SOUND OFF – The State of U.S. SCs and the International Sex Scene

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Garfield84
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I’ve been waiting to write this article for some time now and tonight is the night. Tonight, I am on fire. I have been wondering some things as I venture in and out of the strip clubs not just domestically, but now internationally.

Sex and sexual things is my vice. Some people like to gamble, drink or smoke. Not me. It’s always been beautiful hoez/women/females/bitches or whatever you prefer to call them this week. Maybe because I grew up poor, unattractive and skinny and I didn’t have the ability to pull any chick I wanted. I didn’t even go to my high school prom as I wanted to spare myself the embarrassment of even attempting to ask a girl. So the idea of a place, such as a strip club, brothel or spa that I can walk into and pick ANY BITCH I want highly appeals to me. Now that I’m not that skinny, four eyed broke ugly dude like I use to be, I can get some non-p4p action. However, the ease and convenience of getting some p4p action is appealing because you don’t have to deal with the headache of courting and appeasing a bitch. I don’t have the time and patience to spit game at a bitch when I know I just want to fuck. Sometimes, I will play the game as I do enjoy conversations, fine dining and history (yes, I am a history buff) and don’t mine going out with women (and I sometimes enjoy it). But a lot of the really, really attractive girls can’t hold a conversation for shit so I just want to smash and that’s where my love of the strip clubs come in.

This rant will go in 3 main sections:

1) The dying state of Atlanta Strip Clubs

2) The rising cost and state of South Florida Strip Clubs

3) Other U.S. Strip Clubs

And lastly and most importantly

4) International sex clubs and places

5) Conclusion

I divided this article into these sections for not only your benefit but as a point of reference. I want you to have this information and use it for reference. Here and there I might mention some dancers that I have IGs too. The information I provide here is from my own experience and some is from what I hear from fellow TUSCLEers. As always, PM me for IG profiles of the dancers I mention in this article. So let’s get to it.



1) The dying state of Atlanta Strip Clubs

It is official folks. Atlanta and Atlanta area strip clubs are finished. I barely go to them anymore. And when I do, I fight the temptation to waste any significant amount of money in them. I spent $70 USD in club Blaze the other day, which went a long way, but in the back of my head I’m thinking that could of went towards a flight to one of the my sex destinations (i.e. Tijuana, Medellin, Bogota, Amsterdam) or an unexplored sex destination (i.e Zurich, Sosua, Cartagena, Cali and the one that interests me the most Frankfurt). I mean the city of Atlanta and the surrounding cities becoming incorporated have really neutered the sex industry in Atlanta.



Let’s run down the list of clubs.

Magic City, Allure and Onyx has always been a “make it rain club” as its $40-60 cover and $20-$100 to park (you read correctly). Then there is zero, I mean zero mileage here. They push table, bottle service and make it impossible for a single patrons to just stand. So therefore I just don’t’ go. And by the looks of it no one on this forum goes.

The clubs on Fulton Industrial are in decline. Now that they are in the city of South Fulton, they close at 2AM. The last time I was in club Wax it was terrible. There may be ‘extras” to be had at Wax in the daytime but I doubt it. Cover is $20 and parking is $20 or more. Wax is much better in the daytime. The girls at Fannies have mom bods but yet they charge $15 per song and have the audacity to charge you $300 for VIP, even in the daytime. You can catch a gem there every once in a while. Then there is Aces. Oh my, what did they do to my Club Babes. They tried to turn it into a make it rain club, I’m not sure that concept took too well on that side of town. Trapeze, the swingers club, sucks too now. The last time I was there, I couldn’t wait to leave. Even on a couple night, the women were highly unattractive. If I’m going into a swinger’s club and I have a rookie Mickey Mantle card, mint condition, you better come with at least a Ted Williams mint condition to swap with me. Muthafuckas be trying to swap my Mickey Mantle rookie card for a bent up David Cone card. WTF?

On my side of time, Oasis is hanging on by the hairs of their chinney chin chin. The city of Doraville is now fining their alcohol distributors for selling them alcohol. The number of cars outside is dwindling as I hear girls are leaving for Tattetales.

