Biden calling Putin a murderous war criminal

I think Putin meant to say Biden is a "doofus or imbecile" but something got lost in translation.

Throughout the Cold War, the USSR played the whataboutism game to cover up its own abuses.* To which I say, one does not nullify one's the other. Did the Allies have to be angels in order to fight Germany, Italy, and Japan? No, only an idiot could think that. If we don't have moral clarity, we're done as anything in the world.

Whether or not it's pragmatic is a different discussion. Russia is well over the line in targeting civilians. Everyone other than the edgelords here (who I don't even believe are sincere) acknowledges that.

Putin's "de-Nazification" was a pretext and never a good one. A friend of mine with an advanced degree in this area (and a specialization in Russia) says Russia wants all of Ukraine. If he's dead set on that, this war is going to go on for decades or until nukes fly. If Putin wanted a guarantee that Ukraine won't join NATO, it didn't need to come to this. NATO (Article 5, I believe) wouldn't allow anyone with such disputed territory in. Ironically, this demonstrates why joining NATO would be beneficial. In the Budapest Declaration, Ukraine gave up nukes because we said this _wouldn't_ happen.

If anything, Biden might be looking _too_ reasonable so far. You don't start a negotiation taking your own options off the table. A little Trump bombast might go a long way. If they learn they can get what they want by threatening nuclear war, they won't stop.

Russia is not some great power to coddle. Their economy is the size of Texas'. As the world gets away from fossil fuels, or learns how to better pump them, they lose relevance. They need to start being responsible on the world stage, or stop being relevant on it.

* Particularly "but you lynch negroes!" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_ar…
Which is funny because Russia still harbors a ton of anti-black racism.

Or, as Sun Tzu put it, you always leave your opponent a golden bridge over which they can retreat. Once you label someone a war criminal, the only option is a fight to the death.

An American president calling anyone a war criminal is hypocritical. How many died under Bidens watch due to American imperialist ventures?

Biden wants Russians in the streets overthrowing the gov. Whats America's reaction to such protests and revolutionary acts?

It's not "whataboutism" it's pointing out hypocrisy and the idiocy of American exceptionalism.

^ Gotcha. So we should let Russia steamroll Ukraine. Lulz.

Starting ww3 to keep zelensky in power isn't worth it.

We just got out of a 20 year war in afghanistan that we started....and lost. We're arming the saudi war in Yemen. Arming ukraine. Still have a declared "war on terrorism "... and pressing domestic problems.

@icee, no one is talking about "starting WW3" here, launching nukes, putting in ground troops, I don't even see talk of a no fly zone on this thread. It's of questionable usefulness anyways.

But if America waits until we're pure, let alone have atoned for ever sin we've committed, we cease to have _any_ agency in the world. What would have happened if we let charges of hypocrisy keep us out of WW2, for example? Hitler was just getting warmed up. The Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere was just getting warmed up.

I don't want another quagmire any more than you do. But I don't think anyone does. What we can't do is sit on our ass and pretend to be neutral.

Had the US cared about Ukraine it would have pushed Zelensky into a peace deal before the invasion. Instead Biden chose to arm him to the teeth and give the false belief that the US would come to his rescue if worse came to worse. Now Biden is against negotiations and peace talks and Ukraine is being used as a.proxy by the US.

Biden and the pro establishment media are beating war drums to take attention away from all of our domestic failures and the breakdown of society.

@Tetradon: "moral clarity" ? Holy shit! Half the population of Afghanistan is supposedly starving because of the shit we pulled over there. How about the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused over false WMD accusations. The list goes on and on and on.

Any country has a right to call us out on our past transgressions when we start acting self righteous. As they should.

Oh yea, small GDP or not, Russia has the ability to destroy the world which does make them a super power. Anyone thinking otherwise is an idiot.

^ He's 13.6 points underwater. It's not working.

I doubt Biden made Putin refer to the fall of the USSR as the greatest tragedy. Or annex Crimea and parts of Georgia. Or level Grozny. When someone like that tells you what they want to do, believe them.

