Dancers who dont want to be treated like hookers and dont want to feel guilty?

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I had rapport with one dancer. Smoking hot Asian, great dirty talk, no ITC extras but repeatedly alluded to anything and everything available OTC. Then when I explicitly asked, I got "no, that would make me a hooker, ew!" I let it drop at that point but still got great dances.

The converse is how many civvie girls act like hookers. Say they are looking for "generous guys," some explicitly ask for guys to take them shopping or refer them to their Amazon wish list. Some even want you to CashApp them money just to _talk_ to them. Then if you don't, they insult you and say you're "broke."

I've also known civvie girls who would fuck anything from a Great Dane on up who invented convoluted definitions of "slut," as in "I'm not a slut, because unlike Melissa, at least I don't ... ... ..."

Moral: Women (and men for that matter though we aren't talking about them here) will redefine any term like "cheating" or "hooker" to make themselves feel good about it.

Here's a hint, as one of the more prolific online daters here. There are plenty of single (or polyamorous) women out there to date and fuck; they're honest about what they are, and don't bring extra drama into their lives. Those cheaters will cheat on you too. If you just want to dip your stick, go on Tinder, be honest about it, know the big scams (like Bitcoin traders, especially Asian-born Asians), and prepare to drop your standards.

I'll leave OTC to the king of it (RickDugan) or others who have at least done it.

Women will have different definitions of being treated like hookers. Some women might accept expensive gifts and then have sex with the guy who gave them the expensive gifts and not see that as prostitution. Some women will consider certain things as acceptable, e.g. letting a stranger grope them for money, while other women would get outraged if you were to offer money for that. Women in strips clubs usually allow some touching but how much varies. One night I had a stripper get angry at me when I touched her breasts during the lap dance. The next girl I did a lap dance with I avoided breast touching and halfway through the lap dance she grabbed my wrists and put my hands on her breasts.

I never ask for sex from a stripper. Usually, they like that but I've had some regulars who seemed a little annoyed or frustrated they can't make more money off me by getting me to do extras either inside or outside the club. So, you can have strippers get annoyed at you for asking for extras and you can have strippers get annoyed at you if you don't ask for extras. I think the rule that strip club customers should follow is that it is ok to offer money for something but not ok to get angry if your offer is turned down. The rule strippers should follow is that it is ok to offer lap dances or extras but not ok to get angry if turned down.

Good posts.

Regarding the not feeling guilty thing, there are some dancers who apply the logic of “whatever happens in the club stays in the club”. These dancers will do all kinds of extras ITC, but OTC refuse to even flirt with a guy over text.

But if some dancer has both the not feeling guilty issue and not wanting to feel like a hooker, those ones may be harder to get extras from or you have to go about it differently than directly asking. One dancer for instance said if her milk comes out in the dance it’s fine but she doesn’t want it to be a dealbreaker.

Docsavage the first thing you mentioned is kind of what SJg Talks about. Basically the guy is giving the woman the gift for free, and the woman is giving the sex for free. Some escorts define the transaction as that. In those sorts of situations the guy is taking a risk by giving the gift. Cause technically the girl doesn’t have to give sex in return.

Docsavage what kind of lapdance was that where they dont allow breast touching? Isn’t breast touching supposed to be guaranteed in a lapdance. Doc you are right everyone should follow the stoic approach but due to legalities i wouldnt directly offer money for an extra I would rather ask if they do otc or extras. How come you don’t want extras or sex from strippers btw? Moral reasons?

"Docsavage the first thing you mentioned is kind of what SJg Talks about. Basically the guy is giving the woman the gift for free, and the woman is giving the sex for free."

SJG is delusional and autistic. Pay his "definition" no heed.

Hoeing is purely about money.

Hoes easily compartmentalize it. And cope with drugs alcohol. Whatever.

You get hoes with pimps and boyfriends. Boyfriend pimps. Renegades are becoming more rare.

Their mindset is different. In her mind she takes money for her time and gives it to her pimp. She's not taking money for sex. In her mind he takes care of her.

Or girls who just day they don't fuck for free. Civvies are that way especially instathots.

You'd learn more having a life outside of trolling

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>>>You'd learn more having a life outside of trolling<<<

Take my advice too 20fag

Icee why are renegades becoming rarer since the police state is increasing? Hoeing is becoming more and more socially and legally acceptable so the pimp is losing more and more purpose.

I don’t understand the rest of your post. I was talking about how some civvies and dancers might be okay with otc but dont want to feel like a hooker or slut doing it and dont want to feel guilty if they have a SO or are religious. It seems like you just posted random thoughts on hoeing in general

BigThirdEye, asking someone why they prefer lap dances over sex with strippers is a little like asking why they like chocolate ice cream more than vanilla ice cream. Different people like different things. Not everyone is the same.

