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thank you for your helpful post Dolfan. anyone else got any thoughts?

i know extras are easily available near the airport. that is NOT what im looking for. im looking for ITC extras in downtown toronto. can this be had anywhere at this time?

i have contributed good intel. my reviews where as detailed as any you will find on this website. and yes I have of course read all the reviews for clubs in Toronto area. I know extras can be easily found in mississauga but thats not what im looking for; im looking for in the actual city of toronto.

thank you to everyone who posted. I'm still worried about this but I'm going to go and report back here with the outcome. In several of the reports i read where these black people where denied entry; they mentioned that the reason they where given for no entry was :dress code requires a collared shirt". I reviewed sapphire's dress code on their website http://www.sapphirelasvegas.com/sapphire_club_features/faq.php and there is no mention this is required. I almost never wear collared shirts and probably wont have time to go buy one before I'm in vegas so hopefully i still get in. I've never had this problem at rhino and I have no "wanna be gangster" syndrome at all so I"m hopeful there will be no issues.

Guys I appreciate the responses but please stay on topic. I know it's expensive. I know the hustle is crazy. I don't care about any of that and I'm prepared for it given that I've been a regular at rhino in Vegas since 2015. So back to the point of this discussion. Has anyone been to sapphire in the past 2-3 weeks? If yes did you see any black customers inside?

@philip Yeah man back in 2015 when I first started going to rhino the quality of girls was unbelievable. Back then their dayshift had significantly hotter girls then they had on weekend nights when I was last there. I hope to be pleasantly surprised when I return and hopefully the talent is back at that insane level.

@jsully63 Thanks for your post. I have researched palomino a lot and yes it seems to be a lot cheaper and more mileage then rhino or sapphire. But is also seems on average the girls at palomino are clearly not on the same level as rhino or sapphire and that's a deal breaker for me. If I'm going to pay for a girls company in anyway then she needs to be super hot. I don't see the point of paying even a 7 for dances. Many times I've gone to a club willing to spend thousands of dollars during the visit but walked out without buying a single dance because none of the girls who came up to me where legit Instagram model quality hotties.

@londonguy Thanks for your post. I'm very surprised you still think rhino has the best girls. When was your last visit at rhino? When they started renovations a few years ago the quality of girls completely fell apart in my opinion. I have not been back since November 2017 so maybe the quality of girls is now back their incredible pre-renovation level. From reading reviews it seems sapphire now has the best girls. Regarding Extras: I'm looking for in the club fun NOT otc Also, what is this advantage you mentioned? What do you mean by that?

I dont care if I have to dress a particular way to get in; i just want to get in. The post on instagram sounded like they where just making any excuse to keep black people out. If I need to wear a collared shirt to get in then thats fine; but it seems to me that the situation is worst then that. I'm not really suprised though because even when I was very active at rhino a lot of nights i would go in ready to spend and get completely ignored most of the night. Yes I'm young and black but I dont dress, talk or behave in a ghetto or low class manner. This one (hot) white girl who danced for me a few times told me black guys had a very bad reputation in Vegas for being pimps and/or low spenders. She told me even though she preferred black guys in her personal life, she said in the club (rhino) she avoided them completely and had only come up to me because I had one the suits bring her to me.

I'm very sad to hear that sapphire seems to be rejecting black people. I'm a young black guy and I was planning to visit this place in a few days. I've never been to sapphire but from 2015 to 2016 I was a regular at rhino and probably spent at least $30 000 - $50 000 in that place during that period. Back then I never tried sapphire as I assumed rhino had the hottest girls. From reading the recent reviews it seems sapphire now has the best girls so I was planning to visit it next week but now I keep hearing they don't want black people so I guess I'll stick to rhino.

@ vincemichaels13 How can a 3 hour flight be a problem ? Who said anything about a 3 hour flight being a problem? If Detroit was a 3 hours flight away I would go tonight.

@ AnonymousJim "You say it's too far, yet you've been able to do COI and Atlanta, which tells me you've been across the country. Hard for me to imagine you couldn't find a $200 flight to Detroit from anywhere in America if you plan it right." I've never been to Atlanta as its too far for me. COI is close for me but from all the research I've done it seems extras are available in mass quantities but not with hotties. I have no interest in extras with 6s and 7s, If i pay it has to be hotties. Regarding Detroit. the problem is not cost of the flight but length of the flight.

@ DroidX2 "I'll go out on a limb and suggest Atlanta. Pretty much an inexpensive flight from most cities. You could have a really good time with very attractive girls for less than $800." Yes from reading reviews here Atlanta seems great but unfortunately its too far for me as well.

