Conversations with Wondergirl
Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:06 AM
Wondergirl and FONDL have been discussing some of her observations and thoughts following her tryout at Club Risque. I thought some of you might be interested in what she had to say. Sorry for the length.
Our discussions started with FONDL originally making some comments about the attitudes of some dancers that she encountered.
Wondergirl - I totally agree with you. From what I've noticed the girls feel guilty about what they are doing. They feel dirty and ashamed as well. I think alot are truly ashamed of themselves so they get this harsh attitude to convince the world it doesnt bother them. Some girls probably do it because they enjoy the power over men. These girls probably lived lives where a father or boyfriend ruled over their lives and when they got away they still carry bitter feelings towards men. If they do enjoy it they are ostricized by the other girls (I learned that the hard way LOL) and label them "extras" girls. In order to make themselves feel better they justify it by saying "at least Im not dirty like her". (Like in Lord of the Flies)
I truly believe that if our country didn't make stripping (and even prostution) so tabu alot more ....hmm..mentally stable (for lack of a better term) dancers and customers would appear. The fact that you guys on the site are grouping together is a start. You guys enjoy looking at pretty girls and that's normal. So why then should you have to skulk in the shadows of the internet and be ridiculed by the very dancers you go see? As for the dancers, why do they feel so offended when some one finds them arousing and pleasant to be around, its a compliment.
Look at the Geishas - they had their skills down to an art form. It wasn,t purely sex. They were trained to be graceful and well versed in arts and literature. They were attentive and able to carry on a conversation. Sometimes thats all someone wants, plesant company to forget your woes for a bit.
Mankind trained itself to deny our most natural reactions and urges. We've replaced it with McDonalds and gossip television. Women are losing their feminity under the guise of equal rights and liberation. I don't feel liberated, I feel oppressed by my own kind. Men have been browbeaten down to ultrafeminine Backstreet boys. If they show any natural male inclination they are pigs.
FONDL - Wondergirl, that's a pretty profound email. I agree with everything you said (which is maybe why I think it's profound - LOL.) I also think there are two other factors at work here:
(1) When people take a new job (in any field) they go through three phases. First they are excited and full of positive energy and think everything is wonderful. Then gradually as time goes on (typically 3-12 months) reality begins to set in and they discover that everything isn't wonderful and exciting, there are things they don't like. Eventually they will respond in one of three ways: they quit and move on, or they come to terms with the job and accept it and try to make the most of it, or they stick with it but hate it and complain constantly and do as little as possible. The strip club industry seems to have a disproportionate percentage of people in the latter group. My advice to you (which I doubt you need) is to avoid such people as much as possible, they can poison your mind if you let them.
(2) The other aspect is that our country is full of people who think the world owes them a living, that the government should take care of all their needs without them having to do anything. When they get out into the real world and discover that they actually have to work, they're pissed off. They think life is unfair. These are the dancers who think that guys should throw money at them just for taking their clothes off, they shouldn't actually have to be nice to the customers and they resent them for thinking so.
The good thing about all this is that you can take advantage of it. Try hard and keep a positive attitude and you will stand out, you'll be one of the most popular girls. And one of the best paid. It's also more fun that way.
My ATF is one of the most positive people I've ever met (which is how she got to be my ATF) - she's always smiling and laughing, in spite of having come from a really shitty background. I once asked her why she's always so positive. Her answer - "I choose to be positive, life is more fun that way." Now that's profound.
W - LOL. I got a bit preachey there but its something that always bugged me.
I think people started expecting life to be handed to them in the 80s (aka generation X)
And now that generation Xrs are having children - look at how the world is developing now, we've become nothing but consumers. We really arent very productive compared to the rest of the world.
Anyway before I step up to the soapbox I should tell you that Club Risque called and they want me to float between their other clubs. I told them Id think about it. Its some crazy driving. But I do have other auditions lined up.
Also I settled on Angelica as my stage name hee hee.
F - I wasn't being sarcastic, I really did find your comments to be pretty profound. In fact I'd like to share some of them on TUSCL, only with your permission of course, it's stuff we've often talked about and an honest dancer's prespective (which is hard to get) would be interesting. May I?
I disagree on your point about the 80s - I think this was all an outgrowth of the 60s. Young people totally screwed up their lives, then expected someone else to take care of them. Since then an awful lot of people haven't been willing to take responsibility for their own lives - they want to take all kinds of outrageous risks, then have someone else bail them out when things inevitably go wrong. It's all part of nanny government.
Congratulations on Club Risque. I've never been to their other 2 clubs but they're not far away from the one we visited, maybe 15 or 20 minutes max. The NJ one might even be closer for you. What other clubs are you considering?
W - I know you werent being sarcastic LOL. Its fine if you want to post them too, in fact I was thinking about that too.
You're right, it was in the 60's, I didnt even consider that. (I wasn't around then hee hee.)But yes, that's when people did start expecting a hand out while simutaneously complaning about the state of things.
I was looking at that Wedgewood Inn but I want to know what it's like first. Their big selling point was work here then go to your nite job. Im going to Jersey Girls tomorrow and then hitting up the Paterson NJ clubs.
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