First off, I abhor and detest political violence in any form. I hate the fact that Kirk died and has a grieving widow and children. Now that this has been stated, I should point out that many people on both sides of the political spectrum agree with this sentiment.
It is not correct to suggest that a person's death, however tragic, spares them from the criticism of their actions in life. I have sat and listened to Kirk's podcast appearances and videos of his debates. Kirk said very hateful and racist dialogue and used rhetoric not unlike protests against the Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. You can not repair a nation by demeaning a percentage of your population and dividing it. The fact that so many states are memorializing this man, with me living in two of them, says EVERYTHING I need to know about the people supposedly mourning him. Kirk did not deserve to die, but speech has consequences in this world, and the government can not protect you from everything.
God, I wish I could move to Atlanta, GA, or Southern California so badly.
My disgust is twofold. The assassination of Charlie was bad enough, but the politicization of his death is worse. This is being used as a way to go after Trump's opponents, not mourn a man. The public wake was more befitting of a Trump rally than a solemn period of remembrance. This entire process post-assassination has been a TPUSA campaign.
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^ Fuck you
It is an extremely unfortunate event. I do not pay attention to politics very much at all. It's become such a dividing factor. I just would like it if we would all tolerate each other at least. And that goes for World Affairs too.
I doubt Charlie Kirk publicly said anything overtly racist. It doesn't need to be said. People who want to keep progress against racism stalled just work to preserve a structure where family money and social networks have an dominating effect on what opportunities everyone gets. It's a hard sell, to expose the closet racist leaders. It's easier to convince people that society should do more to help people help themselves.
Fuck yourself punkin head. The original post is valid.
As far as violence in politics goes, personally, it shouldn't be anything worse than rotten eggs and rotten tomatoes thrown at the orators.
@Chunky, as far as social networking, yeah, sadly that does still happen. A guy I used to work with was an aviation student. He was one of the laziest, most incompetent people I had the displeasure of working with, and he failed to get his CFI -- Certificate for Flight Instruction -- something necessary for graduation. However, one of his buddies has a dad who's some high muckity-muck in aviation, so guess who got a letter of recommendation and got a job, even though he isn't qualified.
Yeah, it isn't a matter of what you know so much as who you blow.
Charlie Kirk’s quotes - you can decide if they were racial in context-
If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024
If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine? – The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022
Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023
If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action? – The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024
If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023
Owlyoung, you say you don't support political violence, then immediately make excuses for it (as long as it's left-wingers committing or inciting it).
You're more upset that the Killing of Kirk received too much favorable coverage and outrage, and had a galvanizing effect amongst conservatives and other normal people, than you are that Kirk was brutally murdered by a hate filled (freshly indoctrinated) left-winger.
What would have pleased you is if Kirk had been murdered, received little to no sympathy or attention across the country, and an undercurrent of approval by the masses for further such acts of violence against other conservatives had ensued.
At least be man enough to say what you really think.
It isn't making excuses for political violence, to say you continue to oppose Kirk's political views, while sympathizing with his family and friends.
Imagine that you fell in love with a woman, and you found out the government would only issue her an ID or a passport that claimed she was a man. And blocked her from using the public restroom she felt was the least dangerous. And winked at it when she was threatened and harassed. If you look at what's been reported about the accused killer's personal life, the trigger likely was personal, and only indirectly political.
^ Maybe that's the kind of "women" you fall in love with, ilbbaicnl. But most of us here are not homos.
@ Lex Luthor..my words are genuine that I wish the man was not killed. I am not approving of left wing violence. I am simply saying that actions have consequences. Sometimes those consequences are disproportionate to the act committed.
If you are a black man, and you walk into a well known white supremacist group meeting (like Neo Nazis etc.) you should realize that may hear some things that very unflattering and may well be killed.
Those things SHOULD NOT happen, but you are taking a risk.
Honestly, I wish we lived in a timeline where the assassination attempt never happened on Kirk or Trump's life. Therefore we could actually focus on the problems the country has instead of the distraction of murderer.
Is this owlyoung douche a troll or legitimate liberal idiot? Charlie Kirk's actions were to talk to people, hear their beliefs, and then debate them. His actions were to give people he disagreed with a platform to be heard and consider both sides. That justifies his murder? No, it does not, you asshole.
The biggest problem this country has is the violence from the LEFT which you are making excuses for. This is not a both sides issue. There is no corollary or equivalency between the scale and frequency of leftist violence as compared to the right. Charlie Kirk's assassination is not a distraction, it is the current zenith of the rising violence from a rabid leftist mob whose political leaders - AOC, Schumer, Jeffries, et al- have only increased the tempo and volume of their dehumanization of their political opponents.
Going to a college campus to talk to people and engage in open debate is in no way comparable to walking into a hostile, clandestine meeting of fringe radicals. You really are the type of college grad who learned nothing, fell for the scam, and should demand a refund.
Progressives are simply cowards. revel in Charlie's death Owl, you fucking simp, when its your turn to be Kirked I will unabashadly cheer. same way I will when someone guns down Mamdani.
Please try killing yourself again; after a lifetime of failure maybe just once you will succeed. By the way stupid if you actually read posts, you'd know I stopped pounding a long time ago. Fuck off loser.
@Good610
Not one of the RAGS (Reach around gang) addressed your post. Not one.
