Gas Prices: Do Blue States put Residents in the Red

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Nationally, the average cost for a gallon of gas was $4.52 on Tuesday. In addition to California, Washington state, Oregon, Nevada, Alaska and Hawaii all had prices averaging more than $5 on Tuesday.

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mark94
3 years ago
Two ways California raises gas price. State tax and funky blend requirement.
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skibum609
3 years ago
More than that in Massachusetts. I paid over $5 yesterday. Today I spit on the door handle of every car in the parking garage with democrat bumper stickers.
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48-Cowboy
3 years ago
^ you sound like a mature grown up. That is not nice to treat your fellow political party like that
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skibum609
3 years ago
^you sound like the typical in-bred hick your s/n would suggest.
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gammanu95
3 years ago
Skibum is starting to resemble desertscrub.
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skibum609
3 years ago
^ TY.
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48-Cowboy
3 years ago
^ the weakling can't argue and he has to resort to name calling, just like a good little democrat
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mark94
3 years ago
Here’s another government caused economic disaster looming. The Federal Reserve owns $2.7 Trillion of mortgages. It bought a lot of these in the last couple years to stimulate the economy by keeping mortgage rates artificially low. That’s the primary reason that home prices got so high in the last couple years.

Now, they need to get all this debt off their books. But, if they sell these mortgages, rates will skyrocket and real estate prices will crash.
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mark94
3 years ago
Target and Walmart stocks drop on disappointing revenue numbers. That’s a clear sign that consumers are cutting back. Recession is here.
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skibum609
3 years ago
Cowboy is a perfect example of today's "Man" wah, wah, wah; what a little bitch. Don't breed boy we gots enough faggots already.
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Goodclubrep
3 years ago
Serious question: How does one retire early next year during a recession?
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skibum609
3 years ago
^ - easy, unless you have enough cash on hand to live out the rest of your life, the way you wish, without ever banking another dollar or earning anything on an investment: Keep your job. Its why I work at 65.
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48-Cowboy
3 years ago
^ look at this weakling, he claims he has plenty of money and yet he keeps working because he is scared. Are you scared of your socialist insecurity not being there when you need it?

He so claims he is not into extras and doesn't care if he gets them. Then he talks about how easy it was to get laid in the 1970s. I bet he can't find dancers he can afford to pay enough to fuck him. That's right. Some dancers are smart and charge ass hole tax
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mark94
3 years ago
If you have a house and car paid for, no consumer debt, and a way to get medical insurance, it’s possible to retire on relatively little money. After taking car of these essentials, most of what is left is discretionary spending.
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twentyfive
3 years ago
^ what’s the fun in living frugally when you retire might as well not retire
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rickdugan
3 years ago
===> "If you have a house and car paid for, no consumer debt, and a way to get medical insurance, it’s possible to retire on relatively little money. "

I guess that depends on what you consider "relatively little money." You still have property taxes, medical copays/deductibles, auto expenses (insurance, repairs, gas), food expenses, utilities, phone bills, etc.

The one silver lining in all of this inflation is that it may start pushing people back into the labor force, which we need for the long-term health of the economy.
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shailynn
3 years ago
I spent an entire weekend working on my car. Fixing pointless stuff (one rear door lock won’t go up when you use the keyless entry) (wires fried in a side view mirror causing the heating function not to work) and needed stuff (new brakes and rotors and struts). Some parts were expensive (not surprised) but several were rather hard to find. Instead of just ordering a new wiring harness for the mirror I had to get an entire used mirror and I’m praying the wiring in the old mirror worked. You know why… people of fixing their old stuff instead of just buying new stuff.

Luckily I love working and cleaning cars - it’s therapeutic to me. If anything the past two years have taught me (stuck at home during COVID, how fragile life is, and inflation, and seeing people spend like crazy at the beginning and now whine the loudest about inflation) it’s - appreciate what you already have…

Its weird - I travel a fraction of what I used to (just talking about personal/pleasure travel) and I really don’t miss it at all.

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skibum609
3 years ago
Wow Cowgirl you sure are one illiterate fuck. Why are you such a jealous bitch? The fact you think I am a socialist simply means that every male you're related too should be neutered and every female spayed.
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sideshow_bob
3 years ago
I spent 10 years getting a PhD in energy and transportation at a top school.
The outcome of my research project was the prediction that aggressive environmental
measures would cause economic catastrophe.

