: no music, no theatrical lighting, no dancing. You can't go to an AMP and sit there and relax with your drink while you make up your mind. In addition AMP do not have cover charges.

I wonder if a SC like this might not attract the high end dancer. I think it takes away from the "independent contractor" aspect. Obviously there might be customers they don't want to dance for (bad experience the last time etc) so they don't come out at all while that customer is there and ergo doesn't make as much money. They wouldn't work there very long and go to a club where they had a bit more say. So you end up with the dancers who have a tough time getting dances because they are not as hot as the others.
I think clubs who do lineups have a similar aspect, the only problem with lineups is many of the girls go back to the dressing room or back to the bar after the lineup. If it was mandatory at these times to walk around for say 2-3 songs after the lineup it could have the same effect as what you are talking about. You could grab someone you had your eye on for dances. The question then is how often do you do the lineup? Every hour ... two hours? Just my two cents.

@jester214...Not only is hustling dances how most of the money is made to the club it is also almost the only way the dancers make money.

I see the dancers actually dancing differently in this system. The stage performance becomes act one of the hustle rather than an obligation to the club. Particularly since if signaled the dancer can come straight to the customer's chair without even having to wait for the end of the song.

As I see it the system doesn't just get A dancer next to the customer it gets the right dancer next to the customer faster. That in going to result in more dances sold.

I am principally seeing this work in smaller clubs where no part of the seating area is more than say 25 feet from the stage and the sound turned down enough so that something said from the stage to a customer, like "yeah, you want me to come down there and sit on your lap, don't you?" would actually be heard.

@rh48hr....From what I hear dancers HATE the scheduled lineup almost as much as they HATE the dance rotation and some clubs make a fair deal of money charging tip-outs to get out of doing them. The reason is the same, they force the dancer to stop what they were doing and be ready for it. Under this system a dancer is never left with having 20 minutes before the lineup or her scheduled time, wanting to sell a dance to a customer, but worried about being penalized for missing her scheduled appearance.

Now I agree, the A-plus dancers who will have a guy beckoning them to come over seconds after they hit the stage will be able to do very well under this system, particularly if they can be back on the stage quickly after finishing with one customer. On the other hand the C-minus girl is going to think 'OMG I might have to appear naked on stage next to HER!' and work elsewhere. On the other hand we all know B-minus girls who bring an A-plus sexy self-confident personality to the stage. They should do fine.

Other fine-tuning thoughts. Once a dancer comes to the stage if it becomes apparent that nothing is going to shake loose they do not have to stay but can go back to the dressing room (fix makeup, change costume etc.) until they are ready to try again. Also if a customer beckons a dancer to sit with him and does not buy a private dance soon enough to the dancer's patience she is perfectly free to make a POLITE farewell and return to the stage.

But if a customer is basing their choices strictly on physical looks, how do the B-minus or C-minus dancers get a chance to mingle and win over the customers that would like her personality and didn't care so much for looks or stage presence?

@lopaw: think! How do the B- and C- girls survive in brothels with lineups?

I don't know. As Dougster mentioned, it does have a Bunny Ranch-esque feel to it. It would take some getting used to.

A long time ago at one Deja Vu club, when they ran their flashing red night specials, the girls who didn't get a dance had to stand on stage for a "loser's" dance. Seemed pretty humiliating. The dancers that don't get picked in your scenario might feel the same way.

inno123, I'd have to see it in action.

Lopaw, I guess we still have to do a Personal interview. I think several minutes of talk is a better way to pick a dancer for VIP Room activities. I have to see if there is some sort of chemistry. ( How I met my present ATF)

^ “win over the customers that would like her personality and didn't care so much for looks or stage presence”

Huh? What are you a chick or something?

I like things the way they are. The only reason I may look at a lineup is to get a better idea of the dancers working, even though the lineups I see usually do not have all the dancers show up on stage who are working that night.
Reasons: I don't mind dancers coming over to me, sitting on my lap, (usually that is, not always). Plus I can get an immediate idea if she has bad bo or smells fantastic and can get rid of her immediately if she smells bad. Plus I feel like I can get a better price on lap dances if she is asking me. If I had called her over to me first, she would know I was interested. I would probably rarely get dances from unfamilar dancers if not for the hustle factor.

