Dancer gives you a lousy dance to get get rid of you. Does it work?

I can't understand why a dancer would pass up on giving a lapdance by giving a bad dance, maybe it would be a question of not feeling comfortable with the guy or a pesonal hygenie issue? I'm not implying anything there jablake.

There are all manner of reasons such as hygiene, attire, age, race, attractiveness, party time. Considering the stench at Angels from cigarette smoke it seems like hygiene wouldn't be an issue, but you never know.

Gambling dancer has told me the reason she tried to get rid of me initially (about 7 years ago) over at Angels is because I was poor, old, and white. Furthermore, she wasn't looking to make money at Angels, but rather party with men and women of her own group (I didn't find that out until years later and just viewed her as a $5 ho.) She was very surprised that I wasn't angry or disgusted by the bad dances and viewed my behaviour as very unusual.

Years later she decides that because she doesn't view my money as worthwhile (too bottom tier), she doesn't see why she should accept it. It doesn't make any sense to her. Time spent with me, costs her money. :(

"Rarely, I have cut the dance short myself, because of facts as body odor or just plain immediate disappointment."

I'd feel depressed doing that even when the dancer deserves it. Generally, they probably prefer your approach, however. I'll say with a very bad dance the minutes seem to take forever.

I don't think that I have ever had a dancer try to get rid of me by doing a lousy dance. They want your money. I have had lousy dances (MEGAN)that made me get up, throw the $20 at them and walk out. They are called ROB's.

This has never happened to me, nor have I heard of it. I did have a dancer ask me to buy her a drink, and then walk away from me to chat with another PL once. I had a dancer walk out on me in the VIP room (after I had paid for the dance) because I "adjusted my belt" a little too radically. (I wanted to make it easy for her to get at the equipment, but totally misjudged. Only made that mistake once.)

It very well may happen, but I believe it is extremely rare for a dancer to give a lousy dance just to get rid of a customer.

A couple of times I have ended a dance, because the dancer was so disappointing in her approach that I didn't want to be around her. I don't think either one was deliberately giving me bad service -- more like just poor communications.

Hi TUSCL_Brother,

That is very nice of you. :)

Usually, I'm made aware by watching them dance for other customers. Sometimes, I can see they're unhappy to be asked and eager to leave.

Gambling dancer gave some super sensual dances and worse she had exactly the look that I wanted. Not happy to be asked at all. Eager to leave. Dancing about 3 feet or more away from me. Sort of crazy that I ended up knowing her for so many years and spending so much time with her. She was giving me all these "clues" and was thinking this old man just don't get it. I got her message loud and clear and would ordinarily back off very quickly-----But. She was exceptionally hot. It was like a gift from God. Yes, hotties would randomly appear at times at Angels back then, but she was actually enjoying herself with her dancer buddies and the young customers. Also, she was more than a hottie. She was like WOW!!! :) Her sensual dances were exactly what I craved and then it all gets ripped to pieces. This dancer definitely doesn't want anything to do with me and had almost told me to get lost (reading her body/mind language)---she figured better just give a worthless dance and he'll be gone soon enough. Just a little less hot and she'd have gotten her wish.

Funny how the game sometimes works out. She was supposed to stop by today and didn't. Somehow, I didn't think she would show (she is surprisingly good at being punctual and keeping appointments). It wouldn't surprise me if she showed tomorrow or next week, but then again perhaps not.

This doesn't make any sense. Strippers don't need to "get rid of" customers. If there's a customer she doesn't want to be with, she gets up and leaves, no excuse required.

A few times, I've had strippers hold back on giving me a good table dance in order to convince me that I needed to spring for a VIP dance. It didn't work.

Hi chandler,

Actually that ain't the way it works at Angels. The other dancers have and the management has a real problem with dancers choosing who they will or won't dance for.

Now under the old Angels, dancers were free to decline dances for ANY reason. That was their right. Just as a business was free to refuse service for ANY reason.

