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@Call.Me.Ishmael

I am sure you know that;

Discussion Posts in the Political Discourse Forum, mainly quotations, as well as comments in the website are used by me as a means of inspiration and to invoke philosophical thoughts from the reader.

Pragmatically speaking, quotations can also be used as language games (in the Wittgensteinian sense of the term) to manipulate social order and the structure of society

“Like everything metaphysical the harmony between thought and reality is to be found in the grammar of the language.”

~ Ludwig Wittgenstein
~ Austrian-British philosopher
~ Born: April 26, 1889, Vienna, Austria
~ Died: April 29, 1951, Cambridge, United Kingdom

Ludwig said it all...

Unions are monopoly institutions that raise wages through collective bargaining, not productivity improvements.

Kind of a funny story (no, not really) - I previously have mentioned I paid my own way through college, graduated with zero student debt. I funded my education working summers in hot, difficult factory labor jobs. And yes, it was a union shop.

When I returned to the same job the second summer, the union steward came around my first day, he explained that I will have to join the union, pay an initiation fee, and be subject to weekly withholding of union dues.

I informed him that I had already joined the union the previous summer so I was not required to pay the initiation fees again. He glared at me angrily, demanded I bring in my union card the next day and stomped away like a petulant child.

Only proves the scam they were running on the short term college kids. They weren’t interested in helping us, they were only interested in lining their pockets with hefty dues for a 3 month gig

@motorhead

Americans have always joined together—whether in parent teacher associations or local community organizations—to solve problems and make changes that improve their lives and their communities.

Through unions, people join together to strive for improvements at the place where they spend a large portion of their waking hours: work.

The freedom of workers to join together in unions and negotiate with employers (in a process known as collective bargaining) is widely recognized as a fundamental human right across the globe.

In the United States, this right is protected by the U.S. Constitution and U.S. law and is supported by a majority of Americans.

Again (of course this was in the 50’ and 60’ before they were infiltrated by the FBI and destroyed)

“They (the unions/the people) have spoken, not for narrow self-interest, but for the public interest and for the people.”

~ John Fitzgerald Kennedy aka JFK
, Aug. 30, 1960
~ Born May 29, 1917 Brookline, Massachusetts, U.S.
~ Died November 22, 1963 (aged 46) Dallas, Texas, U.S

Don't engage in a rational discussion with CJ. He deserves as much consideration as SJG.

It's all flame bait with cherry-picked quotes.

Wrong. In 1925 a new Ford cost $260. Assembly line workers at ford made $5 a day. So a ford employee could work 52 days and buy a new car (income tax was 1.5%). The uaw made the Japanese auto industry possible.

Of course unions are narrow, self-serving groups. Absolutely. That doesn't mean that their self-serving interests haven't produced public good. Any good free marketer knows that selfish interest often generates good results for everyone.

That's not to say that unions today are a net positive for society, individually or collectively. They produce bad effects in many circumstances. How much the good outweighs the bad is a subjective question.

Cum is just a troll.


Union membership needs to be easier and to expand to everyone. It's the only way to fight businesses.

“With all their faults, Trade-Unions have done more for humanity than any other organization of men that ever existed. They have done more for decency, for honesty, for education, for the betterment of the race, for the developing of character in man, than any other association of men.”

~ Clarence Seward Darrow
~ Occupation: Lawyer
~ Alma mater: Allegheny College - University of Michigan
~ Born April 18, 1857 Farmdale, Ohio, U.S.
~Died March 13, 1938 Chicago, Illinois, U.S.

@motorhead

You should be aware of the undeniable reality.

The American economy has always included a mix of market and political criminals— political connivers and manipulators.

In all cases, of course, the criminals known as "robber barons" did indeed profit by exploiting American customers.

For example, Leland Stanford, a former governor and US senator from California, used his political connections to have the state pass laws prohibiting competition for his Central Pacific railroad, and he and his business partners profited from this monopoly scheme.

Unions had a legitimate purpose at one time. That time has passed. Now they raise production costs. Unions created the overseas labor markets we see today. There is a reason unions in large cities are often tied to organized crime - money and power.

Something for the anti-capitalists to consider, labor unions are, and by their very existence pro-capitalism, genuine labor unions couldn't exist under Marxism or socialism.

@twentyfive

Everyone knows the undeniable truth that historically, organized criminal groups such as the FBI and/or the Mafia gained substantial corrupt influence, and even control, over labor unions by creating a climate of fear and intimidation among employers and union members by threats and acts of violence. 

You’re right that doesn’t refute anything that I said, and doesn’t negate all of the positive gains made by unions on behalf of their dues paying members.
So your point is as usual useless.

Unions represent workers rights in theory. So they can exist in any system. And countries where they move towards socialism support workers councils Unions etc. However bourgeoisie influenced unions have been counter revolutionary forces.

In a capitalist system yeah they're a part of the systemic machinery and become corrupt due to their leadership conspiring with businesses. But even with that they're better than nothing and union members in the US are better off.

^ You’re an idiot, who never passes up an opportunity to show us how stupid you really are.

What’s really dangerous is public/government worker unions. They pay off the politicians/gov officials (with campaign contributions and endorsements)who then “negotiate” (lol) their pay and benefits.
What could go wrong?
The taxpayer gets fucked in the ass.

We get more fucked by the private sector that does as it pleases. Unions help balance things out

20fag you called me stupid yet I was agreeing with you🤡

You said they can exist in any system, no they can't just look at Solidarity in Poland, they changed the system they couldn't exist within the system.

I said bourgeois unions revert to capitalism within socialism. They're anti revolutionary.

Solidarity was a Cia brokered org that countered the national labor union in Poland.

^^^I'm sure you think you made sense, but no you didn't make any sense at all, you're just posting gibberish to feed those voices in your head. CIA had nothing to do with how The Polish people got rid of the Commies, that was all Pope Paul, but you weren't even born then, so sure I stand by my statement, you never miss a chance to show off exactly how ignorant and uneducated you are.

That pope worked with the Cia.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document…


You may have been alive but you're stupid and don't know much. Your reply was gibberish since you couldn't answer.

Go have another drink

^ dopey the doc you posted is talking about a million and one things no place does it have any discussion of solidarity, it makes mention of a addlebrained theory that the CIA was behind the assignation attempt on Pope John Paul, you better have a few more tokes on that crack pipe,
what a bozo 🤡🤡🤡🤡

^*assassination

https://www.iwp.edu/articles/2019/03/17/…

Go have another drink and miss your family