Follies is closed. I still cry sometimes. It was my everything. It was the place that I went to celebrate, where I went for bad days, where I went for good days, where I went when I was horny and when I wasn’t horny. I went there the day after Michael Jackson died to cheer myself up and they were on stage holding candles playing Man in the Mirror. God I miss that club. God I miss my dear old Chamblee, my old 30341. Now the gentrification has taken over, the house values are rising and the Brookhaven and Chamblee is becoming the new Buckhead (LOL, the old Buckhead is becoming ghetto, but that’s another article). As they gentrify, they’re closing bars and modifying nudey bars as they go along. It’s so sad.

Speaking of Brookhaven, the Pony has experienced a bit of resurgence. It closes at 2am too but it has some bad ass bitches. There is this one white girl with a banging ass there from South Georgia (IG profile Pony A). There is this mamacita who will do house calls who use to work at Wax (IG profile Pony B), but no one is this light skin black girl. She might be the most beautiful stripper in all of Atlanta. I saw her all over Atlanta and I swore she was a high priced escort. Every time I Saw her she was with another dude or dudes from Blue Martini to the Tongue and Groove night club. IG profile Pony C is stunning. But best believe her prices will put a dent in your account. VIP in Pony starts at $260 and it’s relatively open and you’ll be off of a stack in no time and without really getting nowhere. There are no extras in Pony, but OTC activity can be had. I got her crazy prices while pushing the envelope in VIP.

The Pony is my go to for snowbunnies but again, I don’t go often as I try to save my money for international excursions. Typically, I sit by the back bar with the pole and watch the girls walk up and down and tip them dollars here and there. I rarely spend more than $50 (outside that one time with IG profile pony C).

Tattletales and Platinum are right next to each other. Tattletales appeals to the white demographic while Platinum appeals to the black demographic. Tattletales makes sure it stays that way *wink wink*. They going to play with the wrong one and someone will scream the R word. It’s a coming. So to say the least I don’t go there anymore. I don’t really go to Platinum as it’s hard to get to and they start charging around noon every day. The mileage is still decent though. (They might be close now as of 8/20/22)

Vivde, the club they try to paint as a daytime Follies is okay. Mileage is good but the girls are hit and miss. I still haven’t been to this club in the evening.

Then there is the two eastside clubs.

Blaze is my no. 1 club in Atlanta area I go to (located in Conley, GA) to be exact. Girls get naked, $5 dances, no cover until 7 and the mileage is good. It’s an all-black club and the girls are hit and miss. Mileage varies by girl and I’m not sure about any extras. I never thought I would say Blaze is my no.1 club. That shows the sad state of Atlanta clubs.

Pin-Ups is good on the weekend. I believe Friday, Saturday, and Sunday they are open until 6am. Mileage was on a decline because the ownership changed and they wanted no friction. You could still get decent mileage in the VIP section of the club that they have roped off. This was months ago, so I’m not sure if it has lifted that BS.

Strokers suck. Day time you might find a gem. But on the weekends at night. It’s a make it rain club.

If there is any silver lining that comes with the downfall of Atlanta SCs, is that there are still clubs that offer $5 dances. And for the most part, Atlanta average dance is $10 a song. That beats the hell out of South Florida. But the old Atlanta SC scene is gone. Never to be had again.



2) The rising cost and state of South Florida Strip Clubs

South Florida has the most strip clubs in all of America. There was a time when South Florida and Atlanta use to be neck and neck. That is no longer the case. There are strip clubs on every corner like Waffle houses are in Atlanta. However, the prices are so ridiculous.

South Florida strip clubs are so expensive. Cover is the standard $10-$20, however, dances are $25 (friction dances) per song. And if there are extras to be had, best believe they can run you from $500-$1500. Ain’t no way in HELL!!!

I recently posted about the outrageous prices of Tootsies and I talked about the overall value and satisfaction of Cheetah Hallandale, so let’s discuss the South Florida Clubs

Of the 4 Booby traps I visited, (Booby Trap Doral, Booby Trap Pompano, BTs and On the River), Booby Trap Pompano is by far the best IMO. The infamous “On The River” is too much of a make it rain club. Girls do the least and they expect the most. FOH (fuck outta here). Not only is Booby Trap Pompano a nicer club, but the parking is less of a hassle and the girls are straight to the point. I don’t have time for the bullshit.