I don't see buying or selling sex as immoral because it is a voluntary transaction between two consenting adults. I reserve the word "immoral" for those who use force or fraud to get what they want. When I was young I was married. I liked having sex with my wife but she was pretty demanding and I finally decided it wasn't worth meeting her demands in exchange for sex so I left. Ever since then I have often felt that women expect too much in exchange for sex. In the case of strippers, I always think they want too much money for sex. Most of them also want too much money for lap dances but in that case I have found a few who are worth it. Sex is more fun than lap dances but the price is just too high, at least for me.

One thing you should realize is when strippers get angry that you want to buy sex it is not always a case they are angry at being treated like a prostitute. When you do that, you are showing you are not interested in buying what they are selling. They want to sell you lap dances but you don't think their lap dances are worth it. This is a form of rejection, so they get angry. Some strippers like to portray the typical situation in a strip club as men getting angry at girls because they won't do what they want but it is just as common for the girls to get angry at the guys because they won't do what they want.

Bte I posted how they rationalize it.

Renegades are becoming less common because of street politics. In places like vegas or la. Stockton Sacramento San Francisco. Hookers are forced to choose up if they want to work.

For the most part it's the same girls advertising on sugaring apps and hoeing sites that you see working clubs or the blade. They utilize whatever means to attract tricks that they can. And pimps and gangs tax them or coerce them til they choose up

Also really young girls are just extremely passive and see it as being taken care of.

One of the reasons for tye new California laws that don't arrest hoes for loitering is to help them coz of the robberies rapes and attacks against them by gangs and affiliated pimps in order to make them choose up.

Iceefag I did take your advice on your threads I decided to just be a troll like you

Shit! Wrong account! 😖...

The guys on here talking like there's different classes of hookers are idiots. In Vegas for example girls working clubs also work the strip on slow nights and are on sugaring and eacort sites. But idiots on here would pretend it's all different girls. And the sites and setting up dates and everything is usually done by their wife's and pimps

The lines are definitely bluring. I’m on SA and frequently see the same women on “standard” dating sites while even using the same profile pics as they’re using on sa etc.

A guy could spend a lifetime trying to understand all of the contradictions often found in the behavior of women. I'm long past the point of diving down that rabbit hole. For me it's enough to understand when a contradiction exists and to tailor my approach accordingly.

There is no reason to ever treat women as hookers, not in any situation.

SJG

I just don't treat them like hookers. Simple.

Or maybe instead of looking at it from this disgusting angle, customers and johns could show and give the respect to sex workers that they expect us to give to them? We deal with a lot of mental bullshit from customers and johns and it's really hard to maintain a high level of patience and customer service. Having respect for each other isn't that difficult in a consensual meeting.

Women don't like to be treated as hookers.

Sometimes though they just learn to put up with it. But even so, there is no reason to treat them that way.

SJG

^"Sometimes though they just learn to put up with it."

That's saying we deserve to be cat called or raped based off of what we wear. No fucking wonder I had you blocked on my old account. I forgot how disturbingly dumb you are.

Sometimes, you should just learn to put up with everyone's opinion of you and learn your place.

SJG but there seem to be all kinds of posts about OTC here where things were as simple as the dancer being asked for OTC or offering it herself. In those cases were they just okay being seen as a hooker? The money was worth being seen as one?

Bubbleyum technically offering money for OTC isnt disrespectful. You’re offering money for a service. A service that a lot of people give for free. It’s only seen as offensive or disrespectful because of social or religious brainwashing, societal brainwashing etc. Asking someone for sex for free, vs asking them for sex for money? The first one is technically more offensive yet in a brainwashed society the first option is seen as acceptable and second one is considered a grave offense. It’s all about that mental game. Being seen as or treated as a hooker has a certain stigma to it. The stigma is so severe that some people think being offered sex for money is more offensive than being asked for sex for free.

Bubble Yum stick to your guns, anyone telling you to learn to put up with it needs a good swift kick in the ass, is all.

BTE, where in the fuck from the vast emptiness of your mind did you conclude that I said any of that? Are you that incapable of understanding a woman where you have to interpret the complete opposite of what they say? This is completely rhetorical and I'm ignoring you from now on because you're nothing more than a waste of space and another useless member of these forums. Have a wonderful day and good luck with whatever you're using all of this free information from us for, you fucking piece of shit. ❤️

Women will often present themselves as prostitutes and talk to you that way. BUt you should not over talk to them yourself that way.

SJG

Bubbleyum I thought you were implying it’s disgusting to ask for otc. Maybe i misread you

YOu get them outside ASAP, and you give them money as seems best, but you don't talk about it as OTC or P4P.

SJG