OK Lone Wolf, let's navel gaze while the world crumbles around us and we wait for the Davos crowd to give us sufficient moral authority.

Short of time travel, we can't erase Iraq or Afghanistan. What we can do is prevent a further humanitarian catastrophe by whatever means. Hope you're donating to some cause supporting refugees. Regardless of how or why the war started, the suffering is real

It's not our fight. Fear and war mongering are distractions from domestic problems the government refuses to tackle. The billions of dollars thrown at zelensky to arm his regime are an obscenity. It's billions of dollars the American public will never see but will pay the cost of.

Unless you believe in imperialism. We have no stake in foreign wars.

^ Don't worry, caca, you won't be drafted until you can grow pubes.

Funny thing is tetraplop opposes political violence in the US. He also opp antifa and blm. Meanwhile he supports violent revolts in other countries and supports wars.

Damn right I oppose Antifa and BLM.

If you can't distinguish between them and people fighting a hostile invader who once occupied them and has had designs on them ever since they were freed, you are too stupid to converse with.

Oh and if you can't distinguish a billion in foreign aid from a trillion dollar entitlement program, you're even stupider than that. I know you're not very bright, but that's approaching caca levels.

You support the violent overthrow of putin but not violence in the US. You support foreign aid to fund a war but not money to rebuild our infrastructure. You support Ukraine which has the skinhead azov batallion in its military. While opposing civil rights movements at home

I don't know why I'm wasting the finger movement spelling this out to you...

"You support the violent overthrow of putin but not violence in the US."
Putin is much much worse than Biden.

"You support foreign aid to fund a war but not money to rebuild our infrastructure."
Did you see what I just said about billions vs trillions? Or did you just flunk math?

"You support Ukraine which has the skinhead azov batallion in its military."
We don't have the luxury of moral purity. We've teamed with lesser evils for centuries now.

"While opposing civil rights movements at home"
Lol I support civil rights. BLM is organized grift. Antifa are anarchist LARPers.

I'm not advocating doing nothing. Arm them, feed them etc...sure.

We should also give them an on off ramp to deescalate. Destroying an economy and using irreversible rhetoric is a questionable strategy.

Any thought that this shit has anything to do with morals is ridiculous.

It's all about money and retaining power. Always had been and always will be.

^ I don't disagree, except that without the sanctions, we're not exerting much pressure.

If it's not about morals, we need to kick every argument about hypocrisy, America's flawed past, etc to the curb.

Tetraplop you can't understand the aspirations of conquered people's like Mexican americans...Chicago's. Enslaved people like African Americans or the victims of genocide like native Americans. But have crocodile tears for Ukraine. Why not hate Poland? It ruled more of it than Russia historically. But hating Russia is the trend now . Idiot

The war in ukraine is irrelevant to the average American. People are tired of distractions. The censorship behind the narrative for the war is proof America doesn't want war as a distraction from our own problems

Whatever, Dumbasscee. History is full of groups conquering one another. In fact that's the definition of history.

Mexican Americans? Do you shed tears for those the Aztecs conquered? Slew en masse to dedicate to their god? Could you even name all the people they slew? The border has been where it's been for almost two centuries. If you think everyone lived in harmony before whitey came along, you must have been educated in public schools.

I don't know who Chicago ever conquered but you often don't make sense.

The average American couldn't care less what putin does. It doesn't impact us. Bidens actions impact us.

Support the struggle at home. Antifa and blm are freedom fighters. More so than the azov batallion.

Tetraplop so by your logic stfu about Ukraine. History is full of conquerors and conquered.

History is full of groups conquering one another. In fact that's the definition of history.



Do stfu about Ukraine.

We don't have a chance to stop the Aztecs. We have a chance to stop modern civilization from blowing up. You think of Putin takes Ukraine, he's going to stop there? We could see a REAL war when he goes after actual NATO members. Germany is re-arming. This shit can spread.

