Comments by CC99 (page 57)

Oh I do troll sometimes. I wasn't trolling on this thread though.

@IceyLoco SirLDK is basically a troll profile even though he's a real person. He doesn't really go to strip clubs anymore, but he likes all the arguing and drama on TUSCL and wants to keep watching/participating in it. Guess I can't blame him for that, it is pretty entertaining. However, he doesn't want to do this in a way that might put him out of line with the popular opinions on TUSCL so he only trolls and goes after members who are unpopular here, you, SJG, Nicole, and now me. SirLDK wouldn't dare troll a popular member on TUSCL no matter what kind of opinion they gave.

Continue just living in your bubble of ignorance that tells you that the way we're currently doing things is always the best way to do things and the only solution is to get with the program. Cya around, dumbass.

Learn how to actually have an argument. Learn how to do your own research so other people don't have to spoon-fed information to you before you realize that the sky is in-fact, blue. Learn how to accept proper evidence when it is presented to you. Learn how to stop being a conformist drone. Learn to recognize that insulting the other person doesn't make you right. Until then there is no point in anybody having a rational discussion with SirLDK.

I think SirLDK should go back to school since he has to have so much information spoon-fed to him in order to have a conversation.

Legal methods of solving social issues never really work. But from what I've seen, massive social change can happen in as little as 5-10 years.

The loneliness epidemic in the US is being cited as a greater public health crisis than obesity. https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/08/lonely-die The evidence for an abysmal dating scene is everywhere. Everywhere you look people are struggling. You've got MGTOW, incels, and the Red Pill. You've got hundreds of thousands of men who are so frustrated with the dating scene, they've completely opted out in favor of video games and porn. Think about how biologically insane that actually is. Other than food is there anything human beings are more biologically driven to crave than sex? Men in droves are choosing to give up sex because the steps you have to take in order to get it is too painful. Furthermore, you have other guys who are so frustrated with it that they are renouncing their citizenship and moving to other countries. What about the guys on TUSCL or other sites who probably haven't had sex with a girl who wasn't a prostitute in years, possibly decades? When you've got hundreds of thousands possibly millions of men taking such extreme measures to avoid the dating process here, you know there's something deeply wrong with the system we have setup and its irritating when the most successful people choose to just deny the existence of these problems.

I can't fake confidence. It wouldn't make me look docile to a girl so I might attract the wrong type of girl I'm looking for. Even if I did try, I'm terrible at it.

Because sexual intimacy is a physical need. You can't just masturbate and fix it, that only satisfies the need for an ejaculation. Humans have a need for physical intimacy or it will affect their mental health and its very likely that almost all of those 22% are not getting that. The reason for this assumption is because it is uncommon to be in the 22-35 age group that is in a relationship that contains sexual intimacy but not sex so it therefore is reasonable to conclude that they rarely get any kind of sexual intimacy. We essentially have at least 22% of the population of guys absolutely starving for physical intimacy because they haven't had any in a year. Furthermore, there is substantial evidence to conclude that a lot of guys hate the current dating scene. The entire existence of MGTOW, The Red Pill, and incels is proof that a substantial number of guys today despise current dating standards. You're just in denial because you're already married so you don't have to deal with this stuff. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-attraction-doctor/201204/why-are-men-frustrated-dating

My physical looks aren't great but they aren't bad. I'm probably a 6 on most days. If I removed absolutely all acne and gained some weight I might become a 7. I'm taking a break from working on that, but I have worked on it in the past and plan to do it again in the future. Thankfully my acne is very mild right now though.

The only required values I need her to share is to nurture and take care of the weak, and to reject power dynamics in relationships. As long as she has empathy for the weak and has no desire for power I will like her. I am willing, however, to date a girl who's made a religion I don't even belong to an important part of her life, although I have grown to respect that religion a lot recently, who opposes drugs being legal and who probably doesn't have a very good opinion on prostitution or strip clubs. But the religion part honestly doesn't matter to me much at all and the later two I can overlook.

Just think SirLDK. I'm not even in that 22% and look at me. How miserable do you think that 22% is if actually having had sex several times in the past year has still made me as miserable as I am right now?

There are shit tons of people being impacted by this. Did you not read NiceSpice's link. 22 fucking percent of guys aged 22-35 did not have sex once in the past year. That is a terrifyingly high percentage. That doesn't even account for guys who may have had sex a few times in that year and that's it. I'd say that's a really massive percentage of the population being impacted by this system. Almost 1 out of every 4 guys in one of the most sexually active groups of people have had no sex at all for a year.

