In a Gallup poll in 2002 people estimated the gay population to be about 20%
This year it’s risen to 25%
In actuality it’s less than 5% (although progressives try to push a number closer to 10%)
It’s no surprise people vastly overestimate the percentage given the leftist agenda Hollywood and the MSM push. Seriously did NFL and NBA teams and TV networks have to change their logo for an entire month for 5% of the population
There is no way to get a reliable accurate measure of such a thing.
SJG
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That's today's America - one person claims to be disenfranchised and we how to tear down the country - of course in the end the goal is to tear down the country and remake-it into a globalist-leftist-utopia where The World Economic Forum runs the world; the LGBTQ thing is just a means-to-an-end.
I read a great article lately on how fealty to liberal social causes isn't about the cause, it's about showing they have "upper class" mores. That is, it's a new sign of snobbery.
If corporations really gave a fuck about LGBTQ people, they wouldn't erase all mention of gay people in China and the Middle East. How about those rainbow logos for BMW Middle East?
It's marketing by another means.
People who have been marginalized need to speak up for themselves!
Multicultural society, not a monoculture.
SJG
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In the funky artsy neighborhoods of big cities I would say that the gay population is about 50%.
In the nation as a whole it is very hard to say, as most gay people have not even come out to themselves. They don't even know it.
I think sexologists have consistently estimated about 10% of the total population. But when you add in bi people, it will be a lot higher.
SJG
Op are you volunteering to count by seeing how many dicks you can suck 😭😭😭😭😂😂😂
10% is not an insignificant portion of the population. Seems high to me, unless it includes the full LGBTQ+ spectrum.
As a counterpoint, Black people are 12.5% of the US racial population. I'd argue that they get many many times more equality outrage.
2Icee, the little faggot claims to love gay people and be a liberal and yet; when the fucking moron wants to insult someone, he calls him a dick sucker. Progressives manage to be stupid and hypocritical. I just took a dump that will end up being a finer human being than Icee.
10% is what sexologists have put it at for over 100 years. And that goes back to when they used to see gay people as a 3rd sex, so it was something extreme.
See, most families have gay people, they are not just out. Many are not even out to themselves.
And then with Kinsey he did introduce this spectrum, and that did broaden it.
So I would say that if you do include Bi people, it would be about 20%. Though in artsy areas of big cities, more like about 50%.
But you could never find this by doing surveys.
Gays are hidden, and often hidden from themselves. Afro-Americans are out in the open.
talking about it being about 20% nbcnews.com
I have noticed that with these younger people the % is much higher, especially in a progressive minded area.
SJG
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I trust Gallup on this kind of thing, they're pretty nonpartisan, and they say 7.1%.
There are some definitional issues here.
Is a guy LGBTQ who got drunk once in college and let his gay roommate suck his dick once? Or a girl who fooled around with another girl a couple times? Or a girl who occasionally likes to kiss other girl but finds the idea of eating another girl's pussy gross?
I'm not sure I buy the huge spike in trans identification among children who seem to be encouraged to identify as such if they have a single gender dysphoric thought. Teenagers in particular are uncomfortable with their bodies. "Gender identity disorder" was like 1:10,000 not long ago. Adults, post puberty, are a different story, but jumping a hundred-fold, not sure.
But Gallup is a reliable organization.
But just doing a survey will not get anything close to the truth
SJG
^ It will go a light year closer to it than your speculations and estimations.
Produce superior data, please.
The % of gay people has always been estimated at 10%, and that was from when they say it as a third sex.
Today with Kinsey there is a continuum and we do have the Bi identity. So I think it has to be larger. The article I posted said 20%, and that is also about what I would speculate.
I would trust this: iasscs.org
Here, Kinsey Institute kinseyinstitute.org
williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu
An estimated 3.5% of adults in the United States identify as lesbian, gay, or bisexual and an estimated 0.3% of adults are transgender.
I would still say that most LBGTQ people are not out to family, to friends, or even to themselves. It is only in some coastal cities that they feel that it is okay to be. And even for those who are, they will not disclose it on a survey.
Very hard to get data on this unless you can learn to calibate the suvery.
I still go by the 100 years of sexology which says 10%, and the a recent increase of people accepting a Bi identity and the Kinsey scale, and I still think it is about 20%. BUt lets look to see what other data we can find.