@ WillMunny "In most markets where a VIP "on the clock" is standard, a 30 minute session is more common than an hour. So taking $400/half-hour as your standard, even backing out "overhead" costs (room, tips, drinks, cover, parking, etc) you should still be well above market rate almost anyplace except NYC or possibly Vegas." Can you recommend any cities besides Detroit where extras are available for $400/half hour or less? I have no experience with NYC but I would be shocked if extras with 9s and 10s are available in Vegas at that price.

@ WillMunny "Repeating: what about Detroit rules it out for you? And you seem to imply something lacking in COI or Miami - if that's the case, what?" - Detroit is simply too far for me to access - Miami is AMAZING and meets all my requirements but is also too far to go to - Regarding COI. I did a lot of research on this place and it seems extras are easily available but the quality is not good. If I'm going to pay then quality has to be the best. I have no interest in extras with 6s ad 7s. "The other subjective questions you leave open to the reader are what constititutes an8/9/10 (in your personal view), and how many you need to see in a club to meet your elusive standards?" - I do not have any specific requirements. I'm sure what most guys consider and 9 or 10 will be very close to that for me as well. I'm NOT one of those guys who believes in that whole "one guy's 9 is another guy's 6". " You might also consider being more cordial to people who are genuinely trying to help you out. Acting like a dick here won't get you better answers, and if you have a similar attitude while clubbing it could explain why you're not getting offers where others report positive experiences." I honestly was not aware i came across like a dick and that was not my intention at all. I sincerely appreciate you and everyone else who has taken the time to reply to this thread. I just get annoyed when guys post recommendations that they obviously have no direct experience to back up.

@_Chulo "Yeah - Houston is not what it used to be w.r.t. extras - there was a crackdown about 3 or 4 years ago and it's never been the same - many clubs either had to remove their VIP rooms or make them open - some extras can still be had but one would not go to Houston for that specific purpose these days." I'm surprised you say this. I've read a lot of Houston reviews the past few days and it seems extras with hotties are definitely available there. In fact right now Houston is the best option I've found given my requirements.

@ WetWilly Thanks for the suggestion but Im looking for a club in either USA or Canada. I should have have specified this in OP.

@ Dolfan "My recommendation would be Toronto, or at least the greater Toronto Area." Wow. Another vote for Toronto. I've spent a lot of time in that city. which club exactly do you speak of? Where in toronto are extras with 9s and 10s available?

@ Cashman1234 "I’m sure there are clubs in the NYC area that might provide the services you seek. However, the expense can be significant, so there probably isn’t a good ratio of “bang for your buck” Which club are you talking about exactly? Where have you personally received offers for extras by a 9 or 10 in nyc?

@ WillMunny "The way you've framed the question leaves a lot open to interpretation. Most cities with more than 2-3 clubs will have a number of 8-9+ dancers. If money is no object, their willingness to do extras is generally just a fuction of how much it takes to meet their price." I never said money was no object. I would be willing to spend up to $800 per hour for extras with a 9 or 10. That's $800 total so room fee, the girls share, any bouncers that need tipping, $800 per hour total for everything is my limit. I'm looking for in the club action NOT otc. Now that I've clarified my needs, do you have any recommendations for me?

@ shailynn11 "Look to our friends of the North. Toronto." Wow another suprise. I've also spent a lot of time at brass rail/upper brass in toronto which it was my understanding was the club with the hottest girls. I did receive an otc offer there once but never got the impression itc extras where available. Which toronto club do you speak of where extras with 9s and 10s are available?

@mark9411 "Probably nowhere in the US except possibly Vegas." I'm shocked people are mentioning vegas. I've sent a lot of time at the rhino which I think is the top club in vegas. Never once got the impression extras where available there. What are you guys talking about? It seems a lot of people are coming in here and speaking with no experience. Have you personally gotten extras with a 9 or 10 in a vegas club?

@ chessmaster12 "I would guess nyc or vegas. One would think extras are possible in those $1000 vip rooms." I do not think this is true. The completelly private rooms at the top vegas clubs I think are $2000-$3000 per hour. I think the $1000 per hour or less rooms are shared in top clubs like rhino and sapphire. I could be wrong but I'm 85% sure I'm correct.

To everyone who keeps insisting on Mexico. I do NOT care how close it is to San Diego. I have no interest at all in going to mexico.

@ Corvus Are you serious about Salt Lake city and Idaho? You can get extras with 9s and 10s in these 2 cities? really? what club?