I'm literally trying to guide you on how to engage with this topic and argument, giving you a foundation to begin your argument with and you just respond with more mindless drivel. Well the only alternative I've seen is hookers and hoping that a girl comes along who shares my values and is attracted to me. The chances of this can be increased by having a wider social circle. But I cannot risk becoming a bad person by making a sexual move on a girl because I could come to a false conclusion which could cause me to do the wrong thing so its better to just opt out of that kind of thing entirely and let the girl make a move on me because in that case, the chance of doing the wrong thing is 0%. If I pay a hooker, her consent is 100% guaranteed. There's no ambiguity at all. I can't wade into the waters of ambiguity because I don't understand body language and a lot of girls communicate too much with body language so I can't understand them. I have don't have much instinctual aptitude for body language, I can only go by what I've taught myself which is still frequently incorrect because I don't understand it on an instinctual level so I can't make quick decisions on it that end up being accurate. I might as well be trying to have sex with a girl who speaks a foreign language that I have only taken basic courses on. If I could touch the girl then I would understand but if I touch her and she didn't want it, I already made the wrong calculation and I can't figure that out just by looking at her. Only if I touched her and by then it is too late. Furthermore, I am very anxious about sex, it has the potential to make me either extremely happy or extremely miserable, and often times even with the best intentions I say things weirdly. Girls have a much better understanding of social nuance and body language than I do, so I'd rather just leave this part of the process up to them because I trust them not to make the wrong choice. Are you happy now?

There is only one point you've made and its not even a real point. All you've said is basically "stop blaming the system." But the system doesn't work for a lot of people and I have a better one. So instead of proving that the current system is actually better than mine, you just keep continuing your line which is just "stop blaming the system and improve yourself!" If we were to ever follow your advice, we'd still be living under monarchies with absolute power because everyone screeched at the radicals to "stop blaming the system and improve yourself" when that system doesn't work for some people. "Stop blaming the system" is not a point, its a cop out. If I was in the same position as you are in right now, I'd be trying to show evidence for why my system would put more people at a disadvantage when it comes to finding romantic partners and why it wouldn't reduce sexual assault or possibly raise sexual assault than the current system does. But because you can't show any evidence for this, you don't choose that route, instead just insisting that we respect the status quo and work with it instead of changing it so that it works better for more people.

That could be the case some of the time. It depends on whether she dates other guys like me or not. If she dates other guys with the same personality traits, I'm more inclined to think she just thought they were more attractive than me.

Your parents want you to be happy and successful. Usually, making plenty of money is part of that. But not everybody needs to or should want to be rich. Middle class would suit most people just fine.

You still have no points to make and additionally are persistently trying to make this entirely about me when the conversation is more so about how it would benefit everybody, and I'm just one of those who would benefit. You still have not offered a single piece of evidence to show that the current way of doing things is better than the way I'm suggesting. Now's your chance.

Regulating it is exactly what legalization does. Criminalization is handing the regulations over to criminals and decriminalization means no regulation whatsoever.

Nicole my dad is a lawyer, they make pretty good money and actually he didn't work anymore than the normal 40 hours a week.

@IceyLoco Who you're attracted to is more sociologically created than what most people think. You are actually a perfect example of this. You are consistently attracted to a kind of girl most guys here don't like. Not saying that to offend you, but whenever you create threads about the girls you like, most guys reply saying they are too trashy or they don't like tattoos. You respond saying you like tattoos on a girl. Sociologically, you look for girls that you think share your values and you think that a tattoo is at least a passive sign that she shares your values in some way. There are girls who are attracted to and like shy guys, they do this when they think the shy guys are more likely to share their values. My basic opposition is that I think girls who are attracted to bad boys are so because their values are based around wanting to be around a guy who is powerful because they think being associated with his power will make them more powerful. What you mention is my point, she wants a guy who is mean to other people but not to her just because she wants to be a partner in crime with him. It is based around wanting to look down on other people and exert power over them. I want a girl who is not looking to exert power over anybody. Rather, I am looking for a girl who wants to take care of and nurture the weak. If she lacks attraction to me because I'm weak, perhaps she lacks a sense of nurturing or empathy towards weak people in general. Which means she doesn't agree with my values which is that the weak should be taken care of and protected and that a society where the strong overpower the weak is fundamentally immoral.

Can't read? You're not satisfied with a guy getting rejected a hundred times and not having one success vs a girl who succeeded almost every time? We're talking about an 80% vs 0% success ratio with a guy and a girl who are about on the same level of attractiveness. You demand more and more proof despite the fact that I gave you very solid proof. If an attractive guy strikes out that often you really think the results will be different if I found a video of an average looking guy? And furthermore, you really think that an average looking girl would get rejected by 100 guys? There are guys willing to pay the nastiest girls you've ever seen substantial money in order to fuck them. Almost nobody questions the existence of a large number of desperate single guys. You're basically arguing that the sky is not blue, then I sent you a photo of the sky being blue and then you say that a photo of the sky being blue isn't enough evidence of it being blue. Which leads me to think you're just trolling at this point. You wouldn't be satisfied with any amount of evidence, you'd just find a way to call it an anecdotal observation. Which is why you should just step out at this point. NiceSpice replied with real arguments, with points and links to other sources which is why I lended her argument the respect it deserved whereas all you do is dismiss everything without providing any points of your own which leads me to think your only objective here is to irritate me.

