Chaos Magick
Talking here about the North London movement led by Peter J. Carroll and Phil Hine. Read some Carroll, now to be reading Hine.
Notice that the cover has that eight rayed "Chaos Star".
I only partial go along with this movement, but like everything else, I want to understand it and understand its premises.
I would also like to be reading Dave Evans, this and his other book. Looks to deal with people like Kenneth Grant.
But Evans is not now in libraries. As always, a controversial subject.
And then Nema, a successor to Grant.
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last commentThe above Horus Maat Lodge site is really interesting, and extensive.
Kenneth Grant has passed away. Is there anything left of his Typhoon Order?
Maybe it is just in contacting his publisher. And there are more books about his order than I had though, though most of his books are now very hard to get.
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I only partially go along with any of this stuff. But that is why I am reading so much as I need to understand much better.
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Yes, like some of the Chaos Magick people, Nema wants you to follow your own path, not have to be instructed by her people. No real rules, probably no fees.
Eventually to set up your own magical system.
Can't see much homage to Kenneth Grant, who she had been with.
Some homage to the Chaos Magick people. But mostly she cites Crowley books.
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Certificate of Formation
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Statement of principles going back to 1974. No homage to Grant, just homage to Crowley.
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I believe this is a Sex Magic group. As it seems to have no real rules, it cannot not be one. But yet to see any foregrounding of this. Grant was very foreground about Sex Magick and Tantra.
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From the back of Condensed Chaos, by Phil Hine:
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We live in a world subject to extensive and seemingly all-embracing systems of social and personal control that continually feed us the lie that we are each alone, helpless and powerless to effect change. But magic is a doorway through which we step into mystery, wildness and immanence. And magic is about change. Magic leads us into exhilaration and ecstasy; into insight and understanding; into changing ourselves and the world in which we participate. Through magic we may come to explore the possibilities of freedom.
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Most occultism seems to support the Right, even if the practitioners do not seem to realize this. It is just like it is with religion, a political opiate.
And I feel that Chaos Magick pioneer Peter J. Carroll and some others make statements which support the Right.
But I read Phil Hine's Condensed Chaos and I do not see it that way. For one thing, Chaos Magick does not depend upon Traditionalism. And Hine had been long term editor of Chaos International.
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This Phil Hine is really good.
Not really a link between non-linear dynamics (chaos theory) and quantum mechanics and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, but no matter. Hine is the most philosophically astute occult writer I have found to date.
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So the books Phil Hine is endorsing:
Amookos, Tantra Magick, 1990, also endorsed by Nema, not in libraries, not even in Amazon
This is it:
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Angerford & Lea, Thudersqueak 1987
Bey, Hakim T.A.Z. 1991, most well known book.
Burroughs, William S., Exterminator! The Adding Machine
Crowley, Aleister, The Book of Thoth, The Book of Lies
Falorio, Linda, The Shadow Tarot, 1991, Headless Press
Fries, Jan, Visual Magick, Helrunar
Gleick, J. Chaos, 1987
Hofstader, D. Metamagical Themas, 1985
Hurley, J. Finley, Sorcery, 1985
See, they want nearly $600 for this. Very hard to get.
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Starfire Publishing, lots and lots of interesting links.
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Here, an ongoing Kenneth Grant blog
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Of Austin Osman Spare, he likes, The Book of Pleasure, 1975, but really 1913
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The Book of Pleasure: The Psychology of Ecstasy
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This Spare edition is published:
Ethos: The Magical Writings of Austin Osman Spare - Micrologus, the Book of Pleasure, the Witches Sabbath, Mind to Mind and How by a Sorceror
Ethos: The Magical Writings of Austin Osman Spare - Micrologus, the Book of Pleasure, the Witches Sabbath, Mind to Mind and How by a Sorceror
Available to check out from libraries is mostly
Austin Osman Spare : the occult life of London's legendary artist / Phil Baker ; foreword by Alan Moore.
And Alan Moore 1953:
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^^^^ Hundreds of books in libraries
Other books listed by Hine:
Sherwin, Ray, The Book of Results
^^^^ Not in libraries.
Starhawk, Dreaming the Dark,
Walsh, R. N. The Spirit of Shmanism
Wilson, Steve, Chaos Ritual, (Neptune, 1994)
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Phil Hine's "Condensed Chaos" is thoughtful and very well written. I wish there were more things I could just quote here, but it is so philosophically advanced that I find myself at a loss.
Got to read it yourselves.
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Had not known about this, but it looks most interesting:
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These guys draw so much from Kenneth Grant, in my opinion, but they seem to disown him.