Anyway, I think there is a good argument to be made for forcing dancers to accept all customers (I don't subscribe to that argument, btw). One prissy asshole dancer can destroy the super slut rep the dancers and club work so hard to cultivate. A single dancer picking and choosing not only hurts the rejected customer, but then other customers may become fearful of rejection---many of these poor souls are true losers when it comes to women. :( There is a culture at Angels. A culture of acceptance and total sluttiness.

Once when a dancer openly refused my request for a dance, it was like all hell broke loose from her fellow dancers----it was impossible for me to believe that they even noticed or would even care. After all, didn't a dancer like any woman have a right to say no? And, why were they watching like hawks? I learned that the other dancers did care. And, cared BIG TIME. They didn't want a bitchy or prudish dancer giving them a bad rep. They viewed dancing as a matter of teamwork. You don't like a customer? Suck it up. You ain't marrying the clown---you're hopefully taking his money and giving him a good time.

A lot of the dancers I know do work as a team. I have gotten dances from the lady at the end of her shift and she will point me to another dancer for the remainder of my visit or bring someone over to me.

I know that some dancers have had bad experiences with certain types of people, and if you happen to fall into a "type" that a dancer doesn't like, you're SOL if you wanna get a dance from her. Pre-judging a person based on stereotyping their "type" sucks.

Like TUSCL Bro, I don't know if a dancer has ever given me a crappy dance to get rid of me. I also just assumed that she just gave crappy dances. Thankfully, lousy lapdances have been few & far between lately, so that's a good sign.

I've never known any dancer to give me crappy dances just to get rid of me. I've only known them to get rid of me because they gave crappy dances. The only time I ever cut the dance short was because she was too good.

Go Go Rama in NJ has a unique way of making sure that girls take everyone. They have a number system like a deli. You go up to the dj and ask for a girl. They give you a number for that girl. When she is done with a lap dance she goes to the dj to see if there is anyone waiting and they call your number. Some of the more popular girls never have to circulate drumming up business because there is a constant line. It works well for some of the girls because they never have any down time.

Bro, it sounds almost exactly the same except they just call out your number.

"Pre-judging a person based on stereotyping their 'type' sucks."

It may suck, but people will rely on what information they have. Mexican customers it seems have a horrible reputation here in some South Florida clubs. Basically, they're many field hands over here who may not be as refined as a stripper would like. It doesn't take too many negative confrontations and bingo the stripper wants nothing to do with anyone who looks like they're Mexican field hands. It truly does suck for the Mexican field hand who'd be an excellent customer if given the chance.

There are certain people who look very much like me, who trigger an immediate and extremely hostile feelings. At the old Angels other customers had the same learned or genetic trigger. Just based on their looks which are only slightly different and difficult to describe, I'd be much happier if they just moved along and the faster the better. I don't rightly care if they be friendly, intelligent, wealthy, or whatever other positive traits you can think of----I just want 'em gone. I compare that inherent feeling of revulsion to the inherent feeling of seeing perky natural titties; it isn't like I've got a choice whether the feeling is positive or negative. Somethings are hardwired and others are learned and sometimes maybe a little of both. I believe the instant positive reaction to perky titties is 100% hardwired.

Bro and iguy: it sounds just like a meat market. No thanks.

Man, that deli counter set-up sounds like it's designed to take all the fun out of it for the customer. I really doubt if its main purpose is to make sure that girls take every guy - more like make sure the club gets its cut. In my considered opinion, there's no fucking chance I'm gonna ask a DJ for a dance with a stripper.

I'm not sure how anyone would even know if a, "Dancer gives you a lousy dance to get get rid of you." Of course seeing her with others could be a clue, but not a sure thing.