Well at least NiceSpice is actually giving a real argument, SirLDK is just being an idiot/troll right now. #1: I wouldn't say the stigma doesn't exist, its more a matter that it is either exaggerated or is not nearly as severe as some people claim. There are a lot of of slutty girls, if the stigma was actually harsh, there wouldn't be anywhere near as many as currently exist. I'd liken the stigma of being a slut as similar to the stigma of smoking weed. Maybe there's some people who'll judge you for it, but a lot of people won't and furthermore, a lot of people are advocating for the stigma to be eliminated entirely. Nobody is advocating for the stigma against being a creepy pervert to be eliminated, but that also means that mistakenly placing the label on certain people has severe consequences for their life. #2: Many many many examples. My brother was dating this one girl, she cheated on him and fucked another guy, then tried to cover it up by filing a false rape claim. I have known two people in managerial positions falsely accused of sexual harassment. One guy managed to avoid it because the store had cameras and they showed the cameras to the police who were able to prove nothing happened. Another guy had a more complicated situation. A girl would continuously grab his ass at work, it happened several times, one day he grabbed her ass. Nothing happened at first. Some people then made a joke about how the girl has a fat ass, and the manager sniggered at it a little. The girl was extremely offended, went back home and claimed to have been sexually assaulted when he grabbed her ass. The cameras showed her grabbing his ass before, but because he was a manager, he is not allowed to grab hers under any circumstances, so he was fired. I know another guy in a group I knew from high school who was accused of sexually assaulting one of the other girls. This guy I'm talking about is one of the most docile people I've ever known. She spread the rumor that he had sexually assaulted her though, and later admitted it was fake, but for a long time, everyone believed her. He was so traumatized by this that he has never recovered. Even to this day, he is so anxious that he barely talks to anybody. That same girl who accused him, also called me creepy when I was 13 because I liked her but was very awkward about it and tried to talk to her but struggled to get sentences out of my mouth because I was so anxious. When I was 17, a girl took me into a classroom and started making out with me. It was pretty blunt, we started hooking up for a month. One of her friends however convinced her it was creepy because I was 17 and she was 15 and that even though there was only a two years age difference, that I had somehow taken advantage of her. So she spreads this everywhere. For awhile, I was called a creepy pervert by many people despite the fact that everybody knew about this and had been okay with it before. A few months later, she admits that I had done nothing wrong, that she had initiated it, and that her friend was basically jealous. At this point, people stopped calling me one, but it was possibly one of the most soul-crushing moments of my life when this was going on. There were times I went to dinner with my family and couldn't speak a word. A friend of mine's dad got accused of sexual harassment, the only reason it got dropped was because witnesses were able to say that he always insisted on keeping the door open and that the girl who harassed him was actually trying to shut the door so that she could accuse him. I know several other people who've told me about somebody they know getting falsely accused, these are just the people I know directly. I know enough stories that my parents have told me not to fuck random drunk girls at parties anymore because the potential for a false accusation is too high in environments like that. Rather instead get to know a girl and make sure she isn't the type of girl who'd do this. Both my mom and dad agree on this. Sexual assaults are under-reported but by definition every fabricated rape claim to the police is also reported which means a higher percentage of rape claims are false accusations than it appears. In addition, lots of false accusations happen as a part of "rumors" spread by a girl that don't end up being a police claim but can still ruin a guy's reputation among the people he is with. #3: I guess we agree here so moving on. #4: Hmm, Jester, IceyLoco, Pistola, Dominic, RickDugan, Daddillac, some guy I had an argument with back in October but don't remember his screen name, and several others have essentially advocated that being an attractive man requires the guy to dominate women sexually and that not doing so makes you a pussy. Furthermore, almost this entire site has a milder version of that and thinks that being anxious when it comes to making moves on girls is a sign that "you're a pussy" somehow. Too many people have said something of this nature for me to point out but this viewpoint seems to be shared by the majority of the site. This may be hard to determine because the members who don't share this view tend to not post very often but it is extremely common. #5: That's what the article says despite the fact that all the evidence they gave proved the opposite point. Spending more years in school and living at home usually isn't a deterrent from having sex. What they said in terms of "attitudinal shifts in women's expectations from relationships" is basically a really fancy code term for what many guys have been saying for years that certain guys are basically developing unrecognized harems. My theory is that the sexes are being pitted against each other by the current system. There's no reason to be fighting because the solution benefits the majority among both sexes. It only requires that the top percentage of men make small sacrifices and that the average girl make short term sacrifices for long term benefits. #6: Because its more important to have a system that allows for the largest percentage of people to have their needs fulfilled than it is to have a system that allows for a minority of people to have absolutely everything. Most people will be reasonably satisfied if they have something. It doesn't have to be absolutely perfect, but they will not be deprived to the point of suffering from excruciating psychological pain. If some people are suffering from this kind of pain because of the system we have, then its time for it to be reworked. Sometimes that requires telling people who already have a very good life and will continue having a good life even under changes to make what is really a tiny sacrifice so that somebody else doesn't have to live in misery. I think the basic problem is that Tinder allows these guys to remain permanently available instead of finding a girl and taking themselves off the market until their relationship either runs its course or becomes a lifelong commitment. Furthermore, with so many people saying that cheating is okay, that will mean even if they do date somebody, lots of people still think those guys are de-facto sexually available to other girls and it is assumed that they are more likely to cheat so that extenuates this. #7: I'm not opposed to guys asking girls out. I think girls should be the initiators of physical and sexual stuff though because men have proven that most of us can't really handle this role. You have two extremes: One guy is too aggressive and ends up sexually assaulting girls. The other extreme is guys like me who don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do so they opt out of the process entirely because the situation is too much pressure. Too much balancing between too aggressive and too shy. I stay on the safe side of things because the idea of causing that kind of harm to a girl is enough to crush my spirit and my soul so I don't ever want to risk doing that but apparently sticking to the safe side of things causes people to call you a pussy, loser, or whatever. There's no way to win. Stay safe and you're a pussy, go the other way and you risk hurting somebody. I refuse to do anything that hurts anybody even if I get called a pussy for it. But at the same time, I am miserable and lonely because of the choices I have made. But the alternative is becoming a bad person, and I cannot do that under any circumstances. I'd rather just kill myself than become a bad person. Thankfully though, I now have hope that this won't be a permanent condition, but even if I manage to find a special girl. What about all the other people who are going through the same thing I am and have gone through and believe there's no hope in sight? What if they kill themselves, because I didn't advocate for a new system that could help them? I would be selling out to every other person going through the same pain I am by supporting the current way of doing things. Under this system there's way too much sexual assault, way too much rape. And there's way too many girls taking advantage of this atmosphere to falsely accuse people they don't like of committing heinous acts which damages the credibility of rape victims and destroys the lives of innocent men. There's way too many people who are absolutely miserable. If somebody doesn't come up with an idea to relieve that misery, they may never be able to stop being miserable. If I was miserable and find a way to stop being miserable. I have an obligation to lift every other person out of that misery too. #8: Although its still possible, from what I've seen, the chances are significantly reduced. I don't think the ratio is equal. That being said, I'm very sorry about the bad luck you've had in the past. Abusive relationships are one of the biggest problems I'm trying to fix. By detaching power dynamics entirely from sex and relationships and eliminating the assumption that there has to be a dominant and submissive partner in each relationship and by eliminating the expectation of men to sexually dominate women. If its not equal then its broken. Its okay for people to have different roles in a relationship but that doesn't make one person the submissive partner and the other the dominant one.

