ID scanning

The only concern is their selling the database t a third party who mails you. There is literally no valid reason to do this although some of the lies I am told are hysterically funny.

You do not have your tinfoil hat on. The ID scanning companies (e.g. PatriotScan and GuestBan) are actively working to build businesses where they sell "flagged" lists for bad behaviors to their corporate customers. It isn't much of a stretch to think that they will eventually want to start selling this sort of information to elsewhere. It isn't exactly impossible to envision a world where you a receiving a morality "score" on pre-employment checks just like a credit score.

Some states have laws about data storage and usage, but they aren't followed. For example the door person at Stars Cabaret in Bend, OR told me that they keep it for management to review and for "marketing." That is entirely against Oregon law. I got a similar story at one of the New England clubs that scans IDs despite that state having laws prohibiting any storage of ID info (that particular state permits scanning, but bans retaining or storing the information or any obtained from that scan). Word in the comments here is that they aren't scanning IDs as fastidiously so I won't shame them here, but I'll identify them in DMs.

FWIW a couple of the clubs near me have seen a downturn in business and are less likely to turn away customers that refuse an ID scans. I'm sure macro factors are driving that more than customer revolts over ID scans, but every little bit helps.

I think with most things most people won't complain they may even let their id be scanned once but I bet a lot of those customers dont ever come back. The stupidity of these managers to think something like this could possibly help them make money in this kind of business always shocks me.

I've been told it gets deleted daily unless you are bounced for misbehaving. Sounds legit.

The argument is usually they have to prevent underage drinking and have to scan everyone. Sounds like bullshit. The storing it for 24 hours also seems like bullshit. There are data retention laws but like you guys stated they aren’t followed. I simply stop going to any club that scans my ID.

I’ve stopped going to clubs that scan IDs as well. Even though I live alone and I doubt I would lose my job if word got out. But still, I don’t want to deal with a headache if there was some sort of data breach.

I’ve occasionally thought about getting a fake ID just for SCs that scan. Fake name, fake address (abandoned/torn down house) & fake birthdate (with in one year of my real age).

I walk away if they insist on scanning my ID. I don’t even carry it into a club with me. That’s also my same approach with credit cards. I have found that 90% of clubs requiring ID with intention of scanning it will acquiesce if I threaten to walk away. They want that cover charge! I do not appear to be younger than forty, so if they even push the ID issue at all then I specifically ask what they intend to do with it. 3 clubs in central FL will scan ID’s if given the opportunity. I don’t give them that opportunity!

I'll try to look at maybe the positives, it might actually keep the crooks out. Some of these places it's a big problem with these motherfuckers.

The strip clubs are REALLY stupid to go along with the ID scanning program. Have you seen how a high school coach lost his job last week because he went to a strip club while on a road trip? The majority of the population is not OK with strip clubbing as a hobby.

I think Blahblah is right on about each of us being given a "morality" score that follows us around to employment and insurance companies. Meanwhile, as I posted before, our cars are going to be scanning our faces as we drive, starting with the 2027 model year. It's all going to tie in!

Also meanwhile, I attempted to get a drone pilot's license. Guess what? The FAA contracts with a business called PSI that conducts the written exam. Just to even make an appointment to take the test, I have to use authenticator on my phone and submit to facial recognition or a fingerprint. I called to find a way around it, and they said there was none. I said: "I guess I won't take the test then". She said: "Fine. Is there anything else I can help you with today?" Meanwhile we have drone swarms shutting down airports, which has nothing to do with licensed drone operators.

So, yes, in the near future this is all going to tie in. And it is going to hurt strip clubs since society frowns on its sons/employees/customers/husbands patronizing them.

Some towns/cities where strip clubs are located require license scanning as one of the conditions for being granted or keeping an adult entertainment and business license.

I know this was the case with one of the strip clubs in Massachusetts (Hurricane Betty's in Worcester). They probably could have fought it in the courts and may have eventually won, but that takes time and money.

I'm not a fan of it, that's for sure. I'm not worried about my info being sold to marketers, I don't like having one more entity knowing where I go and what I spend my money on. I use cash every time I enter a store, bar, strip club, etc.. The only time I use a debit or credit card is for paying bills online. Cash for just about everything else. Cash spending for most things needs to make a comeback, but most young (and old) people never have it or use it. A police state it coming.

Clubs now have the ability to scan your ID without actually placing it in a scanner. All the bouncer at the door has to do is to look at your ID and cameras in the ceiling will do the scan. If asked for your ID, I think the best course of action is to act surprised and ask why. Then act disappointed and say you left it in your car you'll have to get it. Bouncer may then let you in, but if he doesn't, just leave and go to a different club.

The info. might be useful to police to round up suspects and witnesses in the event of the assault or murder of a club patron or dancer. The practice could be required by the club's insurance company. My ideas are pure supposition, though. Most of you seem to have actual knowledge of data companies, etc.

I always leave my wallet with my I D in the car . That means go back to the car and go somewhere else

Same as IRman for me

I've also started to wonder if cameras are being implemented in some cases as an alternative way to "scan" a license? I don't have knowledge of that one way or the other, but from here on out, I'm just not going to give them my license at all. I had already flirted with the idea of refusing to even hand it over to view, and that's going to be my policy going forward. I'm obviously well over the age of 21, so I see no legitimate need for a club to question whether or not I'm old enough to enter! And if a club can't make an exception, I'm willing to walk...

One club I used to go to asked for ID, then checked it against a handwritten list of people not allowed in the club. A couple months later, they upgraded to the scanners.

Aren't smart glasses supposed to be on the market soon? Clubs could start using those instead of cameras in the ceilings.

Again, trying not to assume the worst, in doing background checks on potential employees, I've never seen or been offered a "morality score."

I have heard the one place I go to regularly with an ID scan has to do so in order to keep its alcohol sales license in its city of business. I don't care for it, but it's either go there or drive a lot farther for a lesser strip club experience

@loper: Not yet, but I am concerned you will see something like a morality score soon. We are gradually being desensitized to being on camera 24/7.

Another example: I hold a commercial driver's license. In order to keep it, I have to submit to an annual physical. It is not perfunctory. The doctor says: "Your neck is over a certain circumference. You probably have sleep apnea. Won't pass you until you take a sleep study. The study will probably find you do have sleep apnea, because you are not allowed to sleep on your belly during the test due to the wires they have on you. Now you have to use a CPAP machine to pass the physical to keep your license. How do they know if you use it? The CPAP is "smart" and talks to your internet connection, and every morning it sends a report in to the company that cooperates with the government so they can sell more cpap machines. So the government is monitoring me in the privacy of my own bedroom.

And the kicker is that cpap breathing machines are hard to tolerate and the failure rate on people adopting them is 50%. So highly experienced truckers are losing their jobs because they can't pass the physical. There is a shortage of truckers.

And now they are considering licensing 18 year olds to drive semis to fill the gap. And Texas has a program for self driving semis in Houston. Which do you think is safer?

The trouble with the authorities is once you give them permission to use facial recognition to track down pedophiles, they go ahead and start using it for handing out parking tickets. We are all criminals in their eyes.

If you sometimes give in to the temptation to jack off, don't worry. That is considered normal adjacent behavior and the eye in the sky doesn't care. What are you so uptight about?

good points, lightfield