First off, I abhor and detest political violence in any form. I hate the fact that Kirk died and has a grieving widow and children. Now that this has been stated, I should point out that many people on both sides of the political spectrum agree with this sentiment.
It is not correct to suggest that a person's death, however tragic, spares them from the criticism of their actions in life. I have sat and listened to Kirk's podcast appearances and videos of his debates. Kirk said very hateful and racist dialogue and used rhetoric not unlike protests against the Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. You can not repair a nation by demeaning a percentage of your population and dividing it. The fact that so many states are memorializing this man, with me living in two of them, says EVERYTHING I need to know about the people supposedly mourning him. Kirk did not deserve to die, but speech has consequences in this world, and the government can not protect you from everything.
God, I wish I could move to Atlanta, GA, or Southern California so badly.
My disgust is twofold. The assassination of Charlie was bad enough, but the politicization of his death is worse. This is being used as a way to go after Trump's opponents, not mourn a man. The public wake was more befitting of a Trump rally than a solemn period of remembrance. This entire process post-assassination has been a TPUSA campaign.
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It is an extremely unfortunate event. I do not pay attention to politics very much at all. It's become such a dividing factor. I just would like it if we would all tolerate each other at least. And that goes for World Affairs too.
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Kirk believed gun deaths were just a part of a society with gin ownership rights. He dismissed empathy as a woke invention created to weaken us. His organization is listed as a hate group by the ADL and the SPLC.
All Ive seen in person is people indifferent to him. He was a nobody. At most he was the Johnny Somali of political podcasters.
Dont let the crocodile tears from old racist white whore mongers on here make you think they reflect anything resembling reality. Their political and social views are as out of touch as their musical tastes
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^that part is true, icey. Making guns fully illegal doesnt necessarily reduce gun deaths. If someone is carrying out illegal killings do you really think they will think, oh, guns are illegal i guess i wont get one then.
Also charlie was more of a moderate. He may have made racist comments but all he said about immigrants was they should be deported. He didnt want the war in iran.
So he wasnt evil or violent to where his killing should be celebrated by anyone. Especially considering so many athletes, musicians and rappers say flat out racist things. If Charlie for instance expresses doubt about the capabilities of a black pilot, that is his opinion, not something he can be attacked for. And theres plenty on the left who openly state that white people or cops or politicians or rich people can just be mugged or robbed or attacked. If you have the right to wish evil and pray for peoples deaths that applies to every race religion sex etc. this seems to be a consistent trend with pro BLM folk where they believe racist or discriminatory comments make it okay to attack or kill someone
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I doubt Charlie Kirk publicly said anything overtly racist. It doesn't need to be said. People who want to keep progress against racism stalled just work to preserve a structure where family money and social networks have an dominating effect on what opportunities everyone gets. It's a hard sell, to expose the closet racist leaders. It's easier to convince people that society should do more to help people help themselves.
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Fuck yourself punkin head. The original post is valid.
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@ilbbaicnl people get to choose who they affiliate with, who they do business with and who they give their money to. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with family money or social networks. Also most of these companies are hiring people based on skill level and who they can make profit off of, not so much off their social network. You can do all the networking and even get referrals everywhere you want but youll get rejected in interviews if you dont have the skills they want. Its weird to be critical of family money and to blame racism on something like family money or social networks. If you feel strongly about family money being bad then you should just not give any of your money to family members.
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As far as violence in politics goes, personally, it shouldn't be anything worse than rotten eggs and rotten tomatoes thrown at the orators.
@Chunky, as far as social networking, yeah, sadly that does still happen. A guy I used to work with was an aviation student. He was one of the laziest, most incompetent people I had the displeasure of working with, and he failed to get his CFI -- Certificate for Flight Instruction -- something necessary for graduation. However, one of his buddies has a dad who's some high muckity-muck in aviation, so guess who got a letter of recommendation and got a job, even though he isn't qualified.
Yeah, it isn't a matter of what you know so much as who you blow.
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Charlie Kirk’s quotes - you can decide if they were racial in context-
If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024
If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022
Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023
If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024
If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023
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Owlyoung, you say you don't support political violence, then immediately make excuses for it (as long as it's left-wingers committing or inciting it).