"Antifa and blm are freedom fighters."
Fighting for freedom of dollars from leftist celebs wallets mostly.

Because shit from two centuries ago is more relevant than what's happening right now. Icee logic 101.

Chicanos like African Americans and native Americans are still suffering from acts of genocide and imperialism. Their causes are more pressing than foreign wars.

Fear mongering isn't based on facts. Believing a war should expand based on what if scenarios is inane.

You'd rather fan foreign wars than help the oppressed in the US. You call antifa and blm criminals while saying we should look past neonazi brigades jn the Ukrainian military.

"Chicanos like African Americans and native Americans are still suffering from acts of genocide and imperialism"
Yet they live better here than in Mexico or Africa. We're past Jim Crow and into the age of microaggressions.

"Believing a war should expand based on what if scenarios is inane."
What about based on the words out of Putin's and his advisors' mouths? What you call what if scenarios, thinkers call scenario planning.

"You call antifa and blm criminals while saying we should look past neonazi brigades jn the Ukrainian military"
Again comparing two different things. The Ukrainian army, whatever they believe, is resisting invaders.
Antifa and BLM are criminals. Want links to some of the indictments? The damage caused?

Tetraplop you're a bigot. Saying African Americans are better off coz their ancestors were enslaved. Saying Chicanos are better off coz their ancestors were conquered and expropriated and subjected to segregation.

Blm and antifa are criminals while neonazis in Ukraine are freedom fighters?

And what if scenarios justify ww3 but Americans should stfu a follow the status quo.

All your points are moot.

"Saying African Americans are better off coz their ancestors were enslaved. Saying Chicanos are better off coz their ancestors were conquered and expropriated and subjected to segregation."

Wrong. I'm saying they choose to be here because warts and all it beats the alternative. You don't have a right to your ancestral grudges in this country. Whatever this country took from your ancestors, it has given even the relatively oppressed here a better chance to succeed then the relatively well off elsewhere. Wanting to milk grudges to get ahead rather than study and work hard is loser talk.

"And what if scenarios justify ww3 but Americans should stfu a follow the status quo."
Don't know why you keep putting these words in my mouth. I'm saying we squash WW3 in the egg rather than sticking our heads in the sand and thinking it won't spread like the last two did.

African Americans choose to be here? They have no choice. Their ancestors suffered slavery and cultural genocide. And opposing civil rights organizations while making excuses for neonazis is sick.

Ancestral grudges? You're the one living a mccarthyist wet dream on a strip club site.

You showed your true colors

There is no ww3 unless biden starts it

Saying we have to invade russia and start ww 3 coz if we don't russia will 8nvade yhe world and start it is asinine propaganda only the mentally weak fall for

"African Americans choose to be here? They have no choice."
Like the rest of us, they can emigrate to any one of a number of countries they feel better suit their needs. Yet over 3 million African born individuals chose to call the US home. If this country were some racist hell, they wouldn't and anyone with a few bucks would GTFO. There are over 200 other countries in the world. Yet somehow they stay here. A lot of countries need to build walls to keep people in, we need to build them to keep people out! Tell you what, go to the border and warn any nonwhite immigrant what a hellscape they're stepping into, that they should go back where they came from. I'm sure you'll get takers. Right? Lulz.

If Antifa and BLM are "civil rights" organizations then the term has no meaning. Another BLM founder in my neck of the woods absconded with six figures, lol. But it's the thought that counts, isn't it? Lulz.

"You're the one living a mccarthyist wet dream on a strip club site."
I'm sure this made sense in your tiny little head. Lulz.

Lulz.

"Saying we have to invade russia"
You're hallucinating again

Lulz

Tetraplop you're saying we have to invade russia and start ww3 before russia starts ww3. That's inane.

You have crocodile tears for Ukraine and making excuses for neonazis while demonizing American Civil rights groups.

You're saying minorities should leave the US if they don't like it and call protestors criminals while saying Russians should overthrow their gov.