One night I was at Booby Trap Pompano, I got a tip to visit Dean’s Gold from an out of town patron. I had a craving for some snow bunny action and in South Florida, it’s getting harder and harder to find that. Most South Florida Clubs are now mostly latin (primarily Cuban, with some Colombian girls mixed in and some others). While there was some European girls, Dean’s Gold in North Miami was still half latin. And the European girls they did have was not attractive. I got a few private dances from two Latin girls (one from Mexico and another from Argentina) who gave pretty good dances in their little designated areas. I believe they were like $20-30 a pop. I also dance this one white girl (who turned out to be mixed) from Boston, who wanted to go to VIP for $500. I declined her offer and another Latin girl’s offer. VIP is in this open room near the entry. I have heard many things about Dean’s Gold VIP. PM me.

Solid Gold in its new location and old location have never been nothing but a money pits to me.

Broward County seems to have the better strip clubs than Dade County when it comes to mileage. If you live in South Florida, please let me know what you think about this statement.



3) Other U.S. Strip Clubs

There are several clubs I have visited and want to visit in the United States outside of South Florida and Miami for kicks and giggles. And to discover the possible OTC possibilities.



Clubs I have been to:

Vegas –Sapphire Club, Palomino, Spearmint Rhino

Baltimore – Norma Jeans - (NJ IG profile A and NJ IG profile 2 is the reason I go)

Philadelphia – Sin city (formerly – Vanity Grande)

City of Industry – Synn, Spearmint Rhino



Clubs I have not been to:

Dallas - Baby Dolls

Jacksonville – Wackos, Sinsation

Indianapolis - Brad’s Bass

What other cities got good SCs?

I hear from a fellow TUSCL that Detroit and Michigan strip clubs are a good. I may have to check that out one day. When I do, I’ll let you guys know.





4) International SCs and places

This section is the meat and potatoes of this article. Since Follies closed. I have been quick to jump on a plane and head out of town. Not only just because of Follies closing, but other life changing events made me just want to see the world in general. Outside the United States, there are strip clubs but most of the International sex scene is composed of brothels and brothels disguised as clubs. Then there are the spas and massage parlors.





Tijuana – check, check

To me Tijuana is the best. It’s close to the beautiful San Diego and you can simply walk across the border. TJ was the reason I obtained a global entry card which allows me to bypass that massive line to get back into the country. They have SCs, brothels, regular clubs, spas and massage parlors. However, the main attraction as we all know is HONG KONG GENTLEMAN’S CLUB. There is nothing like that. Not in terms of size, # of girls, the setup, everything. It’s funny though, I still put Follies #1 because Follies had every demographic girl possible while in HK it was mostly Mexican girls. But still its no.1 the big FOUR, Hong Kong (HK), Adelita Bar (AB), Chicago Club (CC)) and Tropical Bar (TB) are the mainstays of Zona Norte. I don’t really mess with the clubs on “cheap street” nor the SGs that are in the corner. Food is cheap in TJ and the Ubers are ridiculously cheap. Hotels are getting pricier especially Puebla Amiga. I tend to like to stay in the Fairfield near the Fridays. I feel at home there. There not as chica friendly as Puebla Amiga though and not as close to the border. My favorite thing outside of Zona Norte about Tijuana, is the ability to sports bet at the Caliente Casinos. They have TVs on all the American sports even the insignificant ones. I love visiting Caliente Casinos in the Fall during football season. It makes my trips to Las Vegas null and void (except LV does have more prop bets). Plus, the whores in TJ are significantly cheaper than LV too. The food is good and I enjoy the 2 Fogo De Chao like Brazilian steakhouses. Casesars Restaurant is a good place to go. On my next visit, I ‘m going to check out some more museums and stuff just to get a more well-rounded visit instead of just sex, sex, sex all the time.



Medellin – check, check

I love Medellin, Colombia. La Isla is the main event IMO, but Club Gusto and the other debauchery in parquet lleras on the weekend is great as well. It’s great to head to the club and EVERYONE is available. Not only is La Isla is a destination but that Lutron mansion is unreal. Especially the taxi/uber ride to get there is crazy as it’s in the middle of this lush vegetation. The girls are beautiful. Then there is this place called Luna Lunera. They have a website and I still don’t know what to make of this place. Oh Medellin, Medllin.