"identify as LGBTQ" is just a small sliver.
More Americans identify as LGBT than ever before: Poll More than half of LGBT adults (54.6%) identify as bisexual, it found. abcnews.go.com
"According to a Gallup poll released Wednesday, 5.6% of United States adults identify as LGBT. That's up from 4.5%, based on the company's 2017 data. In 2012, when Gallup began tracking the measure, that number was 3.5%.
For the first time, Gallup also asked respondents to indicate their precise sexual orientation, as opposed to responding "yes" or "no" to whether they identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. "
I still think the real number nationwide is more like 20%, or at least for people under age 40. And for the women in the S.F. strip clubs it is like 30% to 50%.
SJG
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Kinsey, or maybe it was Masters, came up some astronomical figure that 70% have “homosexual” thoughts or tendencies.
Women (especially dancers) - perhaps yes Men - no, at least I don’t so
You always hear about college women “experimenting”
Almost nobody is gay, except for a few on this site... Iceefag, San Jose Gay, Big Third Gaping Ass, etc.
@SJG, most of your surveys are more in line with my data than yours. Your 20 percent claim is speculation.
The numbers aren't growing. More people just feel comfortable coming out and being counted. The actual number is if course more.
Some here want to pretend the number is smaller just so they can disparage the gay rights movement
Gay rights movement lol. Whiny bitch special privileges movement is the true name for it. You're a transphobic fuckwad Icee.
I stand by my numbers - and this from a left leaning NBC News article
“Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people make up an estimated 4.5 percent of the U.S. population, and, according to Nielsen's inaugural report, they were 6.7 percent of the top 10 recurring cast members in the top 300 programs on broadcast, cable and streaming platforms in 2019. The report also found that 26 percent of the top 300 programs included at least one cast member who identifies as LGBTQ.”
Historically being gay was not only considered a social abnormality, it was illegal and subject to severe punishment. Over decades it's gradually gone from illegal, to legal but heavily stigmatized, to accepted in certain social circles, to more broadly accepted, to forced acceptance by everyone including those who despise the concept, to being outright celebrated as a lifestyle choice and thereby encouraged.
I believe (as Iceefag mentions above) there may be some who would have been gay regardless, and now are more comfortable "coming out" which adds something to the statistics. But I'll bet there's a whole lot more who would have grown up normal and never gave it another thought, if not for the constant messaging about how wonderful it is to be gay and to walk around acting like a fucking fagot.
Kids growing up today are presented with "gay" as a perfectly normal way to be, even desirable to a certain extent. Every single kid, doesn't matter if you're a tough guy, a wimp, a jock, a nerd, a genius, or an underachiever, every kid goes through socially awkward phases of young adulthood when they might question their place in society, or their acceptance among peers. These are the challenges that motivate children to define who they want to be, and shape them into the adults they will become. They are also the times when young people are most vulnerable and open to suggestion, modeling their behavior after those they see around them, and based on their perception of social status, which is one of very few things that seem important to a child.
Now we have this widely available and celebrated community of queer, trans, gay, questioning, fluid back-and-forth fruitcakes who are welcoming any sort of societal outcast with open arms, and offering absolute inclusion and acceptance. So at the first feeling of social awkwardness, which again, everyone experiences at some point, the kid can't help but look to this group of misfits as quite an easy solution to their hurt feelings and/or damaged ego. Before they had to confront their feelings, make decisions, and take action. Now they just have to throw themselves into a world where anything goes, and everyone else has no choice but to accept it and celebrate their "bravery" and their fucking "pride" for walking around acting like a goddamn homo.
Gays are like AOC - they get 50 times more press coverage than they deserve.
I don't have any problem with people being whom ever or what ever they want to be, by the same token I don't think we need to make special laws to accomodate them, every one deserves to be treated equally, and proposing laws to specifically protect any one group is not my idea of equal treatment. Just to be completely clear, you should not be able to mistreat anyone due their orientation, but that comes down to equal treatment for all, I don't think a special law or class of persons is needed to compel equal treatment.
^Well said.
I agree 25. People should be who they want to be, and do whatever floats their boat, but keep it in the bedroom for fuck's sake. It's nobody else's business. Although, I must admit, I'm a little curious how they decide which one's gonna fuck the other one up the ass. I mean, do they take turns, or what?
