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Keep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
I'm not going to review a club in particular, the issues seem to apply to La Zona generally, not a particular club. I wouldn't want to bring any repercussions down on any BG. And, not much point in saying where the bathroom is, etc. in a club I'm hard thumbs downing on.
Disclaimer: My Spanish is meh, the music was loud af, I have old man ears, the BGs only partly heeded my requests to speak more slowly.
Seems like you have to assume that at least half of any money you give to a BG will go to the waiters and the club. That includes money you throw on stage.
If you are an arriba guy, you're a BG fav. Not sure if that's because they keep a higher percentage of that money, or arriba maximizes what the BG can make in a half hour of time. But I wasn't looking for arriba. The VIP is by-the-song, $23 per song (which many US clubs can beat) in HK. Especially given that I've never seen half as much tip grovelling in any US club. The BGs hate hate hate VIP specials, because then they are getting a fraction of a fraction. In spite of all this, the BGs say they can't make near as much anywhere else. But, in spite of that, their apathy is at least as bad as the lower hustle US clubs. I suspect having to deal with borderline pimpy waiters contributes to this. If they had not been so apathetic, I might have thought at least enough of the $ trickles down to them. But no.
Some chance I was getting pity hustled. But, in many a US club, I can get good hustle, not just pity hustle.
Many attractive dancers, many that weren't for me. On a par (only) with a better US club. Unless you have a fetish for plastic surgery that US plastic surgeons would lose their license for performing. Don't assume a BG isn't highly educated because of poor English. Poor Spanish doesn't mean you're not highly educated.
I gave a quick Stripper 101 lesson. To avoid alcohol problems, only drink at work with PLs who are insistent on it, and only if they make it well worth it. The response was basically well I don't drink THAT much (chug chug chug chug).
If you as a gringo are undecided between a lighter and darker BG, pick the darker complexioned BG. She's getting shit money from the Mexican customers.
If you're black and your shlong isn't enormous, go to TJ and kill the stereotype.
Coming out of Mexican immigration, I couldn't find a Taxi Libre, so I took a chance on another company. The driver said it was a "welome to Tijuana" taxi. I can't find a picture of the markings but there were lots with those markings. The drivers ask for US$7 or MX$150, and also ask for a tip. Didn't see any sign of the HK shuttle.
Also coming out of Mexican immigration, an aggressive beggar asked for $1 to not "scare" me. I looked at him like whatcha got, and he gave up. Pretty good English, probably one of those guys who gets deported on release from prison.
Disclaimer: My Spanish is meh, the music was loud af, I have old man ears, the BGs only partly heeded my requests to speak more slowly.
Seems like you have to assume that at least half of any money you give to a BG will go to the waiters and the club. That includes money you throw on stage.
If you are an arriba guy, you're a BG fav. Not sure if that's because they keep a higher percentage of that money, or arriba maximizes what the BG can make in a half hour of time. But I wasn't looking for arriba. The VIP is by-the-song, $23 per song (which many US clubs can beat) in HK. Especially given that I've never seen half as much tip grovelling in any US club. The BGs hate hate hate VIP specials, because then they are getting a fraction of a fraction. In spite of all this, the BGs say they can't make near as much anywhere else. But, in spite of that, their apathy is at least as bad as the lower hustle US clubs. I suspect having to deal with borderline pimpy waiters contributes to this. If they had not been so apathetic, I might have thought at least enough of the $ trickles down to them. But no.
Some chance I was getting pity hustled. But, in many a US club, I can get good hustle, not just pity hustle.
Many attractive dancers, many that weren't for me. On a par (only) with a better US club. Unless you have a fetish for plastic surgery that US plastic surgeons would lose their license for performing. Don't assume a BG isn't highly educated because of poor English. Poor Spanish doesn't mean you're not highly educated.
I gave a quick Stripper 101 lesson. To avoid alcohol problems, only drink at work with PLs who are insistent on it, and only if they make it well worth it. The response was basically well I don't drink THAT much (chug chug chug chug).
If you as a gringo are undecided between a lighter and darker BG, pick the darker complexioned BG. She's getting shit money from the Mexican customers.
If you're black and your shlong isn't enormous, go to TJ and kill the stereotype.
Coming out of Mexican immigration, I couldn't find a Taxi Libre, so I took a chance on another company. The driver said it was a "welome to Tijuana" taxi. I can't find a picture of the markings but there were lots with those markings. The drivers ask for US$7 or MX$150, and also ask for a tip. Didn't see any sign of the HK shuttle.
Also coming out of Mexican immigration, an aggressive beggar asked for $1 to not "scare" me. I looked at him like whatcha got, and he gave up. Pretty good English, probably one of those guys who gets deported on release from prison.
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Call a waambulance you whiny twat
I will play along and comment on your discussion.
“Seems like you have to assume that at least more than half of any money you give to a person working in the USA and its capitalist countries will go to the mangers and oligarchs. That includes money you throw on as tips”
TIFFY you are welcome.
The USA, Canadian and Mexico are exploitative abusive capitalist societies that came from slavery and indentured servitude that makes Americans believe they are better of now than other nations when anyone questions why America can’t be more fair or equal.
Around the world, there are many types of capitalist societies, ranging from liberating to exploitative, protective to abusive, democratic to unregulated.
When Americans declare that “we live in a capitalist society” what they’re often “defending” is our nation’s peculiarly brutal economy where so-called unskilled workers are typically incentivized through punishments in a society where inequality reigns and poverty spreads.