You have zero credibility

Putin will be declared a war criminal, it's not a matter of if only when. Let's hope soon. When the Russian people finally learn the truth of the atrocities in Ukraine, I expect they will feel great anger and shame.

The problem with Biden and other Western leaders is they expect Putin, as leader of Russia, to be a reasonable person.

He's not.

Biden saying that no American soldier would be on the ground in Ukraine was a mistake. He should have continually answer "we're still evaluating that".

At this point, Putin doesn't care about loosing 20,000 conscripts. Too many Russians actually believe his bullshit that Ukraine is full of Nazi's and he's freeing them. Respect for the Russian military is gone, not coming back if they withdraw.

There's just no real personal risk in it for Putin until someone marches into the Kremlin, whether that's Ukraine, NATO or the Russian people. He can't loose an election, WTF does he care how angry the Russian people are? His internal security services are actually bigger than the army that invaded Ukraine, and probably more ruthless...

Why not educate yourselves on the war crimes of American officials and call for their heads? An overthrow of the imperialist system? Or do you support it? Do you think un peacekeepers should have entered Washington when we invaded Yugoslavia Haiti Panama Iraq Afghanistan Vietnam Somalia Libya Syria etc????

It's different with the US right? 🤡🤡🤡

"you're saying we have to invade russia and start ww3 before russia starts ww3"
When the fuck have I ever said we should invade Russia?

Trying to disentangle the rest of your post is like trying to untie wet, knotted shoelaces. When you don't call American criminals "protestors" and even (lulz) "civil rights groups," you're misrepresenting what I said.

In the end you're just another CJ playing the "wHaTaBoUt America" game. Go get high and pimp out your sister, let the adults make decisions.

Russia isn't starting ww3. Youre saying it might do so. That's the biggest whataboutism on here lulz. So we have to invade it first. That's inane. Americans don't support that.

"Russia isn't starting ww3. Youre saying it might do so."
I'm saying we need to stop this conflagration--indisputably started by Russia--from becoming WW3.

"That's the biggest whataboutism on here lulz."
I don't think you know the definition of the term.

"So we have to invade it first."
Whoa. You're on a runaway freight train there, little buddy. Go back to what I said.

You're saying we need to invade russia and start ww3 to prevent russia from starting it 🤡

You have crocodile tears for Ukraine and making excuses for neonazis while demonizing American Civil rights groups.

You're saying minorities should leave the US if they don't like it and call protestors criminals while saying Russians should overthrow their gov.

You have zero credibility

But you'll still keep replying and go full sjg on the thread.

^said SJG.

You are attributing to me things I have explicitly disavowed.

Keep tilting at straw men.

Anyone can read what you said.

But keep going full retard

You calling anyone a retard is rich

Icey said "You have zero credibility"

Well, we're titty bar fans firing off armchair assessments about a national security crisis in Eastern Europe. Technically, the baseline of credibility for everyone here is zero.

^ Everyone here except Cacaplop is Henry Kissinger next to IQ75cee.

Kissinger was a right wing war criminal.

I’m joining the boycott against Subway & Nestles, they can stay in Russia , they won’t get one cent of my business.

Biden calling Putin a war criminal is the pot calling a spade a spade. Putin is attacking purely civilian targets. Putin is attacking known public shelters simply to terrorize and murder the civilian population. By violating the protocols of the Geneva Conventions, that is a war crime. More disturbing are the reports that Ukrainian civilians are being captured and forced into Russian concentration camps.

Either of those, especially if the latter is true, gives justification for the UN to intervene militarily. However, we already know that China controls most of the UN apparatchik and China is eagerly extending a line of unrepayable credit and debt hoarsing to Russia, so China will not allow the UN to do the right thing or anything that might compromise the 100 year China plan for global hegemony.

Putin is a murderous war criminal and President Biden has rallied the entire community of nations in opposing him. Putin is going to have to go.

SJG

X- Live At The Whisky A Go Go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LInxU2dW…

Russia has lost almost 10,000

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/russ…

But this is Putin's war of choice!

SJG