Despite being in the same timezone as myself in Atlanta, it is a bit harder to get to than Tijuana. There is no direct flight to MDE therefore I have to stop in Miami or Bogota. You can make a trip out of that, but if you read my reviews of Bogota SCs, it’s not worth it IMO. Medellin girls are like 10x hotter than Bogota girls. And I’ve been to North Bogota (Champinero) and the infamous Santa Fe district in Southeast Bogota. Club Lido in North Bogota is okay. Sensiti spa is okay too. The clubs in Santa Fe have dirt cheap girls but it’s in a rough area in Santa Fe Bogota. Colombia BGs (hell SGs if you’re into that) are a HELL of a lot cheaper than TJ BGs.



Cartagena and Cali – not visited YET

I plan to go to Cartagena soon. It doesn’t have the strip clubs like I like that Tijuana has (sometimes I need that visual stimulation to even want to do a P4P transaction; lining up brothel style doesn’t do much for me). But the stories I heard about Cartagena, I already have my list set up.

Taboo

Fandula

Space

Dolce Vitas

Delirium

LDV

Imperio Nightclub

Eivissa

The Saint or La Santa


Cali, Colombia is more of a place that a lot of plastic surgeons practice at. I hear there are some clubs, but it’s not as LIVE as Medellin or Cartagena. However, someone told me Cali had a lot of swinger clubs such as Athenas or Cali club. They have websites but I doubt the people on the site are going to be as attractive in person. I’ll go eventually.



Frankfurt and Zurich – Not visted yet

These European sex destinations have been on my list for years. A recent friend and TUSCLer recently visited Zurich and his rundown of the GLOBE club and other FKKs were good, but I could wait a few months or so until I paid $2K airfare to cross the pond. Frankfurt is where I would go first as there is an abundance of FKKs specifically the infamous FKK Sharks. Apparently, in Zurich and Frankfurt, they provide GFE service and just overall quality service. This include drinks and food. I probably will go after the heatwave subsides and one more trip to TJ and/or Colombia.





Thailand - I have heard stories. I WISH SOMEONE WOULD PM ME AND TELL ME ABOUT THE HOOPLA ABOUT THAILAND. I just can’t see myself flying 16-20 hours to Thailand for some great sights and <insert cat emoji here>,



5) Conclusion

Strip clubs (SCs) and sex destinations in America have become tamed, closed or losing talent. I personally blame the public. Girls only accept what the cost of <insert cat emoji) allows. I blame the Camsoda and definitely the ONLYFANS that allow girls to make a bundle without even being touched. TF (the fuck?).

I think people in the San Diego are do a great job of not inflating the cost of <insert cat emoji> as you rarely hear a chick in TJ charge a PL more than $100 of $150 USD. Medellin is still good prices with some inflation. However, I have heard on ISG that Cartagena prices have went up because touristy gringos have went there driving up prices like idiots. Like WTF are you doing? The exchange rate is 4100 COP per $1USD. Take advantage dummy.

On the other side, South Floridians (or maybe it’s the tourist) have driven up the services of BGs and other girls in South Florida. A stack ($1000 USD)? Really? I’ve heard more and the girls cite the cost of living in SoFlo. That’s not my problem, you better serve or work more. This expectation to serve the same amount of people and make the same amount is a crazy mentality these women have in South Florida.

If I lived in South Florida, I would be in Colombia once a month, minimum. You could easily jump on an inexpensive flight using one of the Colombian airlines (Avianca and Viva Air) to Medellin or Cartagena. Flights to Medellin or Cartagena or just too inexpensive and the mileage is so so much better. For me in Atlanta, it is a little more costly because I have to make a stop in Miami or Bogota. There are no direct flights to MDE or CTG as I explained above.

In regards to Europe, travel there cannot be a regular thing unless your pockets are truly deep and if you’re single. You can only make so many excuses to visit Europe solo. I consider places like Amsterdam, Zurich and Frankurt experiences, nothing more. In any event, I hope you guys enjoy this little guide or status of SCs, brothels and everything sex related domestically and internationally.