There are good reasons to pursue environmental policies. Clean air and water are really
important, but the notion that we're going to live this ultra-green lifestyle of solar
and wind power and battery electric vehicles has serious implications. They're going
to kill a lot of people, like billions, if they really push this thing.

As for the need to do it to prevent "climate change catastrophe", notice how they've been
telling us the "bad stuff" was going to happen soon enough, and that they keep pushing
back the date that it's supposed to get "really bad". Kind of like how cvid was going to start
getting really bad in "two weeks"?

Anyway, after the PhD I couldn't get a job in government or academia because I was not
a radical green. I had the idealistic notion that these were places that valued vigorous
debate in order to come up with the best policies.

My opinion of climate change is that it is "real", as in the climate does change and human behavior
probably impacts it to some degree, but that it's not a problem that humans are capable of solving
directly. The best thing to do is to learn to live with it and adapt with it. That's what humanity
has been doing all along anyway.

The economic devastation now is just the start. The green revolution will put the Nazis to shame.
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mark94
3 years ago
Like many things, cleaning up 90% of the environment is doable for a developed country. Cleaning up the last 1% is infinitely costly. I think we’re at about 95% clean in the US. Good enough for me.
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mark94
3 years ago
“I guess that depends on what you consider "relatively little money."

$25,000

Enough to pay RE taxes ( at least in AZ), food, utilities, medical copays, car insurance, gas ( if you don’t drive much ).

Now, if you want to golf, ski, vacation, cruise, enjoy fine dining, theater, etc you’ll need 3 or 4 times that.
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CandymanOfProvidence
3 years ago
^ so much much extra to go to a decent strip club every week?
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sideshow_bob
3 years ago
The EU just announced a ban on new internal combustion engine vehicles in 2035, and California did the same.
Others will follow because they're on the same World Economic Forum script.

The world will not be ready for this. It will be a disaster if it goes through, at least for regular people.

For the global elite it will be a big opportunity to reset the world into a more comfortable configuration for themselves. If you were Gill Bates would you really want to share the Earth with billions of filthy useless eaters? A cleaner, less chaotic world would be really nice if you knew you weren't going to be in the group getting written off.
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
CA has an environmental rule which makes it cost more to make the gas.

SJG

Strange Kind of Women - Perfect Strangers - live at La Grande Ourse Concert Hall
(this is so extremely good and so close to the original artist's recording)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLYvbRi…

Shirley Manson & Christine Hynde (The Pretenders) - Only Happy When It Rains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfc3oOhx…

The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…
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shadowcat
3 years ago
I have to agree with sideshow_bob. First of all they are trying to eliminate fossil fuel usage before an infrastructure for a non fossil energy world is in place. I read that 61% of electricity is generated by fossil fuel. Where is this increase in electrical needs going to come from and when? Major cities can't even keep up with electrical demands now.

The earth has always been changing since it was born. Dolphins were once land animals. They changed to keep up with the changing environment. Humans need to do the same. We can help mother nature but at a pace that is manageable.
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skibum609
3 years ago
^ how dare you come here and make sense.
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MackTruck
3 years ago
Lmfao!
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
We need to be responsible and try to create sustainability.

SJG

Strange Kind of Women - Perfect Strangers - live at La Grande Ourse Concert Hall
(this is so extremely good and so close to the original artist's recording)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLYvbRi…
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mark94
3 years ago
There are reports that gas stations are modifying their pumps in anticipation of gas prices above $10.
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mark94
3 years ago
My concern is that, even if the Dems are swept out of Congress, there is little Congress will be able to do to improve things while Biden is in office. Two and a half more years of record inflation ? Scary.
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TheeOSU
3 years ago
Well the left has always wanted to lower our standards to make us dependent on them, as of this moment their plan is working. Thankfully we still have time to reverse it.
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
There isn't that much congress or the President can do to change gas prices.

SJG

Strange Kind of Women - Perfect Strangers - live at La Grande Ourse Concert Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLYvbRi…
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mark94
3 years ago
Found on Facebook

If the left wrote The Emperor's New Clothes, the kid who correctly pointed out that the Emperor was naked would be the bad guy.

If they wrote The Grasshopper and the Ants, the ants would be the bad guys.

If they wrote The Three Little Pigs, the pig who worked hard and
built the sturdy brick house would be the bad guy.