If she's really hot and there aren't any other girls I'd want, and I have money to spend... I might hang in for a few dances. But I guess it depends on how bad it was. I've only ever cut a dance short because I got a whiff of her ass as it was gyrating in front of me and it smelled overwhelmingly like shit (as in I don't think she wiped last trip to the bathroom). I about threw up on her back.

jablake: Yeah, over here in the opposite corner of the country the strippers hate Mexicans too. Apparently they are too cheap, expect too much, and too blatant about it. My guess it really means they are like any other customers but on tighter budgets.

jablake, Dougster- I've also witnessed it where the dancers hate the Mexicans here in the Midwest. Most of the ones I've heard say something about it say they never want to spend on dances and they never even want to tip the dancers while on stage. A disproportionate number of the customers who get kicked out of one club, according to a dancer, are Mexican, and probably because they whip it out. I did know one exception, one who was clearly not Mexican, who would drink Modelo or Tecate instead of Bud Light like the other girls (this at a BYOB place, never known any non-Mexican bar to serve those beers).

Seems like probably a lot of Mexicans are being pre-judged---that does suck. And, if they get a dance perhaps it is a get-lost-dance before they even get the chance to be a good customer.

I really don't think it takes a mind reader in some cases where the dancer is making it clear via body language etc. that she wants the first dance to be the last dance. I had forgotten that that is the way Gambling dancer and I started out. She reminded me, maybe a year ago. And, damn it all came back. She was a major pest when it came to giving me dances. It was especially frustrating at the time because of her looks and skill (watched her interactions with dancers and customers).

Yeah, the meat market description is dead on. But the alternatives in my part of Jersey aren't any better. Most pPlaces have mostly Eastern European girls that are bussed in from Brooklyn. Typically, the conversation starts with "vanna dance". Most have been trained in the art of ROBness. Dances are usually timed and not by the song. A four minute dance will suddenly only last 2 minutes so that they can get in two dances and only give the club the cut of a single dance. Two way contact is not that good.

To add to the factory feel of the Go Go Rama, the five minute dance is automatically timed and starts when the girl swipes in with a card and ends when the light goes on over your head. On the bright side contact is very high compared to most joints in the area.

The number system isn't in place to ensure that the club gets its cut. The swiping in and out does that. I think the number system is to ensure that the there is no down time for the more popular dancers. The more popular dancers do not have to hang around with regulars at the bar. If you want to hang out it is on the clock in either the lap dance room or the VIP rooms. Some girls never leave the back rooms except to go on stage. The more popular girls really rake it in. From what I hear they get $17 of a $20 lap dance and $120 of a $180 half hour vip. Girls only get scheduled 7 days a month. Some girls fly in to work here.

if you're getting a bad dance it means you're not tipping enough. it's that simple.

"if you're getting a bad dance it means you're not tipping enough. it's that simple."

The dancer who wants a tip at Angels can forget about getting dances from me. I have a zero tolerance policy on tipping for dances. If $5 ain't enough green, then the woman needs to find a wealthier club or wealthier customers. Meanwhile, other customers are paying $2 to $3 per dance and seem to pretty much get everything on the menu plus so at least as far as Angels, your thinking is way off. Perhaps I'm overpaying and that is the problem.

Since I haven't asked a dancer for dances in ages and they are always asking me, sitting on my lap, or talking to me first, I find it hard to imagine a dancer trying to get rid of me by doing a lousy dance. I say no thanks to dancers about 95 percent of the time unless they are someone I'm familar with and like.

That's not to say that I haven't ever had a lousy dance where the dancer is giving me an air dance with her back turned towards me looking off around the club for her next victim. In that situation, she is definitely getting rid of me because I won't be getting any dances from her as long as I remember her. I would inform others too.

"if you're getting a bad dance it means you're not tipping enough. it's that simple."

I assume that those of us that do tip do so AFTER our dance(s), so the above statement is meaningless.

xxkittenxx: "if you're getting a bad dance it means you're not tipping enough. it's that simple."

Oh, hardly. If you tip too much it just puts a big flashing neon "S" (for sucker) on your forehead. And the suckers don't get the good dances. They just strung along and milked (and not in the way they would like) in the hopes of getting a good dance.

Make them work for the money they get.

Who is this xxkittenxx anyway?

"Since I haven't asked a dancer for dances in ages and they are always asking me, sitting on my lap, or talking to me first, I find it hard to imagine a dancer trying to get rid of me by doing a lousy dance."