^ You should ask shrubby he seems to be an expert on all things anal
I have to admit. If I were female, I would be a lesbian. You fuckers are just too damn ugly !
Maybe the over estimates stem from so many guys liking anal with women. That's a gay sign in my book.
^ Both women and men have hands and mouths too, just like they both have buttholes. Is liking blowjobs gay?
I admit. part of the problem is people like me. I am a lesbian trapped in a man’s body. How does that count?
I think a lot of it just depends on how you define LGBTQ.
I identify as LGBTQ.
Sometimes engage in same gender sex acts.
Sometimes think about same gender sex acts.
Might consider same gender sex acts.
And then how your do the surveying.
Kinsey did it via 1:1 interviews with people. imdb.com
SJG
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Surveys can be difficult to impossible in a number of ways. For one thing, you are usually only getting response from the people who want to give it. Kinsey was probably talking to people who wanted to brag. And maybe some of the people were so far out there, that they just wanted someone who would listen.
Other times, people just don't want to tell the truth, or they are not even aware of the truth themselves.
And so you ask, How Many Gay People? Well why are you asking and how do you define it?
I have spoken before of the super cute black girl in high heels that I was going to ask to lunch. I thought she was an office worker on her lunch break. BUt she ducked into New Century.
So when she did her set she peeled down to nothing but those high heels and she finished calling another girl up on stage and doing some open tongue kissing.
Well in San Francisco, the ways the Victorian Era laws are written there is nothing two women cannot do. It is only if there is a man involved that it becomes crime. So girl on girl action is a long standing tradition at MBOT and New Century.
But you get the impression that they are just doing it for a male audience. It is a show of power, that the women control the erotic.
And in porno movies they usually have that, girl on girl action. Actually I would usually FF past it.
But face to face when you potentially have access to one or both girls, it is an extreme turn on. And I've explained about what happened because next she was on my lap.
Okay, but male homosexuality, legal or not, that would be totally unacceptable.
And then the same goes for swingers clubs.
Ladies are always putting on shows like that. And it gets the guys heated up, and the ladies love this.
But male homosexuality would be completely unwelcome.
And I hear you motorhead about this. For me this is never going to change. Gay men are people who deserve their civil rights. BUt I am never going to partake and I don't really relate to them at all.
I do think though that for lots of younger people this has changed and they don't see any big deal in it, so most are potentially bi-sexual.
AIK, in Ancient Greece a young man would start of with homosexuality, getting his pleasure that way. Sex with women was something for later, when he was ready for his social position and ready to procreate.
I do not relate to that or to the sexuality and thinking of gay men. And I do not relate to lifestyle lesbians who present themselves as something other than heterosexual feminie.
But I believe that for a huge swath of the people under 40 yo today it is very different.
SJG
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Weirdos on a strip club forum arguing about how many men are gay 🤡
I think it's a pretty interesting thread given SJG just confessed to "I identify as LGBTQ." and "Sometimes engage in same gender sex acts."
datinman, learn to read! And the extra "I" is supposed to be on Identify. It is a typo.
And Icee, these are not weirdos arguing. It is a legitimate issue motorhead raised because recent poles say one thing, but many people feel it is a much higher number.
The porno movie, strip club, and swinger's club culture that I know of encourages a degree of female homosexuality, but does not tolerate male homosexuality. To me this is how it has to be. And it is not just over AIDS. It is just how it has to be.
But I suspect that for a lot of younger people this is not so anymore.
I mean they talk about how long ago there were always these drag queen hookers in every major city who would service conservative male family men from the suburbs. So it is those drag queens, but then also it is the much larger number that is their occasional clients.
People believe that it was Dwight D. Eisenhower who was sometimes one of those clients.
But would such people count themselves as LGBTQ? I would think not.
And Mexican bars here have Drag Queen shows, and it is the same sort of thing.
SJG
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@SJG, it's like Andrew Dice Clay once said. For men, there is no bisexual, you either suck dick or you don't suck dick.
This thread is cracking me up. All the thoughtful talk of tolerance, political and legal philosophy, social values, historical trends, etc. interspersed with “you’re a faggot!” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
^ look how many actresses go along with this.
In SF strip clubs it is the same for the dancers. And lots of women customers in strip clubs now, and the dancers seem to accept this.