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DeanWinchester440
2 years ago
Nicely explained the current state. Would definitely ping you up if I need more info on these?
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mjx01
2 years ago
Excellent article.

FWIW, I've never understood the fascination with Baby Dolls Dallas. I was there in the evening and it wasn't anything special. Maybe you have to go day shift for fun?

Agree that international has so much more possibilities.
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jaybud999
2 years ago
Good job. Never got a chance to hit up Atlanta.
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OG12346
2 years ago
St. Martin and Sosua, DR.
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Nixur68
2 years ago
For whatever clubs have been dying since the late 2000s. I guess it's social media or who knows what but it's a fact. Anyway, Atlanta might like Strip Clubs but the city itself doesn't and continually makes the rules so strict I'm surprised they even still exist. Costs are going up with inflation but that's been coming for a long time.

If you've spent time LA, Vegas, Dallas and Miami that pretty much describes the scene in America. As someone who's been overseas I can say you won't find anything that is fundamentally different and it sounds like the options in Columbia are excellent but the common narrative is that you need to speak some Spanish well in Latin America. That isn't the case in Europe or Asia where everyone including their own local media channels are occasionally in English.

The said, I still think you should visit. I'd recommend something like Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Madrid, etc. If you care about nothing but quality Dubai or London is also an option.
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Jascoi
2 years ago
thank you for your article. i’ve certainly got a lot of places I still got to get to.
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Harderlap
2 years ago
Try Tucson; Raider’s Reef or Venom are good, you can get what you want from some, but not all, dancers and the prices are reasonable. Curves is up there too, but more expensive and more dancers with GPS.

Phoenix is good too, but more expensive and not as many dancers are willing, but you can have lots of fun. But go to Tucson first.

El Paso used to be a sure thing at most of the clubs, but the scene has changed over the past few years. Still, from what I hear, Red Parrot is pretty good for what you are looking for.

TD’s in Albuquerque is good too, but the dancers favor regulars for extras, and the VIP dances are tamer than they used to be, driving one to the Champagne Room, which is much more expensive.

Let us know how your adventures go.
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Cristobal
2 years ago
@garfield excellent article and thanks for sharing.

In the City of Industry (and nearby) :

Bliss is fun, stays open until 4an, but hit or miss.

Paradise is a step done from Synn in quality and quantity but most dances are down with the programa and prices are generally reason able.

Tropical Leo is a brothel, on weekends the quality is good and the prices are higher than Paradise.

Satin and Knockouts are non-extras clubs but still can get high mileage dances at reasonable prices.

As far as TJ, there are two clubs rarely mentioned or visited by TUSCLers because they are out of the Zona Notre:

Deja Vu is a nice club a bit more pricey than the Zona Notre Clubs but the have specials, porn star visits, theme nights (mechanical bullriding), less crowds, less drink hustle and the quality is on par with Adelita's plus it is a five minute walk from the boarder.

Club Amenesia is fun but definitely a step down, though the beer is cheap, it is less crowded, there are theme nights and they have Mexican porn stars shows (Mia Marin, Giselle Montes).

Suggestions: I would suggest visiting Cancun, México.

You rarely meet bargirls working in TJ from Cancun because the mongering scene in Cancun is good, plus as tourist destination, girls from other countries (including Europe) work at the clubs in Cancun.

Not too many reviews from TUSCLers on Cancun but it might be a destination worth checking out.

Also, as far as pricing is concerned Monterey, México might be the best buck for fuck destination in México and is vastly underrated probably because TJ is so good but since you are an adventerous traveler this might be worth your while too.

Solo mis dos centavos.
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PutaTester
2 years ago
That was fun to read! Thanks for the entertainment.

I can strongly recommend the FKKs around Frankfurt. Prices have gone up since I was there last, but the Euro is cheaper, so it is a wash. Great times can be had in any of them. Go when the weather is warm. Nothing like watching a naked woman playing soccer.

Skip Amsterdam for mongering. It is for tourists. Beautiful city. Great/Interesting museums. Good people. The hookers in the Wallen (the main Red Light district) are all sharks. For a good mongering experience if you must check Amsterdam off of your bucket list, go to the De Pijp area. Small selection, but the girls there are hungry, especially during the day. I have had some good experiences there.

