Last night an alledgedly unruly customer was ejected from Platinum Plus in Greenville by bouncers. He ended up dying from the choke hold one of the bouncers inflicted on him. News reports say that the 36 year old man was asked to leave but refused and was thrown out. Do you think the bouncers were justified in physically removing the customer? Has anyone ever withnessed a customer being physically thrown out of a strip club?
I used to thenk PP was more of an up-scale club, but now I wonder.
Bouncers do this at any type of club, strip club or not, for unruly customers. It is a way to subdue them. If applied correctly, a person won't die. If applied incorrectly to the wrong person, you can get this kind of complication. He'll probably get booked for involuntary due to the death, but if it wasn't anything overly aggressive by the bouncer then the act was justifiable -- he probably administered it wrong and will have to live with that the rest of his life.
I remember a customer was paralyzed because of a Las Vegas strip club bouncer. He won a million dollar settlement but the strip club went bankrupt and has not been paying out for it.
Joseph M. Collura, 36, 540 Candlewick Court, was pronounced dead at Greenville Memorial Hospital at 10:10 p.m. Thursday, said Tom Selfridge, Greenville County deputy coroner.
He died as a result of asphyxiation due to pressure on his neck, Selfridge said. Any number of outside forces could cause the blood flow to be cut off and the sheriff’s office would need to determine what caused the asphyxiation, he said.
If you go to busy clubs often enough, eventually you see someone escorted out of most of them (regular bars too). Most of the time people are asked to leave and many patrons don't seem to hardly notice, most of the other people there don't even seem to notice or think it's any big deal. Now if a fight breaks out, that gets attention. I've heard stories about regular bars where there is a fight or used to be a fight every single night or routine trouble. It only takes one disagreeable person to rile up a bouncer.
One night at one club I suddenly saw a guy lying on the floor. Someone told me his girlfriend or wife came into the club, grabbed a beer bottle, and hit him on the head and knocked him out cold. Then she left. Paramedics were called in. Apparently he did not die because it was not in the news. This was in Greenville as well. That was the only violence I ever saw and I kind of missed it in a Greenville club. I have seen some people escorted out before. I even saw one drunk girl parading around one club topless with about 3 or 4 bouncers trying to chase her down. Out of thousands of visitors and many people drinking on many nights, you're bound to have someone who gets out of line.
When I stated I missed it, I did not mean that I enjoy seeing violence, I meant that I did not see the girl or woman hit the guy in the head. I just saw him lying flat on the floor.
I read that the guy died at the hospital in the latest online news story. That's probably not much consolation to the friends of the victim. I don't know anyone who wants to die at a strip club. I read some viewer comments condemning the bouncers, the strip club, the patrons, and the dancers. As vile as some of the comments were, you have to wonder about the people posting those comments.
I have a theory, but first a personal story. I have never seen anyone asked to leave or be escorted out of a club. Once, I did witness someone at my favorite club who was so drunk and stoned that I recommended that management ask him to leave, thinking he was a potential danger to customers and dancers. However, the dude was not causing any commotion so was allowed to stay and no harm was done by his condition. The club's patience paid off, what was perceived as potentially over the line turned out to be nothing to worry about and the club made money off the customer after he stayed. Patience was smarter than the quick trigger.
Basically, the upscale clubs with uptight rules are the ones that have quick-trigger bouncers. If you are at a bar, there is always the potential for a customer to get loud or obnoxious. Smart bars and strip clubs just let these loud dudes mellow out. But the more anal ones, typically the chain/corporate variety, don't like any behaviour outside their narrow definition of the norm. I usually don't like those type of clubs. They may be doing it for safety reasons, which I can appreciate, but overall the vibe in those places is just not rigbt.
So that's my theory--that, in general, the more high-end the club, the more likely it is to have trigger-happy bouncers and a tendancy to eject. What do others think?
Lately I have been alternating between two clubs and one called "Nepals" is actually a much higher-end club that the other (Platinum Plus). The biggest difference I see is that the bouncers at Nepals are huge individuals about the size of your average pro football middle linebackers. They seem a little more laid back than the guys at PP. Of course Nepals is a private club which may be comparing apples to oranges, but they never seem to have any problems at Nepals.
Just occurred to me that I've never seen a bouncer at the new club I've been going to - it has the feel of a neighborhood bar with dancers, there's no cover, so no door guy, and the bartenders are all female. I'm sure there are some beefy guys working in the back that could respond if need be, but I think its kinda cool that you don't see bouncers out on the floor.
Personally I'd be a little concerned for my safety (and others) with NO bouncers on the floor.
Those female bartenders won't be much help in an incident. If there's beefy guys working in the back (doing what, exactly?) the incident may have escalated greatly by the time they get there.
Can't believe some of you claim to have never seen anyone asked to leave/escorted out of a club. Seen 'em "escorted" in dives and gentlemen's clubs. Don't know where you've been hanging...
That being said my sense is the frequency of such incidents is less than in a typical club or bar.
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Police say they are checking our surveillance cameras to check out what happened.
He died as a result of asphyxiation due to pressure on his neck, Selfridge said. Any number of outside forces could cause the blood flow to be cut off and the sheriff’s office would need to determine what caused the asphyxiation, he said.
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/…
Basically, the upscale clubs with uptight rules are the ones that have quick-trigger bouncers. If you are at a bar, there is always the potential for a customer to get loud or obnoxious. Smart bars and strip clubs just let these loud dudes mellow out. But the more anal ones, typically the chain/corporate variety, don't like any behaviour outside their narrow definition of the norm. I usually don't like those type of clubs. They may be doing it for safety reasons, which I can appreciate, but overall the vibe in those places is just not rigbt.
So that's my theory--that, in general, the more high-end the club, the more likely it is to have trigger-happy bouncers and a tendancy to eject. What do others think?
Those female bartenders won't be much help in an incident. If there's beefy guys working in the back (doing what, exactly?) the incident may have escalated greatly by the time they get there.
Can't believe some of you claim to have never seen anyone asked to leave/escorted out of a club. Seen 'em "escorted" in dives and gentlemen's clubs. Don't know where you've been hanging...
That being said my sense is the frequency of such incidents is less than in a typical club or bar.