Now for me it would never be like this with male homosexuality, but I suspect that for a lot of younger people it would be very different.
SJG
"@SJG, it's like Andrew Dice Clay once said. For men, there is no bisexual, you either suck dick or you don't suck dick."
Yes, for me it is like that. But feel that for a lot of younger men it is not so, they don't care about strict orientation and gender boundaries.
SJG
^ That's exactly who I'm talking about, the majority of straight males. They don't distinguish.
"UPenn Taps Transgender Swimmer Lia Thomas For NCAA Woman Of The Year Award"
Well Tetra, I get the impression that a lot of younger men today are not strictly attached to gender boundaries.
This guy, an obvious hipster, wrote a review of SF New Century for Yelp. He brought his girlfriend in. Soon as they were in, dancer grabs the girl by the hand and runs off with her.
This guy really had to hunt for them, finally finding them DFKing on a couch in a small alcove.
Interceding in this almost got him 86ed.
Okay, well for women that is what the Sexual Revolution has done. At Sunnyvale Brass Rail, there were several times per day when they had lots of girls on stage. Even though it was not supposed to be topless, there was still always lots of nipple licking and kissing. This is how women have become.
But for men like me, men may age, same gender sexual contact is still off limits, and it always will stay that way.
But I suspect that for a lot of younger men, they are starting to become as loose as the women are.
SJG
Yeah we saw that too, the creep isn't just loud, he's also proud!
'And Mexican bars here have Drag Queen shows,'
Yeah we already knew about your hat dancing boy fetish and I recall you talking about your deep appreciation of drag queens when you posted as sjgay so even though you've previously outed yourself it was never 100% official.
** during library hours *
THeeOSU, needs to learn to read as well.
BUt asshole sewn shut, AM hours for ingesting, PM hour for regurgitating.
SJG
A friend of mine said he thinks 20 percent of women are at least a little bisexual. Even before widespread acceptance of gays, I knew a lot of women that were comfortable hugging, sleeping in the same bed with, even kissing other women. Stuff that I've never seen guys comfortable with even now.
^ I can read just fine creep, you officially came out of the closet on TUSCL on July 15, 2022! ** during library hours **
The sjcreep is #LOUD AND PROUD!!!
But you will have to direct your buggery desires towards your goats as none of us are interested, Lol
TheeOSU has lost half or his night saint menu, so of course he is pissed.
Tetra, understood. The sexual revolution did that for women. And okay, 20%.
BUt for men, no, at least not then. But I believe that for younger men it has already started to change.
Now for me. I like strip clubs and prostitutes because men are men and women are women.
SJG
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Officially came out of the closet on TUSCL on July 15, 2022! ** during library hours **
The sjcreep is #LOUD AND PROUD!!!
Typing fast, things get bumbled. I'd tell you to put a cork into your asshole, but it already sewn shut and starting to heal over.
SJG
Did you mean buggered? Lol
I'd assume it'd be hard to know how many people are gay - and I mean 100% gay - not some chick that once wondered what is was like to be w/ another girl and she then gets counted as gay - I also assume that there are many young chicks that are pretty-much-straight but may claim to be bisexual b/c that is now a cool/in-thing to be these days.
I doubt the # of gay people has increased over-the-years or increased much - just that it's currently more "mainstream" if not "celebrated" as has been posted above; and I wouldn't doubt a certain # of people may claim to be something other than heterosexual b/c it's the woke in-thing.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain why it's okay (or even celebrated) to be genetically wired for same sex attraction, but not okay to be genetically programmed for animals, corpses, or minors. None of it's okay.
Most people who claim to be non-heterosexual are just seeking attention. It should be classed in the psych textbooks along with cutting, nicotine, and other self-injuring, attention-seeking behaviors. Anyone who encourages a child to LBGTQ?+@$%^] should be as ostracized as someone feeding a child drugs. Most "homosexual" individuals can be cured with therapy and counseling. Those who do not respond to non medicinal therapies should also receive prescription medication.
What the liberals and self-prclaimed elites are doing was actually started by the Soviets decades ago. The KGB seeded and directed Marxist groups to drive these divisive and corrosive issues. The USSR has collapsed, but the old cold warriors and KGB veterans are still around. The latest generations of their seeded groups persists, having become independent of their Communist handlers and overseers. Their efforts to divide our nation, distract us from their other global activities, and corrode our moral core is plainly successful.
