Assaulting Democracy

What about 4 years of attacks and not accepting the 2016 results ?

Rather than defend President Trump’s specific actions, his conservative champions change the subject to:
(1) the biased “fake news” media,
(2) over-the-top liberals,
(3) hypocrites on the left, ***
(4) anyone else victimizing Mr. Trump or his supporters and
(5) whataboutism, as in “What about Obama?” “What about Clinton?” ***

"It is one thing to criticize Trump’s arrogance, recklessness, narcissism, and lawlessness, but quite another to take a stand in favor of his impeachment and removal, or now of his defeat." --Charlie Sykes, TheBulwark, August 14, 2020

***The good doctor just demo-ed these

The reality today:

https://i.imgur.com/mdCIW17.jpg

Obviously Abrams carries more "weight" than Trump.

Careful Shadow.....:)

There is no "assault on democracy". The Trump administration has every legal right to ask for these recounts. But at a certain point, you have to ask WHY ? Even if one of these recounts overturns a state. He still isn't going to win. Let it go. Trump's constant battles with the Media has done him in. Yes, Covid 19 had a huge impact. But the National Media decided they did not want him to remain as President. So the public only heard negative things about what Trump was doing.
Were virtually all of the negative reports lies or misstatements of the truth. Yes. But it didn't matter. No one fact-checks the Media. If you go to War with them, they will win. Sad but true.
So Mr Trump, as someone that ignored the Media and voted for you anyway, Please concede. You lost.

Obviously Chuck Todd was playing to his audience, which is likely not anyone who voted for Trump. But I do agree that it's time for Trump to concede. I say this as someone who voted for him. He lost in GA and no hard evidence has surfaced almost anyone of widespread ballot tampering. I would very much like him to graciously concede so that he does not cause damage to republicans in the GA Senate runoffs, the 2022 House elections and the 2024 Presidential election.

@doc evil

I didn’t watch meet the press but I assume he was talking about the transition and not just the failure to concede? Stacey Abrams’ refusal to concede had no ramifications. She was not the incumbent. Trump’s refusal to concede will start hurting the country more and more the longer it goes on. That said, Todd is prone to pearl clutching and hand wringing so I’ve no doubt he was whining it up.

Unfortunately this is typically Trump, if anyone lived in NYC in the 1970s & 1980s he did the same stupid shenanigans as he’s doing now , completely undignified and devoid of any class, he is the embodiment of the phrase” There’s no such thing as bad publicity “

Any media outlet will spin everything towards their narrative. Trump's actions are all theatrics for his base which isn't the same as the Republican base.

NAAAASTY

Alan Dershowitz had an interesting take on it the other day. He said it's not about trying to get Trump to 270 - that won't happen. It's about trying to prevent Biden from reaching 270 by shutting down the certification process through law suits in key states. If that could be accomplished, then the election would be thrown into the House of Representatives which would almost certainly give Trump the win.

Still, it's unlikely to be successful. But if genuine fraud could be found and exposed, at least it might lead to better procedures going forward. The country can't afford another fiasco like this, and we certainly won't survive decades of unchallenged Democrat rule brought about by cheating becoming the norm.

Abrams was campaigning out in Bufod... she asked how to get back to 285 and somebody yelled KETO

I had to look that up. KETO is a diet.

Daddillac,

Now that is funny!!!

I agree with most of the comments above. Trump is not assaulting democracy. He has every right to demand the laws be followed. At the same time, he lost, narrowly, but he lost. It's time to get on with the transition to Biden. I say that as someone who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020.

Six million votes is not a narrow margin neither is 306 electoral votes, forget Chuck Todd its way past time for Mr Trump to take his ball and go home
And to you angry trumpublicans keep in mind Joe Biden was an olive branch offered to try to bring the country together he is not part of the Green New Deal nor is he a socialist nor a communist sympathizer so knock off the crap and let’s get to work there’s stuff that needs to be done, lead, follow, or get the fuck out of the way.