If they wrote The Little Red Hen, the hen would be the villian.
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
And the Right wants to promote the pseudo science of social darwinism, which is what the Nazi's used too.

SJG


The Kinks - Till the End of the Day (1965)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQw7wLvJ…

two-passenger convertible sports car introduced at the London Motor Show in 1962
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Sp…

https://www.classicandsportscar.com/feat…
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48-Cowboy
3 years ago
Soooooo skibum... We're you spayed or neutered yourself. I know you never had any kids. Hmmm... Who is it that decided you should never reproduce?
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mark94
3 years ago
In their earnings report, Target and Walmart talked about a massive increase in their inventory of electronic goods, exercise equipment, etc. The only thing selling well is food and other daily essentials.

What does this mean ? The consumer has decided to stop spending money on discretionary goods and services. That’s going to lead to large layoffs in many industries. For those who still have jobs, they’ll find bargains.

Things are about to get much worse. Across the earth.

When will it end ? Ask Joe Biden how much longer he’s going to ban oil drilling, writing new regulations, and bringing in millions of immigrants to take American jobs.
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rickdugan
3 years ago
===> "The only thing selling well is food and other daily essentials. What does this mean ? The consumer has decided to stop spending money on discretionary goods and services. That’s going to lead to large layoffs in many industries. For those who still have jobs, they’ll find bargains."

Yup. Our politicians and the Fed, so eager to spend gobs of money and artificially fuel growth, completely ignored the inflationary lessons of the 70s. Those lessons of course include: (1) If you pour gobs of money supply into the economy, inflation will surge; and (2) extended high inflation can trigger a recession almost as readily as steep interest rate hikes.

I suppose this makes sense. For anyone under 40, inflation is not the boogeyman that it is for those of us old enough to remember, so of course they were more supportive of the endless government goodies (stimulus payments, tax credit checks, enhanced unemployment, higher Obamacare subsidies, etc.). After all, today is so super different from the 70s that we don't need to worry about a bloated money supply anymore, right?

History is indeed doomed to repeat itself.
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mark94
3 years ago
Do you know how bad this could get ? Look at Sri Lanka right now. An entire country is out of food and gas. Riots are burning the country down. Armageddon.

Things may get very, very bad even in the US.
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twentyfive
3 years ago
So when I spoke about fiscal responsibility during the previous administration I was called a socialist now y’all are getting some of the chickens coming home to roost, but you’ll just make it about anything but what the actual problem is, both parties give our money away like it’s their own, it isn’t it’s ours we need to stop giving it away and make sure we get value for anything we spend.
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skibum609
3 years ago
Lmao Cowboy you're an even bigger pussy when trying to insult your betters. Inflation is going to put you out of work boy, except for your side job of sucking off gay boomer cock.
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sideshow_bob
3 years ago
California closing in on $7 right now.

I just paid 6.60 for super.

The thing is with a lot of enviro regulations is that the rules are made to benefit particular businesses. They then dress it in some sort of environmental benefit context.

They're trying to put up a new office park development in my town, with tons of empty office space. It's a ballot initiative. All their signs say it's to help prevent climate change. The reality is if the developer succeeds in rezoning his land from agriculture to commercial it's an easy 100x, so he'll put in some solar panels and a bike path. Sure, np.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Thinking we'll resort to anarchy before price controls are enacted is pure idiocy
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sideshow_bob
3 years ago
Price controls result in scarcity. No one will sell a product for less than it costs.
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
Market competition keeps prices down. But sometimes there are reasons why the competition is not there.

Nixon had Phase 1 and Phase 2 of price controls. Interesting. I don't think it did anything for containing inflation though.

SJG
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Price controls allow people to survive. If you value private sector greed over sustainable development that's on you
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Tetradon
3 years ago
^ Yes, survive until you run out of the commodity because no one wants to sell it, pimpy.
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
Price controls cause serious problems. If the gov't has to take over, there are probably better ways than price controls.

SJG
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TheeOSU
3 years ago
^


So how much gas does your huffy bike use?
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sideshow_bob
3 years ago
It's really not easy for oil companies to gouge on gasoline prices opportunistically.

One pumped from the ground there isn't much room to store oil. There's some, but it's not cheap to sit on it. Oil must be refined into gasoline. There isn't much room to store gasoline, not cheap. It needs to go out the gas stations, and then it needs to get sold, because the supply line from the oil field to the gas pump doesn't have a lot of spare capacity to hold on to things.