The LGBTQ community happens to affiliate with the left / liberals but their cause is not a major reason why people are Democrats. I think generally Democrats care most about economic policies and the important role of government. The LGBTQ are just very activist and get a disproportionate amount of attention.
How is counting gays working out? Find many?
^
Well besides you iceydougee, the creep came out of the closet yesterday so that makes at least 2 of you homos here now but no problemo we still homiez, faggot! Lulz
Gays have had to fight for their rights. But no, most of the Democratic Party is not made up of LGBTQs.
SJG
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I'm sure you'll try to change that now that you've come out and admitted your gayness.
Do you support training gays in commmando tactics?
^^ The best policy was Bill Clinton's "don't ask don't tell" because it's nobody's business who or how you fuck. If you're gay, most people don't give a shit as long as you're not flaunting it like, "Look at me, look at what a fagot I am."
I spent 8 years as a National Guard Infantry officer during the Bush 41 and Clinton administrations. There was a Sergeant I worked with regularly and one time somebody told me (in strict confidence) that he was gay and lived with another man who was his, you know, lover or whatever. I absolutely didn't believe it. He was tough as nails, used the most vulgar language I ever heard, and was a real cigar aficionado. In fact he had a connection for Cuban cigars and a lot of the guys including me used to buy them from him.
Well, after a few years, we became close friends and eventually he told me about it. In fact, it turns out his illegal cigar connection was his significant other. Of course I was sworn to secrecy. Only a few people knew about it. I didn't think any differently about him. I didn't feel uncomfortable around him either. I felt like our friendship must be strong for him to trust me with that information. And if, God forbid, we had ever gone to combat (which we didn't) I would have rather had him in my foxhole than a lot of other straight guys who were less competent soldiers.
Anyway, I'm fine with gays in the military as long as their gayness doesn't define what kind of soldier they are. That means keeping your sexual preferences discrete and not "acting gay" all the time.
Do you also believe one should be discrete about their heterosexuality and not let it define them?
^^ No asshole. Heterosexual is normal, biologically correct behavior. It's you and your leftie freaks, Icee, who always say "follow the science" ... so do it. If you're heterosexual and have some bizarre kinky shit you're into, then keep that to yourself. And no, I don't mean among your closest friends. I mean in public.
I can see this would be the wrong thread to use to cum out of the closet should one wish to do so
Iceefag, how would you like if there was a "heterosexual pride" flag, a month dedicated to the celebration of NOT being gay, and a fucking parade? We live in a world where odd behavior is celebrated and normal behavior is frowned upon.
^ Aye that’s reasonable, I would like to add to your response about heterosexual behavior, it’s fine to be affectionate towards people you care for, but when it becomes get a room in your face it becomes offensive no matter what your sexual desires are.
^ agree
I recently moved from a blue state to a red area and whenever I hear things like "odd behavior" I'm just baffled. I guess I just don't see it as odd behavior.
And I agree with 25
Gays do need to be out in your face because for so long they have been closeted and shamed, so it has become a social and civil standing issue.
SJG
In your case you like your face in some guy's ass but speaking of we're glad that you've decided to come out of the closet.
No shame... tuscl.net Ok maybe some shame, Lol
Americans on the whole are really bad at statistics.
That said, estimating the percentage of the country that is LGBTQ is tricky thanks to the large chunk of people who are Bi but living in a heterosexual monogamous relationship. Even the LGBTQ community doesn't always accept those folks as bi. And then there are the wonderful women who will eat pussy in a threesome but still call themselves straight.
Mrorange. Basically you're offended by guys coz you're a homophobe. Are you ashamed of your urges?
^ meanwhile you son are the person that uses fag as an insult regularly
Fag is the geriatric trick cliques favorite word
Iceefag Really I never noticed that I use it only to get a rise out of you, I figured that since you luxe it so often as an insult I’d try it and it worked great, I mean Icee just doesn’t capture the essence of what a shit for brains you are.
How do you spell annoying little bitch? 2Icee. The 2 signals his value as a human being on a scale of 1-1000.
Dis is da faggot tred
Post dis in da faggot section...
Oh shit! We don't got a faggot section
Founder!!!!
Trans people are even scarcer, but you wouldn't know it if you watch Netflix shows. Everyone's little brother is a girl.