Chuck Turd is a liberal hack. How conveniently the liberal media has forgotten that everyone told Biden not to concede under any circumstances, how Gore rescinded his conceding the 2000 election to Bush, and yes how the same democrat party and liberal media spent four years denying that Trump was the legitimate POTUS.

Such worthless hypocrites. You are all beneath contempt.

I am actually impressed with most of the comments here. Even the Trump supporters are saying it is time to move forward. There is hope for us yet.

A silver lining that history can point to is that this election has been tested beyond the limits of any before. The process works. It is not without its flaws, but those flaws have minimal impact on the outcome.

The country is very tired of two things, the virus and rehashing the election the result of which is not going to change.

"More on the Security of the 2020 US Election" [Bruce] Schneier on Security

— https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2…

"Last week I signed on to two joint letters about the security of the 2020 election. The first was as one of 59 election security experts, basically ***saying that while the election seems to have been both secure and accurate (voter suppression notwithstanding), we still need to work to secure our election systems...***

[...]
The second [letter] was a more general call for election security measures in the US...

These pile on to the November 12 statement from Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) and the other agencies of the Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee. While I’m not sure how they have enough comparative data to claim that “the November 3rd election was the most secure in American history,” they are certainly credible in saying that “there is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

We have a long way to go to secure our election systems from hacking. Details of what to do are known. Getting rid of touch-screen voting machines is important, but ***baseless claims of fraud don’t help."***

Assault on democracy lol. Letting in the scum called migrants is the truest assault on democracy ever.

@jimmy, I must disagree that Stacey Abrams’ refusal to concede had no ramifications. Some might like, and even applaud, her antics claiming that the election was stolen and votes compromised because it yielded significant increase in young and minority voters who were told they were being blocked from voting.

Taho says that two weeks of disputing the 2020 election results is too much, but the past 4 years of dispute since Trump beat Clinton has been okay.

Liberal hypocrisy, folks.

libturds didn't accept trump at all for the past four years. if that's the case then why should everyone opposite them accept biden?

@bubba

That’s fair. I meant negative ramifications to the instant election, not future impacts on another election. And yes, increased voter registration on both sides was both a GA and national impact/ramification of the last cycle. I would say it was a positive, on both sides. In any event, all moot now that Trump okayed the transition.

Someone above mentioned about biden what he isn't and bringing the country together. People are delusional if they think biden was run by the left to be president. He was only a possibly electable place keeper.

Biden was not a run to the left, but his VP is left of even Bernie Sanders. Her voting record in the Senate is proof. As a 78 yo man with ample evidence of dementia, the odds are squarely against his completing even his first term. Ergo, a vote for Joe Biden was a vote for a President Harris.

@O

Biden wasn’t “run by the left.” There were 20 candidates and he was voted to the nomination by the dem voters in 50 states. No supervoters, just votes. That said, he wasn’t everyone’s first choice without a doubt. I’d agree many people voted for him as the best chance to unify the Democratic Party to win this single election which was the top priority of the Democratic Party, plus those of us republicans who think Trump is a scourge. It worked.

I agree that Trump should concede. There aren’t enough irregularities to change outcome. However he should continue the lawsuits. There has to be some uniformity and consistency with voting being done by mail. The current system is far too vulnerable and open to fraud.

Good thread. Good responses. No hatred or craziness. So I'll tell you who/what I hate.....the media! I know there is a problem with a virus and 2020 has been FUBAR, but I think the media is loving all of it.

But anyway great points from everyone.

Take care, stay safe, support your...strippers and bartenders when/if you can and enjoy life.

Al Gorw and the democrats cheated and delayed the transition to Bish for so long that 9/11 occurred. Obama letting in illegal criminals was the truest assault on democracy and a huge reason for California including illegals in their vote totals. Mail in voting is a longer term for cheating. Vote in person or fuck off.

The whole "mandatory mail-in" voting thing was supposedly because of the virus pandemic. After a vaccine is successfully deployed and the virus is no longer a threat, what excuse will the Democrats create to continue using "mail-in" as the primary means of voting?

^ Why not go back to Viva Voce voting I mean really what century are you living in

https://www.history.com/news/vote-by-mai…

^demented old twat