The acknowledge Aleister Crowley and Austin Osman Spare.
Here, from Peter J. Carroll's introduction, an idea which surprised me:
"The symbollic syncretism of the Golden Dawn a century ago, which fused renaissance Hermeticism with oriental esoterics drawn from European imperial experience, only fully flowered when Aleister Crowley added a battery of gnostic power techniques culled from diverse cultural sources. Then along came Austin Spare, who identified the basic sleight of mind techniques underlying all forms of magic, and showed us that we could treat the whole baroque symbolism of magic as entirely optional. Spare invented teh Postmodernist approach to magic well before the cultural advent of Existentialism or Postmodernism."
^^^^ awesome.
But I want to add, in opposition to these Chaos Magick sorts, that Chaos Theory, or Non-Linear Dynamics, do not draw from Quantum Mechanics or the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. And this is one area where their theorizing runs into troubles.
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The revolutions of Quantum Physics and Non-Linear Dynamics are now returning us to the awareness, long hidden, that the world is magical. That we are, as Alan Moore so eloquently put it, "unpredictable beyond the dreams of Heisenberg."
Not sure if I really agree with that.
But another good book:
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One of the most basic relationships is that of Self and Other; me and everything else; us and them. Even this relationship is informed by the dominant model of reality whichis based on nineteenth century notions such as the absolute separation of mind from matter ... and the distinction beween subjectivity and objectivity.
^^^ Now here Hine is really on to something important.
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Hine and Carroll are a bit off in my view about quantum mechanics because while their is uncertainty, at the macroscopic level, everything still conforms to the laws of statistical thermodynamics.
That said though, quantum mechanics and non-linear dynamics (Chaos Theory) are extremely interesting.
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Although science has more or less driven out the religious concept of an immortal soul, it still tends to make a distinction between inner and outer experience by upholding the Mind-Body divide -- "The Ghost in the Machine". Magical theories which, like scientific theories, were codified and generalized in the Nineteenth century, tend to reinforce this division to various degrees."
Hine is completely correct here. This is also why most Cognitive Science and Artificial Intelligence work has been bogus.
Then Hine goes on to say:
In contrast, Chaos supports the view that the Mind arises from the body.
This view though is the basic materialist view. It is not really the view of Religion, or of 19th Century Occultism either. I think Hine is missing something. But I also note that they are saying that Chaos Magick is compatible with Marxism. This would be the reason.
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Power, Magical Power?
Bertrand Russell put it, "the ability to achieve intended effect".
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Read up thru page 58, end of chapter 3, and lots of other stuff. Things changing on the ground!
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Neema and Maat Magick are kind of precursors and co-participants in Chaos Magick.
So I list this here.
This book is new and it is impressive. Notice they have this Horus and Maat Magick Inner Council, so they are preparing for orderly succession.
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Sex Magicians: The Lives and Spiritual Practices of Paschal Beverly Randolph, Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons, Marjorie Cameron, Anton LaVey, and Others
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In this area there lots of books which are hard to get. Esoteric and Occult subjects are where you find a very high interest in old books, and many of them are regularly republished. And there is only so much info available online. But this group has a huge web site.
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Silver Star newsletter pdf 189 pages
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color Nuit drawing used as dedication page!
Seems to be mostly short articles, illustrations, rituals, and poetry. Including two by Nema. Quite interesting, quite good.
Here they have a lot of previous issues. They use Crowley's name, EQUINOX.
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So looking at their ABOUT
The aim of the Horus/Maat Lodge is to manifest the Double Wanded God-dess. The energies available are the Double Currents of Horus and Maat.
Those who are not interested in Maat are invited to join with the Lodge anyway since the law is Do What Thou Wilt.
We are accomplishing the Great Work! Analysis and Synthesis.
The Horus Current of revolution and ecstasy, which was heralded through the Eye of Frater Perdurabo and others;
The Maat Current of mystery and mutation, which was heralded through the triangle of Soror Nema, Frater Achad, Frater Belarion and others.
( Soror Nema is the founder of the group. Frater Perdurabo is Aleister Crowley, Frater Achad was the guy in Vancouver to declared the Aeon of Maat, to counter balance Crowley's Aeon of Horus. )
Manifesto
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Soror Andahadna (now known as Nema), Horus and Maat Magick Founder
11 Star Rite
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Oh, its the 10 Sephiroth plus Da'ath to get 11.