Planning a trip to South America. Santiago specifically. A Gringo traveling alone, so I do have safety concerns, including coming back to the USA alone through customs; I will be automatically suspect. I am interested in going to at least one other location in South America that has some kind of mongering. (Venezuela and Columbia are off the list for safety reasons.) I am considering Lima, as it seems safe and sports at least has a couple of strip clubs. Also considering Rio and Buenos Aires. Got any suggestions on where I can enjoy a few days? Any places that a monger limited to basic conversational Spanish should avoid?

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jajake56
2 years ago
Why do you say you'll be an automatic suspect if your going through customs alone?

I have booked my first trip to Germany to visit the FKKs this fall and will be traveling alone.

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PutaTester
2 years ago
Not exactly. And my information is second hand, but traveling alone from a So. American country with a one way ticket raises suspension. It is like the IRS, your chances of being “audited” increase. I am not worried because I will not have anything that is even slightly suspect. I am simply expecting additional delay.
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PutaTester
2 years ago
And I went to Germany a few alone on a FKK run and had a small issue returning through Iceland. They said that I had too many liquids, in part because they counted my stick deodorant and toothpaste as liquids.

You are going to have a great time at the FKKs. I look forward to your reviews.
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jusflor
2 years ago
My opinion and maybe a little bias is Houston still have a good scene even though it’s no where near what it used to be. SC decline is national phenomenon and my theory is the explosion of sites like only fans. Why would top talent have to put up with drunks every night when she can just make as much of not more just selling videos out of the comfort of their home? I mean it’s a no brainer is you are them. Make the most by doing the least. If it’s mongering you want save up some cash (flight is expensive ) and spend a minimum of two weeks in Thailand. There is no better place in earth then Thailand.
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JAprufrock
2 years ago
Great stuff, @Garfield. It's big, big world and it seems just about everywhere is a better mongering option than the USA. Pisses me off sometimes, but then again, if it were legal here, I'd probably blow through all my money.

I would highly recommend Canada. Very underrated, especially Toronto. It's essentially legal (LE does not crack down) and it's a melting pot of races and ethnicities, something for everyone's taste. And, of course, they speak English. I haven't hobbied in Montreal, but I heard that is even better than Toronto.
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LVclubber
2 years ago
I have been to Brad's Brass Flamingo in Indianpolis a few times this year, and planning a couple of more stops there before the end of the year. Brad's talent hasn't changed much over the years. Mostly 5s - 8s. A rare 9. Mostly white but a few AAs. Prices have gone up, but I still think this club is affordable by the well paid midwesterner. No extras ITC. Only a few girls are avaialable OTC. That hasn't changed much over the years. Some changing of the furniture, but the basic club layout hasn't changed much over time. They did end smoking indoors. There is an outdoor smooking porch.
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tigerauburn
2 years ago
Great article, thanks for taking time and putting your thoughts. I have been mongering for about 10 years mostly in NC which isn’t great. One of my first good strip club experiences have been in RI. It’s been a long time but those clubs in the industrial belt had get mileage from the girls.
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Thick-5-Incher
2 years ago
Very accurate article about the sad decline of strip clubs since the 90's, which is when they peaked. The depressing state of affairs in Atlanta is occurring all over the country, and the last remaining meccas of nudie clubs like Dallas and South Florida will succumb to the same fate in the next 10 years. I also agree that Follies will probably always be my favorite American club of all time. Even though it wasn't perfect, it just had everything I liked -- plenty of young attractive women of all races who were willing to enjoy your dick in the private rooms. What else does a man want out of a no-strings relationship with a female? The one thing that never gets talked about Follies is the low lighting it had, it was the dark atmosphere that made it feel like a bedroom of a chick you just hooked up with at the bar and now you're back at her place and the pre-cum is drippin' out your dick and you're ready to fuck! I really hate these great clubs like Baby Dolls in Dallas where it's lit up like a God damn living room on Christmas morning with the in-laws. With that low lighting at Follies, it was so easy to get naughty with your dancer during a $10 lapper and slide a finger in her pussy or rub her clit and nobody could really see what you were doing. Plus, many guys were getting dicks-out dances as well.
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