The logistics of gasoline production are complex to the point that it's really better for the producers to keep the supply line working efficiently than to try and game the market for a few extra points.

Summer gasoline gets more expensive because of the formulation change as well as increased demand. There aren't a lot of extra tankers and extra storage facilities to lower the summer supply shock so the price goes up, decreasing demand a little.

Yes, the oil companies have us by the balls, but they're more like drug dealers than muggers. They want their clients alive and buying more oil in the future, because that's better for them too. It isn't good business for them to extort their customers opportunistically. Not that it never happens, but it isn't simple for them to do because they've got to manage the supply chain up to the gas pump for months in advance to really make it work.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Wow idiots white knighting oil companies 🤡👍
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
If businesses refuse to comply with price controls they should be made legally accountable.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Most Americans would welcome price controls more than anything right now.
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mark94
3 years ago
Price controls are about as effective as it would be to try and legislate gravity. The law of supply and demand can’t be legislated away.

The current milk formula shortage is just one more example of government trying regulate the market and screwing things up.

The inflation disaster is entirely caused by government meddling in the economic cycle.

Government isn’t the solution, it’s the problem.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Without regulation babies would be dying like with cheap western made formulas in the third world
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mark94
3 years ago
A baby died of an infection. It had used several different types of formula over a period of months, including one from Abbot. Baby formula was just one possible way the infection might have been transmitted.

In reaction, the FDA shut down the largest manufacturer of formula for several months. During this time, various tests failed to link the infection to Abbot.

In the name of protecting children, every infant in America was put at risk.
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mark94
3 years ago
Here’s yet another threat coming this summer. Tens of millions of Americans could be thrown into a summer of hell as a megadrought, heatwaves, and reduced power generation could trigger widespread rolling electricity blackouts from the Great Lakes to the West Coast, according to Bloomberg, citing a new report from the North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC), a regulatory body that manages grid stability.

Fossil fuel plants have been shut down and replaced by hydro-electric, solar, and wind plants. These renewable sources are unable to provide the same volume and consistency of power generating. The drought has effected hydro. Supply chain has prevented new solar. There simply isn’t enough capacity while fossil fuel plants are abandoned.
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motorhead
3 years ago
Icee - price controls do not work.

Take a class in Ecnomics at your community college if you can find a professor on the west coast that is not a socialist
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mark94
3 years ago
Then, this fall, we’ll discover the impact of fertilizer shortage. Much of our fertilizer relies on natural gas for manufacturing. The shortage and inflation of natural gas has resulted in shortage and inflation of fertilizer. We won’t know what impact this will have on food levels until after the summer harvest.
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mark94
3 years ago
All of these failures can be described as unintended ( or, possibly intended ) consequences from the actions of “ experts” in our government bureaucracy.

Prevent energy production. Shut down power plants. Lock down the economy for 2 years. Fire anyone who doesn’t follow every vaccine and mask regulation. Over regulate business. Shut down schools. Delay projects for years for environmental studies. Pour trillions of dollars into the economy, rewarding people who don’t work.

Then, claim the consequences are “unexpected” and blame Putin.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
You're just white knighting corporations. When 6hey should be made accountable and exposed.

Most Americans would welcome price controls over corporate fan boy shit
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mark94
3 years ago
The same mentality that thinks price controls works is the mentality that thought locking down the economy and printing trillions in handouts was a brilliant move.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Pandemic mitigation efforts were necessary. All the corporate welfare. Handouts to landlords and businesses were a bad idea though
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mark94
3 years ago
Two weeks to flatten the curve became two years of don’t go to work, the government will pay for everything. Is that the pandemic mitigation you refer to ? It’s not CoVid that caused the problems we face, it’s government incompetence and over reach.
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mark94
3 years ago
Within weeks of CoVid reaching the US, it was obvious that healthy people under the age of 60 faced little risk. Even so, our experts forced the entire population into 2 years of isolation. Future historians will be amazed at that insanity.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
The mitigation efforts didn't go far enough. Businesses wanted their profits and the gov caved in to private sector pressures. Which is why the virus is on yhe rise again today. And it's criminal that measures aren't taken to investigate and punish businesses that pilfered and looted the ppp program
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mark94
3 years ago
File under “ We’re from the government. We’re here to help”

The Biden administration canceled one of the most high-profile oil and gas lease sales pending before the Department of the Interior Wednesday, as Americans face record-high prices at the pump, according to AAA.

