how i found happiness in the VIP rooms

Yeah – I think the old saying “familiarity breeds contempt”; catches up w/ most of us hard SC-goers.

I recall a good while back what the wise-one shadowcat said to young TUSCLer “Estafador” - I think Estafador mentioned something along the lines that he was ok w/ going to the SCs and just looking – to which the wise-one replied - “one day looking will not be enough – then one day touching will not be enough” - or something along those lines.

Anyway – I think we all become accustomed to a certain level of SCing and after a while it's not enough and we need to go to a different or higher level – when we were newbies; we may have had a good time just looking at the naked dancers; then that was not enough and we had to touch and grope them and get grinding – then that became boring and we proceeded to more intimate pursuits – and even that can at some point become monotonous – then you become gay :)

Now we know what happened to old ricky.boy lol

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@just_the_nuts,

That's great! Ever since I first registered I've been outspoken against the 'extras' approach in strip clubs, and in favor of a more relaxed and natural approach, and for lots of deep kissing, and for a lessened focus on male ejaculation or on any type of dissociated sex acts.

'extras' means treating the girl like a vending machine. You shouldn't do that to her, or to yourself. Your own ejaculation should be a secondary or tertiary issue. Making her feel comfortable so that she can let go with you is the most important.

And it is easier to do this in the front room, where there are no strict controls on the time and where there is no strict money formula. You will be much more able to lead it in the front room. You can still be feeding her money, and it should be a better deal as there is no house cut.

Lap dancing started at SF MBOT, and it meant a girl sitting on your lap. What else happened varied, but often it was substantial. And then of course when the girl's stage set culminated in open tongue kissing with another girl, that certainly helped to loosen things up.

Later, when booths and VIP rooms were added, this did not necessarily make it better. Mostly it meant that the house would be making more money, but not actually the girls. And usually when you took a girl into a private space, she was not actually opened up to you. She was providing a mechanical service. Of course in San Francisco Deja Vu had much to do with this. They try to discourage and limit front room physical contact.

Girls experienced in wild and wooly environments know how to get friendly and to get money, while still in the front room. They know that they get more money if the guy never has to agree to anything, but instead it is just happening.

It will be easier for you to engage with her in the front room because you can lead it. Save back rooms for when your own pants are going to come down, like for FS, and after the girl is already extremely opened up to you.

Treat these girls like civilians, and find out that Viagra is unnecessary.

I long ago learned how to do it in AMPs. First I don't session unless she is a girl I actually like and intend to fuck. I keep window shopping until I find such. Second I don't discuss it with her. I treat her like a civilian and just let it happen. I talk to her as much as I can, it keeps her paying attention to what I'm saying. But I'm talking about myself, and letting her get to know me, and then I'm also gently asking about her. There won't be any talk of money or anything else, unless it comes from her. Otherwise, it will just happen.

Most of the time after being DFKed a couple of times, and often being quite surprised and disarmed by this, she will just say, "Do you want to do everything? How much you tip me?"

Then I just hand her the money.

But sometimes they don't say anything, except maybe to giggle some and just let what happens happen. In such cases they get the customary tip at the end.

While this does not always work, it works often enough and it is always mind blowing for both parties. So much so, that when I come back in a few weeks later they will all be jumping in front of each other to try and get a turn with me.

So in the near future I plan to be traveling to expand a business. So I'll be going into new places, and wanting to make new friends quickly. I'll be visiting Strip Clubs and AMPs, whichever seem to be better in a given place. So I will be wanting to engage in immediate FS-ITC and FS-OTC. Sometimes civilians move that fast, but not usually. So the basic idea will remain the same. Just let it happen. If the girl is being open and available to me, then I will take nice care of her money wise. But I'm still going to be treating her as a civilian at all times and with no exceptions. In a strip club the best is to get her on my lap and talking with me and making out with me.

Of course one corollary of this is that if a girl is resistant, NEVER do I mention money as a means of further enticing her. No, that is really stupid. Don't try to use money to get something until she has already decided that she wants to give it. If she wants money before proceeding, she is perfectly capable of communicating that. I would never dream of introducing money myself in order to try and persuade her. If I hand her money, as a fraternizing tip. I can always have something to say to her to make it seem like I am already her Sugar Daddy, and not that I am trying to buy some sort of service.

Dr, F.'s Girl by Girl Account of Front Room Friendliness tuscl.net

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Thank you my friend

And thank you for this article and your thread!

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Good post ..