Is this normal? First-timer's account of a growing resume...

What clubs are you talking about?

If you are in Las Vegas then yes you are probably overpaying but if you can afford go for it...but you did not list prices.

Two clubs in Vegas. Two in Virginia. I'm not too concerned about overpaying. I just want a quality experience without getting myself into trouble.

The three things I'm really curious about here are...

1.) Is what I'm describing a typical experience for someone who's new to this scene?

2.) Is it something I'm doing that is making these girls get clingy?

3.) Given what I want and end up getting out of these clubs are there other options out there? Is an escort like that?

Welcome. That's a pretty long intro. Hope it all works out.

1. Yes the strippers are putting on acts. They really don't give a shit about you. They pretend that they want to hook up for free with you thinking that MAYBE you will go for getting a dance or two while you are there to get to know her better.
   Read the forums on stripperweb.com where strippers post and you'll read all about their bullshit lies and stories.

2. Maybe you are going on slow nights like a Tuesday? Or maybe you are going during the dayshift when it is slower? Maybe the club in general is going downhill with a decline in business/customers so strippers are clingy on to what guys do still come in.

3. be careful about escorts because so many cops go undercover and make busts on not only the escorts but only the customers. You can get whatever you want out of the club experience depending on what club you go to.

Thanks for the tips.

-I don't think I'm a complete fool, maybe just half.

I know the girls are acting. What's throwing me is the nature of the act. I fully expect to hear that I'm good looking and for them to act interested, that's what I want. That's what I'm shopping for and expect.

What's throwing me off are these girls talking about seemingly very personal stuff like how old their kids are, what they're doing with their lives etc. Perhaps that's just another angle?

-Half my visits were Friday nights, the other half, in Vegas were late weeknights.

-I guess I'll stick with the clubs them. My logic is that I don't want sex from these girls. Just some entertaining chat and contact without the club or any attachment (not looking for a girlfriend).

I probably just answered my own question. I'm guessing the right girls would be happy to hang out and do some off the clock dances for the right price?

@wallanon:

Sorry about that. I'm posting to vent a bit and get some feedback. My friends are divided into two camps, guys for whom hookers are a given and guys who won't even go to clubs. I'm kinda the odd man out being up for the club action, but nothing more.

"Two clubs in Vegas. Two in Virginia."

I can understand being overwhelmed by the sc experience in Vegas, but...Virginia?

Bottom line...

Likely a typing mistake on your part, but when you typed, "She tried hard to give me a number and insisted it was about money, but I was way to skeptical.", that IS how it works.

@steve229:

The Virginia girls worked harder and made a better connection for me. The Vegas girls seemed so "Pro" at times that I was more concerned about getting scammed somehow than having a good time.

@clubber:

Yeah. Should have been "insisted it wasn't about money". She was trying really, really hard to get me to convince me that she was wife material and call her after her shift.

"Is it something I'm doing that is making these girls get clingy?"

I suspect you're giving off a rather, er, "emotionally needy" vibe ("I want to know who she is, a name I can believe, what her life is actually about and to believe that she wants me.") and the girls are just tailoring their pitch to that.

"She was trying really, really hard to get me to convince me that she was wife material"

So, when's the wedding?

BigMofo: While I think it's possible that the actions of these girls are sincere, I think it's much more likely that samsung1 has nailed it. Even if they are telling the truth, it's still a tactic to separate you from your money. As long as you are aware of that possibility, it's likely that you can still have a good time.

As for why they open up to you, based on my observations, some of these girls feel that they have very little to be proud of, so going on about their kids and such is their way of saying, "hey, look, I'm not so bad." It's also another in the arsenal of tactics, though, so again, just beware.

Some of these girls will dump you like a hot potato if you make it clear that you're not interested in more than chatting; they likely think they can't make money off of you. So if that really is all you want, be prepared to buy drinks and tip them to keep them around. Make it worth their while, but don't be surprised if they drop you even so.

The girls are there to make as much money as they can selling you any fantasy that works. They size you up by your dress and style as soon as you come in the door and decide from that if you have money. Conversations, in which the pretend to like you, are really financial interviews for them. Where does he work, married or single, children, car, etc. are all designed to figure out how much money you might have to throw away. The scam will hit when they share intimate details about their kids needs, hints about going to dinner or shopping. Some dancers actually calculate how many dinners a week they can get from customers just to save on their personal food budget. This is just fantasy and entertainment, don't fall in love. If you do, prepare to get used and end up broke and broken.