You're more upset that the Killing of Kirk received too much favorable coverage and outrage, and had a galvanizing effect amongst conservatives and other normal people, than you are that Kirk was brutally murdered by a hate filled (freshly indoctrinated) left-winger.
What would have pleased you is if Kirk had been murdered, received little to no sympathy or attention across the country, and an undercurrent of approval by the masses for further such acts of violence against other conservatives had ensued.
At least be man enough to say what you really think.
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It isn't making excuses for political violence, to say you continue to oppose Kirk's political views, while sympathizing with his family and friends.
Imagine that you fell in love with a woman, and you found out the government would only issue her an ID or a passport that claimed she was a man. And blocked her from using the public restroom she felt was the least dangerous. And winked at it when she was threatened and harassed. If you look at what's been reported about the accused killer's personal life, the trigger likely was personal, and only indirectly political.
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^ Maybe that's the kind of "women" you fall in love with, ilbbaicnl. But most of us here are not homos.
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@ Lex Luthor..my words are genuine that I wish the man was not killed. I am not approving of left wing violence. I am simply saying that actions have consequences. Sometimes those consequences are disproportionate to the act committed.
If you are a black man, and you walk into a well known white supremacist group meeting (like Neo Nazis etc.) you should realize that may hear some things that very unflattering and may well be killed.
Those things SHOULD NOT happen, but you are taking a risk.
Honestly, I wish we lived in a timeline where the assassination attempt never happened on Kirk or Trump's life. Therefore we could actually focus on the problems the country has instead of the distraction of murderer.
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Is this owlyoung douche a troll or legitimate liberal idiot? Charlie Kirk's actions were to talk to people, hear their beliefs, and then debate them. His actions were to give people he disagreed with a platform to be heard and consider both sides. That justifies his murder? No, it does not, you asshole.
The biggest problem this country has is the violence from the LEFT which you are making excuses for. This is not a both sides issue. There is no corollary or equivalency between the scale and frequency of leftist violence as compared to the right. Charlie Kirk's assassination is not a distraction, it is the current zenith of the rising violence from a rabid leftist mob whose political leaders - AOC, Schumer, Jeffries, et al- have only increased the tempo and volume of their dehumanization of their political opponents.
Going to a college campus to talk to people and engage in open debate is in no way comparable to walking into a hostile, clandestine meeting of fringe radicals. You really are the type of college grad who learned nothing, fell for the scam, and should demand a refund.
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Progressives are simply cowards. revel in Charlie's death Owl, you fucking simp, when its your turn to be Kirked I will unabashadly cheer. same way I will when someone guns down Mamdani.
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Skibum. Get help. Youre a drunk old man inciting right wing violence on a strip club/cheap hooker site 🤡
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Please try killing yourself again; after a lifetime of failure maybe just once you will succeed. By the way stupid if you actually read posts, you'd know I stopped pounding a long time ago. Fuck off loser.
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@Good610 those are mostly racist comments, yes, but so what. Theres plenty on the left who make similar racist comments. Look at left wing influencers and podcast guys and politicians. Most who support BLM are racist. Its technically the same as supporting the KKK or any white supremacist group or other hate group like the black panthers etc.
As far as affirmative action that is actually true. It literally held black people to a lower standard than white and asian people. It would literally be like allowing non black people to enter the nba or nfl even if their performance numbers were lower than black participants. By the way the funny thing is people pushing for affirmative action never want to have it in the nba or nfl or hollywood or music industry. So it is once again a racist policy where people who support it, ONLY support it if it helps their favored races, and absolutely dont want it if it hurts their favored races. Youre not really a genuine well wisher of people in need and under represented populations if you only want affirmative action only in industries where black people are under represented like politics, finance tech industry college admissions etc
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An Indian with autism telling us that opposing white supremacy is racist against white supremacists. Cant make this shit up
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@icey, if you insult white people in general or make generalized comments about whites, that isnt the same as attacking white supmremacy
But secondly, if you choose to attack only white supremacy instead of racial supremacy as a whole, that is in fact racist. It is literally akin to only complaining about white murderers and white thieves and completely ignoring thieves and murderers of other races. Makes no sense to say you want to “fight white supremacy” when you should instead just be fighting racism.
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Saying opposing bigotry is bigoted against bigots is inane. Not a real argument
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@Good610
Not one of the RAGS (Reach around gang) addressed your post. Not one.
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