The DOI halted the potential to drill for oil in over 1 million acres in Alaska’s Cook Inlet, along with two lease sales in the Gulf of Mexico.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Protecting the environment is necessary and those were good moves. Gas has gone up significantly irrelevant of the amount of natural preserves destroyed by oil companies. At this point you're just being a corporate cheerleader pretending like corporations are benevolent and would be moreso without regulations.

How is yhe Arizona election recount going?
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Most Americans prefer not living paycheck to paycheck so corporations can maintain high enough profits. As brainwashed and enslaved as we are. We still have some pride and self interest left. Hopefully people wake up
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mark94
3 years ago
There is no magic money tree that allows governments to hand out freebies. These must be paid for, either through taxation or by printing money and devaluing the dollar.

The only way society can survive is if most people work and pay their own way. There is a large segment of the population, like ICEE, who believe they are victims who deserve to sit at home while others work hard.

That’s how civilizations fail.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Exactly. The ppp program that businesses pilfered. The corporate welfare and subsidies for private industries. Contracting private corporations to manage gov programs. Funding the proxy was in Ukraine. It all got us where we're at with inflation.
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gammanu95
3 years ago
Biden shuts the keystone pipeline, closes ANWAR drilling (as a conservationist I agree with that one) and starts revoking previously granted leases, then claims gas prices aren't his fault.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Biden is the most inept president ever and the most dishonest. Manchin is his proxy. Same donors same loyalties same beliefs
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
The only promise biden kept is when he told his corporate donors that things will.stay the same. Fuck his proxy war fuck him being a corporate stooge
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mark94
3 years ago
Latest poll

Biden’s overall approval has dropped to 35% with 57% disapproval.

Among young voters aged 18-to-34 the disapproval is 61% (approval 27%).

Among Hispanics Biden disapproval is 60% (approval 26%).

Among Independent voters disapproval is 62% (approval 30%)
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TheeOSU
3 years ago
Regarding brandon, I sure hope those poll stats carry over to everyone on his side of the aisle in the midterms.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Disapproval of Biden doesn't mean approval of Republicans though. They're worse
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
Biden was wrong and irresponsible in promoting COVID hysteria. But with everything else I think Biden is doing very well, and with some very difficult situations.

Of the stuff he hasn't been able to do, well he is the President of a Constitutional Democracy, not a Dictator. The congressional Republicans are idiots. They have stalled Biden, just as they did Obama, and as they really fucked up Bill Clinton.

SJG
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Him ignoring the pandemic and caving jn to private sector pressure is what led to all these problems
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sideshow_bob
3 years ago
Now they're going to try and extend the Covid scams with the Monkey Pox.

"There's a horrible thing out there, just give up your rights and money so we can protect you from it."

Notice a pattern?
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WiseToo
3 years ago
Gas prices may have put blue residents in the red, but that was quickly reversed when the new White House press secretary announced that she is a black, lesbian woman and immigrant. Blue residents breathed a sigh of relief, thank you Joe!
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TheeOSU
3 years ago
^

Lol
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mark94
3 years ago
Speaking of Blue States, at this week’s conference in Davos Switzerland, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla explains Pfizer's new tech to Davos crowd: "ingestible pills" - a pill with a tiny chip that send a wireless signal to relevant authorities when the pharmaceutical has been digested. "Imagine the compliance," he says

Fuck these people. These are the elite brains we are supposed to admire and follow ?!
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mark94
3 years ago
And, speaking of left wing morons who think they are smarter than us:

Super-woke Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez boasts that her new engagement ring is made from “recycled gold” and is “zero emission.”
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DenimChicken
3 years ago
the Pfizer ingestible pill that sends a wireless signal about compliance was discussed in 2018. There is a clip going around twitter and in the thread I saw it in, the full video on youtube was linked.

Maybe it was mentioned again this year but just a heads up this isn't new.
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mark94
3 years ago
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DenimChicken
3 years ago
your link is literally doing exactly what I said. It references this, quoting it and links the twitter clip and the same youtube video....from 2018. Nothing shows it being discussed further in 2022?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uio8X1h0…

https://twitter.com/loffredojeremy/statu…

I'm not saying this is fake or anything like that. I think it is valid to be concerned about this ongoing effort - but these pages are doing a piss poor job and laying out these facts. This is why people don't trust sources like this.
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