What, she doesn't love me?? I'm crushed !! LOL

BM,

Yes, I knew what you meant to type, but what I am saying is, it IS about the money!

I believe you summed it up best yourself...

"Am I just a sucker buying a little too hard into the act these girls are putting on, or what?"

What a really excellent thread this is. Many of the thoughts have been expressed again and again, but this thread really nails it.

YES, STRIP CLUB LIFE IS A FANTASY LIFE.

YES, The girls all have pussies, most of them have a gift for gab and and the ability to play into the guy's fantasy, whatever it is. And their only real objective is to move the guy's money from his billfold into their purse.

Having said that, it's still a lot of fun. But as was repeatedly advised, just stay loose, stay cautious, don't believe half (or 10%) of what you hear when she is trying to seduce you (one way or another) out of your money.

The first thing I always say to any dancer that I find attractive: "You got the pussy, I got the money." That sets the tone for everything that follows.

Damn. You guys paint a pretty bleak picture here.

It's not that I want to date these girls or take them out of the club, quite the opposite even. This stuff felt like desperation to me, not exactly what I was looking for.

It's shame that there can't be more mutual respect in these situations. I mean, I go out with money that I don't want to have when I get home.

Just give me a believable story and some believable chemistry followed by a nice grind and you can have all of it.

Anyway, thanks for all the feedback.

BigMofo, just enjoy. The gals are trying to make a living. If they can get us off, I'll put up with the SS. LOL

!) Just starting out, you're taking things too seriously. It's escape. Try to have more fun with it.

1. Is it typical the way you are reacting? Mostly no, but definitely not the smartest way to react. As a relative newbie, you're obsessing too much on the sociological/relationship stuff. It takes some experience to handle that so you can walk the fine line of them playing you, you playing them and detecting any sincerity in all of it (on either side).

2. Sucker? Being played? Well, yes, but don't be so negative. That's what most of them do best: great posturing, seemingly needy, suddenly connecting to you. They're selling--looking for regular customers. Understand that and you can be more alert to what you're buying-and getting.

3. Some dancers do want more, they are looking for longterm security if they don't feel that have it. Those types are not falling for you, they're looking for a roof and potential provider (or a reason to drop their current "provider" and bring you on board). Definitely buyer beware.

4. Do some play it more straight? Sure, they come across as more honest and straight forward. There's a few that you'll find but it takes time and a lot of visits.

5. Did I mention spending money? Spend money consistently and you get to see what's behind every curtain (and I'm not talking VIP). Then it's win-win (or win-lose, depending on how you feel about spending loads of money.)

Don't let them whores try and fuck with your mind, Mofo. You'll have a much better time if you just pay them to suck your dick and leave it at that. Even if you were to date one you would find, 100% of the time, that they are just batshit crazy anyway.

Ain't that the truth, Dougster. LOL, I say enjoy and not get involved, they'll try to empty your wallet everytime.

Bleak? Nah. Knowledge is power, dude. Use it to get the experience you want.

simple answer: completely normal

More complicated answer: it's a crutch, not a therapy. Your legs have been broken (not your fault! probably not any male's fault, ever!) by the North American grind. You SHOULD have access to sweet people with good looks who make you feel confident in your manliness just like you make them feel confident in their femininity. That's NORMAL HUMAN INTERCOURSE. You've been denied that essential biological element of your wellbeing. So, you feel pain. It can be slaked, to some degree, by means of a false substitute: the strip club experience. (And I say "experience" deliberately. It's the WHOLE thing, as you aptly put it. The interacting, the touch, the sight, the COMBINATION, the ratio of "hunt" to "choose" to "catch" time spent, etc. etc.. It's the package.)

You fix your pain, the empty shell where you aren't getting what you need, with strip clubs. But the problem is, you actually are learning to receive a "quick fix" that is false. It's like eating sugar. It makes you feel energized and high, but only for a little bit. More and more sugar leads to less and less healthy nutrition, eventual diabetes, imbalance, a need for intervention by a doctor and some insulin, and so forth. Well, strip clubs are similar. They're an emotional crutch. They don't cure the problem. In fact, almost nothing will cure the problem: you live in North America in the early 21st Century, so, the problem is bigger than you.

Not that I disapprove. I go to strip clubs, a lot. I don't think there's really any way for it to change. You like it, probably for many of the same reasons I do. I'm just pointing out the next logical step in the analysis, the understanding of our drives. We're gregarious primates, denied social interaction, so OF COURSE we're going to figure out how to get that interaction in some manner elsewhere if the mainstream isn't giving it to us.