They did say interesting things about some police unit that protects paradas from their pimps. Supposedly these police can't be bribed by the pimps. But, as much as I could understand, seems to be about protecting paradas who want to quit sex work. Not helping them to do sex work as independents/renegades.
I would imagine BGs want to stay in the good side of club management because their other option is standing on a street corner.
The plastic surgery comment was interesting - PLs have posted many photos on here and other places and I’m usually like “meh,” although there’s a beautiful one here and there.
Since you’re writing this I’m assuming you are/were there on a weekend?
What’s the make up of the customers? What percentage are Mexicans, what percentage are Americans? What’s the percentage of racial make ups? Someone mentioned a lot of Asian guys from Cali go there too.
I do have to admit I find it very difficult to focus on detecting any of these activities because I’m usually distracted by her and her Amigas.
As to the actual dancers. If they are simply dancing on a bar or on the side, the tips go directly to them and they keep it all. If they are a scheduled dancer, the house pays the a small additional stipend per shift and they must dance their scheduled time slot; even if they are with a customer. If they are not a scheduled dancer but wish to dance on one of the main stages, they must pay the house a $10 fee for the privilege of dancing. They keep their tips but they "tip out" the waiter that is assisting them through their set and gathering the tips from the stage for them. Additionally, scheduled dancers at Tropical will be taken around the bar following their set for additional tips. Unscheduled dancers simply get what is thrown onto the stage during their set.
As I basically said, either they are apathetic because what I was told was true, they are shortchanged and have an extremely hostile work environment. Or they are apathetic for other reasons, and the less apathetic BGs can only muster enough enthusiasm for a pity hustle. Either way, not appealing to me.
You wrote and I quote:
“As I basically said, either they are apathetic because what I was told was true, they are shortchanged and have an extremely hostile work environment.”
Who doesn’t have an extreme hostile work environment?
Work is so terrible workers they have to be paid to do it.
The bargirls are working in the sex business and it is a business, it’s all about money.
the girls are just playing the sympathy card for some potential extra cash, and tell the customers what they believe the customers want to hear…
You make such stupid statements and assumptions about everyone it’s ridiculous to imagine anyone taking you seriously
My work environment was never hostile, I enjoyed many aspects of my job, and I’m sure a great many others do as well.
@llib
You seem to think ok yourself as some sort of savior, guess what, it’s no surprise the girls scam you with phony sob stories, they’re mostly there of their own free will despite you and others like you, being a white knight, you’re laughed at by the girls you think like you, they don’t actually you probably come across to them as thinking you’re somehow superior.
I wan't scammed into thinking the BGs I saw were apathetic and drank waaay too much. I avoid such dancers in the US, so why should I go to TJ for that? They didn't laugh at me to my face. I doubt any of us want to know what the sex workers we see really think of us.
You don’t need to come on here like Iceefag, and school anyone, don’t make assumptions that we’re taking advantage of anyone.
If they don’t want to be around us, none of us here is forcing them to do anything.
In US clubs management gets a cut. Her pimp gets a cut. She has bills so her landlord robs her. Utility companies rob her.
If you want her to have money pay her decently.
If utility is overcharging it can be taken care of.
Landlords generally dont rob, unless there’s something that needs fixing thats not being fixed.
An escort without a pimp keeps her money...
OTC strippers keep their money...
And hookers working clubs generally have pimps
Over my years partaking in the pleasures offered south of the border, I have come to know many of the participants. I may even hazard to call many of them my friends. I can state unequivocally that the ladies working in the four main establishments in ZN do not have pimps and do not split their tips or room money with anyone. With this said, they may tip other workers for service. For example: the waiter assisting with a dancer or bringing food. I have also seen them tip room stewards for services rendered. The only fees that the house takes a "cut" of are fees that are collected by the bar. These include drinks, private room rental etc.
Although most of the ladies are working in ZN to support their young children, I have met more than a few that simply enjoy sex and find this an easy way to generate income. Some of the young mothers there are working there to pay for higher education or job training. I have met ladies training for flight attendant, law school, beauty school etc. I have even met one young lady saving her money to open a bar in Mexico City. I have also met some that truly regretted their decision and were quick to return home. I still keep in touch with many of these friends that I have met and occasionally visit them.
Each and every one of my friends had relayed that they keep all of their tip and room money. Most of them are proud of making a legal (yes in Mexico it is legal) wage and of being able to support their family or further their education. I am grateful for the relationships made in ZN and will continue to partake in the pleasure that is south of the border with a clear conscious.
As I said, arribas / getting a room is the way to go if you go, I certainly hope it's true they get to keep all of the arriba money. But, if it's such a great opportunity for them, why wouldn't they be friendly with a customer who is stage tipping them, when few other customers were?
Most people would rather shovel shit than do sex work. Which is why I think sex workers should be treasured and should get generous compensation. Few if any sex workers find their most preferred sex partners among their clients. A minority of them consider almost no one ugly based on physical appearance, and get a charge out of the therapeutic nature of sex work. So it's not a hard job for them with a normal customer. But they are particularly targeted by hateful people, and few can completely avoid bad experiences with those people.
One of the Google definitions of work that applies to more people in a capitalist exploitative society like in the USA is:
“doing something you hate in a place you hate with people you grow to hate for the majority of your day for the majority of your life.”
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