I was saddened by the death of Charlie Kirk. Maybe I missed it, but I did not see a discussion of the Ukrainian girl knifed to death so would like to say here I was saddened by her death too. Any murder is bad but it is worse if the murdered individual is young and have most of their life still ahead of them.
What the Left is numb to is they built another "Plantation" this time of 13-30 year olds to seal up their votes for power and control. When people see life outside the "Planation", they are curious and interest arises.
Charlie Kirk comes up as a teenager doing a 180 on the Indoctrination process. Can't have that now can we? Teenagers are developing their own thought, and Charlie provided "the another side", and it made sense to millions of them. over 3,500 TPUSA Chapters, and now a request for 120,000 more (this will pull back a lot), and we have a "clear and present danger" to the Left's 46 year old "Plantation" that DOE created.
On this "Plantation" there are people who can be called "Blue Shirts" and "DNC Youths", or as I have described from the movie "Forbidden Planet" - "Monsters from the ID" that can't be controlled. Aside from the MSM vomit spewers saying Nazis, Fascists, ICE is Gestapo, we have these mentally infected who believe murder is the only solution.
College was the last shot the Left has at making sure people are permanently indoctrinated. Look no further than the past 2 years of campus riots supporting Hamas and these colleges allowing it, and do absolutely nothing to the point it looks like they are supporting it. Even those university presidents from MIT, Harvard and Penn really got crushed during congressional hearings, and I mean crushed. COVID school at home via video gave parents are direct view what their children were being fed like making goose foie gras. Then, parents went to school boards and were booted out and then had the FBI looking into them as American Terrorists. And, this was OK with the DNC, Dems, Left. Charlie Kirk was a serious threat, AND even worse a potential POTUS in years to come. Better kill "baby Hitler."
We have been programmed to question if DEI/Woke had a priority over someone who was better qualified for a position and that doesn't mean a white person. There have been a lot of very unqualified who got an important position over better qualified because of DEI/Woke. That is why it is questioned, The failures of many make you go hmmmm sometimes.
‘ There have been a lot of very unqualified who got an important position over better qualified because of DEI/Woke’.
Curious - since a lot, curious who are 3 examples of the unqualified and who didn’t get those jobs?
@docsavage conversation regarding Iryna Zarutska murder was had here: tuscl.net
3 examples of unqualified DEI hires: Kamala Harris, Ketanki Jackson, Admiral Richard Levine. Biden said he would have a black female VP, de facto eliminating tens of highly qualified candidates with more experience, better temperament, and a proven track record of success. At that time, Kamala was the biggest loser in the 2020 dem primary race and had no reason to be chosen. Biden said he would choose a black female SCOTUS nom, de facto discouting scores of highly qualified picks. As a SCOTUS justice, as a justice, KJ has been openly ridiculed by her colleagues for writing the most idiotic opinions in the history of SCOTUS. A tranny Asst SECHEALTH. A person who clearly presents as mentally unfit for service. Enough said. How about his gay SecTrans, buttcheck. Boot-edge-edge. He had no qualifications as mayor of Shithole, IN, to be secretary of transpo and proved that in spades during his tenure. He was more interested getting his paternity adoption leave than addressing one of the most disastrous train derailments in modern history. Here's more: goldco.com budget.house.gov and the private sector: pjmedia.com education: irishtimes.com and of course, the LA Fire disaster with their butch fire department lesbian leaders.
So many disasters could have been avoided, or at the very least properly addressed and mitigated, if qualified people were selected instead of people who checked the correct boxes on identity exercises.
I already know that good610 is uninterested in truth and honest conversation. His list of Charlie Kirk quotes taken out of context shows that he only wants to have his cognitive bias reinforced and live out his little life in a liberal echo chamber. You've come to the wrong website for that, pal.
I'm wondering if PhantomGeek is the guy who got drunk and threw the sub sandwich at ICE.
@Good610 This article, thecrimson.com , says the average SAT for a white student at Harvard is 745, and 704 for a black student. An SAT score of 600 is well above average. So the black students are well qualified. The average for Asian students is 767. So DEI is also helping white students, it's just helping black students more. But MAGAts can never tell the straight-up truth, because it would burn their tongues like holy water burns vampires. So they claim that DEI means people don't meet basic qualifications.
DEI probably helped JD Vance get into Yale. The Ohio River Valley region has lower average income, so they likely figured his accomplishments were that much more impressive, since he started with a handicap. The same reasoning that DEI applies to the accomplishments of black people in the US.
They use DEI and woke as an excuse to believe unqualified non white people are being hired or advanced when in reality, they just don’t understand the simple principles.
Their examples listed above are pretty weak as they were chosen and hired based on experience. I would take Mayor Pete as transportation security versus another Fox Entertainment guy (this 8 months of Duffy’s role has been a disaster between all the events that have occurred under his watch).
Gammanu95 wins, Good610 loses. Chunkychicano takes the win over Good610, too.
Yep. DEI helps the incompetent. When whackjobs like Trump, Hegseth and gammy are your idea of competent.
The main beneficiaries of affirmative action are white women btw
Amazing how much we discriminate from what we see with our eyes. And then our ears... Maybe being blind and deaf might be an advantage after all.
Perfect example of the best merit ever that DEI is depriving you of: youtube.com
You can get a discount code for this from gammy: youtube.com
I think that we can all agree that in the end Charlie Kirk leaned left.
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