From what I've seen of the Bunny Ranch on TV most of them are B or C girls, so I'd say they survive by not having good competition and also by undercutting each other in price.

@inno, I still see a lot of guys just sitting there watching, whereas under the current common system they get pressured into dances. I think it's a fun idea in a way but I just don't see it as practical from a business standpoint.

I ask for three line ups this year at the brothels around Reno. One at the mustang ranch which had Bs but no A's, one at the wild horse which had a couple of As, and one at the bunny ranch which had one A (I noticed another "A" as I was leaving but she must have been busy with another customer at lineup time). So pretty good. I went with the A's in each case (and paid through the nose).

But, in any case, the average was way better than anything you would find at the Olympic Gardens with it's D's and lowers, which appears to be jestie-girls taste.

@lopaw: That last sentence of my previous should answer how answer how the not so great looking girls get by. Taste vary from person to person, and there are guys like jestie into the lower end of the bell cruve.

If I thought it had actually been to any of the places mentioned I'd probably care more about its opinion.

Thus speaks the jestie-girl whose club of choice in Vegas is the dump known as the OG. 'Nuff said.

@Papi_Chulo - DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I'll assume that you were trying to be clever with that, but you should have at least thrown in a smilie face or sumthin'.

With that being said - there have been a few times that a dancer was not my type physically and less than an a "5" in my book, but when she approached & we chatted abit we hit it off and she wound up offering UUUUHM in the back. So yeah - it's a valid question.

"Compared to the typical setup the customer feels in control. They get to decide when they want and who they want."

I think the dancers want to be in control of the situation, and will not relinquish the opportunity to be aloof, play hard to get or otherwise engage in meaningless stripper shit. It's the reason so many clubs generally suck. Besides, changing to the suggested method would require more organization that most strip club managers could accomplish.

Sounds like the holding tank of a jail. :)

Second most number of reviews in Vegas, .3 less overall rating than the 2nd highest rated club in Vegas. Yeah, real dump.

Thanks for all the replies.

@Lopaw...Nothing requires a customer to buy a dance from and dancer they have gestured to come sit with them. So if you are slightly curious about a dancer and then it turns out that their voice or conversation is grating no big deal.

@Motorhead...There is no fixed on and off times. Dancers can enter and leave in the middle of a song even. So there is no sudden moment when it is determined that the dancer has 'lost' and certainly no 'loser's dance'. If nothing is going to shake loose for a girl in a particular crowd she is the one who decides to take a break.

@mmdv26...In some respects the dancer has more control over the situation because they are not constrained by the lineup and dance rotation, and as you said, it is one of the reasons why clubs suck. As to the work of the managers it is actually far less. Under the standard systems the managers have to coordinate a dancer rotation schedule, and then be constantly changing it on the fly as events change. It is a real pain that is completely removed in this method.

@sharkhunter...asking the girl over does not obligate you to buy a dance, or even to keep her there for any period, but it does let you eliminate the ones that were unlikely to make the deal anyway.

I would thing a lineup would make a club look cheesy, none of the girls would like to do it, and guys would still buy a dance when they feel like it. Plus, the girls walk around, flash, flirt, and touch you anyways.

@jestie-girl: I don't know about you jestie-girl. Have you been reading "how to lie with statistics"? (You compare to the second highest rated club, and don't even mention how many clubs are between the 2nd highest rated club and the OG, for starters.)

Here's another clue. One of the old lifers you seem to be find attractive wanted to give me a handjob right out there on the floor. Maybe people are rating it that high because extras are that easy? I think people definitely skew ratings toward clubs where extras are easy with less regard to decor. But it looks like we can now add "equivocation" to your bag of disingenuity/tricks. Pea-brain.