They have text for each one:
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Sister Order, QBLH
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The current rite of 11
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Tantra, Alchemy, and True Love
a man and woman in Yab Yum, shown from above under the thelemic symbol
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Written by Nema
Although purists may complain, I see Eastern Tantra and Western Alchemy as two versions of the same thing: sex magick. Both can be employed to charge a ritual or general Working with tremendous power for causing change to occur in conformity with Will. I have occasionally encountered colleagues on the initiatory path, however, who dislike the idea of sex magick, seeing it as being a kind of prostitution of the deepest expression of love between partners.
In my own experience, Magick and love enhance each other; sex and love are not necessarily linked, nor are Magick and sex. Experienced mages, under ideal conditions, prefer the presence of all three factors, but not all are needed for the powers of Tantra and Alchemy to work. Some definitions might be useful at this point.
Aleister Crowley’s definition of Magick hasn’t been surpassed, in my opinion: “Magick is the Science and the Art of causing change to occur in conformity with Will.” This includes influencing the world around us as well as working on our own personal transformation. Tantra, again as I see it, is the prolongation of pre-orgasmic tension without strain to achieve ecstatic states of consciousness and personal disappearance. Alchemy is the direction of sexual tension and release to power willed change in the material world, as well as in more rarified worlds.
In Western Magick, Alchemy is considered on two levels: in the ancient physical sense of athanors, alblemics, the Philosopher’s Stone and the Elixir of Life, and in the sexual sense where the human body is a laboratory that can make properly charged elixirs. In general, Tantra seems more suitable for Inner exploration and the discovery of metaphysical information, while Alchemy seems designed more for the working of your will on your surroundings.
In either event, there are various ways of employing the benefits of sex magick in your path. The first approach presents few problems; autoeroticism is simpler and easier than working with a partner, even though it doesn’t provide the full spectrum of energy types that are divided between men and women. Homosexual workings need more research and reporting, but I would assume that the ethical considerations would apply.
Working in Tantra and Alchemy as an initiated, experienced couple is the default mode and best-case scenario. You have unity of purpose, familiarity with the way your bodies and spirits work together, and some degree of mastery of energy flow and of the directing of the magickal current(s) of the universe. Not only do you express your mutual love, but you send it beyond yourselves in shared will for the greater good. You can proceed equally well in Eastern and Western aspects of the Art, and you can work both spontaneously and deliberately.
There’s no essential conflict in this arrangement, and no inherent ethical problems. What do you do in the situation where you are a mage and your partner isn’t, though? Does Tantra or Alchemy intrude upon the attention and total engagement that your partner deserves? Not necessarily, when you’ve prepared a talisman or sigil and your word of power in advance for use at the right time. When passion moves the two of you to unite sexually, devote yourself to it completely. In the afterglow, when your partner drifts into sleep, briefly visit your altar, or have the symbol nearby, to anoint it with the elixir. A lover ignorant of Magick by that name is not being “used”, but is being cherished and held holy by the initiated lover, blessed and flooded by the essence of love under will.
To me, there’s no higher form of love-making than that imbued with Magick, and used with understanding and wisdom. It enhances, not encumbers. Love is the law-love under will.
Author’s note. The subjects of Tantra and Alchemy cover vast territory, even though they’re subdivisions of the even larger fields of Magick and Metaphysics. If you have a particular aspect of it you’d like to see opined upon, let our editor know. N.
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The Color of Magic, by Terry Pratchett.
Finally have this in hand. This would be the first of about 40 fantasy novels for Pratchett.
This one introduced DISCWORLD, and this idea of the Chaos Start and its 8 Rays, each corresponding to a different color, or type of magic.
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Peter J. Carroll started writing about Chaos Magick before this, but by his second book Liber Kaos, he had adopted Pratchett's 8 colors and Chaos Star.
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An Abbreviated Introduction to Chaos Magic
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More generally speaking, some Chaos magicians use Carroll’s Eight Colors of Magick. Carroll uses different correspondences than Isaac Bonewits did in “Real Magic”, and assigns one color/type to each point of the eight-pointed chaostar. The correspondences are as follows:
Black: Death
Blue: Wealth
Green: Love
Yellow: Ego
Purple or Silver: Sex
Orange: Thinking
Red: War
Octarine: “Pure” Magic
Octarine is the name Terry Pratchett gave to the (humorous) theory regarding the eighth color of the spectrum.
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This guy used to be called PEI Bonewitz, and I read one of his books, "Real Magic". I don't remember an colors. Is Bonewitz where the colors come from?
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Origin of the Chaos Star, 8 black rays. In 3D it is the Chaos Sphere.
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Anton Channing, two main books
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