Furthermore, you can't provide any evidence for why the current system is better than mine. Most of what you're doing is just finding ways to dismiss everything I said. The closest thing you came up with was saying that the system works for some people just fine. Well how about all the people that the current system doesn't work for? How about all the people who'd benefit from the system changing?

You keep calling it anecdotal observations so that you don't have to address the evidence. I gave a lot of proof and you simply came up with ways to dismiss it in your mind because you don't want to address what I said. I said the system I'm suggesting would work better for everyone. Sexual assaults would go down, false accusations would go down, shy guys could get girlfriends, girls can feel safer around guys knowing they are mostly pacified and aren't being pushed by other guys to get into their pants, gender relations would improve because you wouldn't have nearly as many bitter people. There's no reason not to advocate strongly for what I'm suggesting, both girls and guys can benefit from it. Feminists will like that it reduces sexual assault and puts women in an empowered position of choice, MRAs will like that it reduces false accusations of sexual misconduct, lonely virgins will like that it will encourage girls to overlook their shyness, regular women will like that they don't have to dodge men catcalling and harassing them nearly as much, average guys will like that this takes some of the pressure off of them. It may not benefit the guys who get laid a lot already, but, it won't really hurt their chances. Shy girls might be at a slight disadvantage, but we can mitigate that by having guys ask girls out first, but then leaving the physical/sexual stuff for the girl to initiate. Given that guys should wait for a girl to feel comfortable with sex before proceeding, this can still benefit shy girls so that guys don't push them into sex before they are ready but the shy girl will always know that the guy is interested and up for it when she is ready. I've thought about this from every possible angle and thought about the interests of every group I can think of. The evidence is clear, we would all have better lives if girls were the initiators of sexual/physical stuff. What possible reason could you have for being against this?