Hi casualguy,

Imagine ignoring all those dancers lavishing attention on you. Now imagine you see a dancer that just lights up your eyes. The jackpot. Maybe you see her joking with her buds. Maybe she is giving dance after dance to different lucky customers. Maybe both. Imagine you get tired of waiting for her to approach you and you decide to take action!!! :)

Imagine you ask and she shakes her head and says NO!!! Maybe she isn't so in your face, however. Instead, she drops her head and reluctantly follows you over to the couch. Those fabulous dances the other customers got? Hmmm . . . she might as well be dancing for them because she is closer to them than she is to you!!! :( I think Gambling dancer was a good 3 feet away when she very unhappily gave me my first dance from her some 7 or more years ago. I kept buying dances left, right, and center; the game changed dramatically and soon I was a very happy customer. I got the extreme beauty that I wanted along with the GFE at a price ($5) that was within my budget. Heck, she even ended up giving me "freebies" and wasted her time with me when she should have been hunting whales as soon as they swam in. All though it is an ego boost, I don't like it because I feel guilty. A dancer shouldn't be wasting her time with a $5 customer when a real customer becomes available.

Bad dances are caused by the government!

"Bad dances are caused by the government!"

That is definitely perceptive if overly inclusive. Most people wouldn't have the brains to see that at any time or under any circumstances---flag wavers thru and thru. When the police make a "sweep" at Angels picking up dancers at random (you don't need to be guilty of anything) to take 'em to the local jail (and trials? Please, this is America), the mileage typically drops dramatically at least for a couple weeks and sometimes longer. Also, the better dancers (hotter and more skillful) typically make themselves scarce for a good spell. Yes, government can definitely be responsible for bad dances and a whole lot more.

Blame America first and foremost cause it has been well earned.

"Bad dances are caused by the government!"

Another way government causes bad dances is when the dancers become afraid that your working undercover or there are undercover police officers in the club. She may be a total sex kitten with or without $$$, but fears of undercover police officers may put quite a damper on her performance.

Oh fuck, he thought I was serious!!!!

Oh fuck, you weren't! My heart is broken. :) Anyway, government is routinely responsible for bad dances depending on the jurisdiction.

Just thought of another way government is responsible for bad dances. Imagine getting royally screwed in any of thousands of ways government is capable of screwing people----FBI, CIA, DEA, FDLE, DMV, SS, HUD----well, you should be able to get the point. IOWs, the alphabet soup of government. Basically, at the el cheapo clubs that I love you will sometimes see a dancer with a "chip on her shoulder" courtesy of government. BEWARE!!! Better to just steer clear of this dancer unless you're a real pro, glutton for punishment, empathy central, or associated in some impressive way with the alphabet soup of government.

I "rescued" one pilgrim over at Angels---he didn't know what the hell hit him. One minute he is getting out of this world dances and next he is dealing with the HO from HELL!!! :( I saw this coming about a million miles away and swooped in like a super hero----very unlike me, btw. Pilgrim was grateful, btw.

Clubber - guess the concept of irony doesn't work on this board

You've got government dictating in some jurisdiction that the dancer has to stay so many feet away from the customer. Yes, I'd blame the government for the bad dances---unless you think dancers dancing 3 feet or more away is good.

I hope that doesn't offend anyone that I point out the obvious. Less obvious are other circumstances where government is very responsible for bad dance.

And, his sarcasm was more than obvious. Problem is he probably believes the nonsense that government doesn't dictate bad dances depending on different circumstances.

You still have to admit, that to an extent, jablake is right on this.

I'll admit govt can make dances "bad" for a whole area, but the thread was about a dancer who gives good dances normally, but gives you a bad one for some reason. I think we should stick to the spirit of the original post as started by, let's see, ah, ... jablake? Ok, never mind.

I have to give jablake credit, sometimes it appears that he has a valid point and may just have a difficult time communicating it. After all it is difficult sometimes to get a point accross in these short writings. Sometimes I wonder if their are too many voices in his head.