But no prob for me. You hang around the OG when you are in Nevada and I'll stick to the mustang and bunny ranches. Have fun!

I usually do not have any trouble getting rid of a dancer that I don't want to stay. I say anything from I not really interested in a dance right now so don't let me keep you from circulating (usually works) to getting up and going to the bathroom to telling her "I'll give you a dollar to leave" ( I actully did that in a club in Indianapolis and the next girl to sit down thought it was funny as I was the first guy she had seen that had not paid the girl for at least two dances before she would leave)

I usually do not have any trouble getting rid of a dancer that I don't want to stay. I say anything from I not really interested in a dance right now so don't let me keep you from circulating (usually works) to getting up and going to the bathroom to telling her "I'll give you a dollar to leave" ( I actully did that in a club in Indianapolis and the next girl to sit down thought it was funny as I was the first guy she had seen that had not paid the girl for at least two dances before she would leave)

You tell him Fraudster. Stick to your brothels, the B and C girls exist for people like you. After all, brothels are for people that can't get laid in strip clubs.

Back to the question, dancers already are subject to a lot of rejection, putting them in a line up for rejection probably wouldn't sit well with them. It is different than an AMP because there are considerably more girls for the line up,

tittyfan: " the B and C girls exist for people like you"

And the "D" girls exist for people like the jestie-girl.

From your comments this weekend you are the one with trouble scoring OTC at the BSC, not me!

If a club offered this - I could live with it.

A club in Anaheim - California Girls - did this. DJ announced all dancers on stage. The 20-30 dancers all jiggled for 5 minutes. I think the DJ also introduced each one. Then they formed a train and customers would tap a girl they wanted for a 1 minute flash dance (for $1). Some customers kept the same girl for several minutes - at $1/minute. After 10 minutes of this - it was back to normal - stage dances - etc.

But it did result in several girls getting picked up for private dances in the dark booths at the back of the club.

Haven't seen much of that in texas. it's a free state - girls roam wild !

Nice try dugly, but if it's 1 or 10 the point is only .3 separating them. (I don't count Rooster, it's not a strip club).

Amazing she wanted to jerk you off on the floor but that's not mentioned in any other recent review. The only mention of extras in the recent reviews (or that I've seen) is in the VIP for a couple hundred at least. But no, you probably got the amazing offer of a $10 hj right out in the open! I'd say the good looking dancers hid from you, but you'd have to actually go inside for that.

Shit what do I expect you can't even decide where you found a ROB, Sapphires or Rhino. I wonder why? Cause it's all bullshit.

But seriously enjoy driving to the middle of nowhere to pay 4's a $1000 for an hour. Although since you can apparently get extra's everywhere no problem I bet that ugly old bitch that's on HBO special gave you a discount.

How are you able to read my post when you have me on ignore, jestie? :-)

I knew you wouldn't be able to stay away from me, lover! Wanna have sex later? ;-)

@rogertex....what I am thinking is considerably different than your description of the old California Girls setup.

1. There is no DJ
2. There is no specific time this occurs, it happens all the time.
3. It is not all the dancers, just the ones ready to sell private dances now.
4. There is no parade.
5. There is no dollar mini dance.

@everyone (except the flame-wars) Thanks for the comments. I now see the potential flaws and have an idea of what version 2.1 of this idea should be.

This system would absolutely suck in my humble opinion. I always feel in control anyway, so all this would do is jam me up and slow me down. I would completely lose the ease of wading through a number of dancers fairly quickly. Also, how a girl approaches can tell one a great deal about how an experience with her might be. Oh, and now I'd have to wait in line behind every bozo nursing a drink for an hour with one twenty burning a hole in his pocket.

This system may work for guys with no backbone and little money, but for those of us who can say NO and have decent money to spend on the right girl, this system would actually TAKE control away.

@rickdugan...there is nothing about the system that requires you to wait behind anybody.

Really? How is she going to handle multiple guys signaling for her at the same time? What if one guy signals first but she would rather go to someone else - does she have to go to him? These parts are your system are a little ambiguous.