But you have to admit, with all the abuse he seems to get here, I have never seen him attack anyone or put them down with name calling. So however misguided some of his thoughts are, he still apears to be a decent strip clubber.

Regarding the thread, they just appear to evolve in free form.

Government can be responsible for "bad" dances from one dancer, two dancers, three dancers, etc. Government doesn't need to make dances bad for a WHOLE area.

Example: Massive sweep at Angels. No mercy. Just women being handcuffed and booked everywhere you looked. Most of the dancers were giving very bad dances for a couple weeks after that----government at it finest . However, dancers are not little robots who all react to stress, abuse, arrest, attack, whatever in the exact same way. A tiny minority of dancers weren't bowed even a little by the government's abuse. Repeat a minority of dancers didn't allow the government attack to reduce the quality of dances that they provided.

As one dancer said to me, she didn't think the government screwing her should end up screwing her customers. She said she tried to just take the abuse with a smile and think that someday they'll get their just rewards.

"Sometimes I wonder if their are too many voices in his head."

Severe shifts, pain, and bitterness. I just shooed some people away because of government. (The people wanted fruit.) I feel guilty about not treating them better---I use to treat visitors wanting fruit very well. Most people wouldn't be able to comprehend the link and I don't feel good about linking the two.

Ultimately, I need to just move. Regardless of money or health. It is scary moving when you're weak. I was hoping for a nice quick natural death.

I thought Gambling dancer could commiserate with me. All her male relatives have criminal records. Her dad's record went on for many pages and he has lived most of his life behind bars. So what do I get when I tell her about my mother's side of family? Gambling dancer blurts out they're fakers. :(

She actually couldn't understand what I was talking about because her family didn't have that problem. Worse than not understanding was her belief that it must be fake.

It is like the customer who hasn't had a dancer give him a bad dance to get rid of him so thusly he believes it can't happen. It must be fake. All the dancer had to do was say NO. All dancers care about is money thus giving a bad dance to get rid of customer is impossible! Etc.

Gambling dancer really depressed me calling my people fakes when she hadn't even met 'em. I think if she actually got to meet them, then her eyes and mind would open. Then she'd see the stress and misery. Then maybe she'd be more willing to really listen to my stories and meet some of the players. If she meets the players, then she can decide based on what she experiences first hand.

I guess many things, like a dancer purposely giving a bad dance to get rid of you, need to be experienced first hand. I never said it was common, btw. And, I probably could of avoided it entirely just by going with dancers who did show an interest in me. Of course, then I'd be without the memorable experiences and Gambling dancer and I never would of had a history going on 8 years or so.

txtittyfan,

I might agree, but jablake RARELY uses "short writings"!

BTW, how about those strippers?

A dancer over at RolLexx would sometimes purposely give me a lousy dance to give me the "hint" to take my business elsewhere. I learned this when one day she actually wanted my business (I'd given up on her). She was desperate she said. Now young customers? I never saw her give them a 'tude. BTW, sometimes instead of a lousy dance she'd just say NO.

If a dancer thinks that I'm with the government, then a lousy dance to end the encounter may be the dancer's answer.

Anyway, the subject was merely that if a dancer gives you a lousy dance to get get rid of you, then does it work? The reactions to that simple question were telling . . .

This old beat to hell prostitute knew customers and providers like a hall of famer. Even when her referred provider didn't work out, it was well worth my time. I always looked forward to meeting anyone she suggested. She tells me about this goddess of a provider that most customers didn't like because she was picky and arrogant? Definitely a goddess. My heart was racing and my eyes were way wide just letting all her beauty enter and my breathing stopped and started in spurts. The goddess was fun to meet and to talk with, but she refused me cause I was too "low class" or some words to that effect. I'm just starting to really turn on the charm and she gets a phone call for a real customer and that was that. Goddess sort of worked at a stripclub and sorta worked as a dancer, but as a dancer she rejected almost every customer (she didn't care for undressing, either); picky as a provider as well. The beat up old prostitute wanted to ring the young lady's neck---can't say it wasn't understandable. :)