“We the people, of tuscl, need to desacralize the Constitution; to expose

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• skibum609

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  5 years ago

  Only a true enemy of the United States would believe that the single finest document ever produced by human beings is outdated. What is wrong is that the people who want to violate the Constitution are the people who don't belong here in the first place.
• founder

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  5 years ago

  The founder of tuscl couldn't disagree more with you.
• founder

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  5 years ago

  By disagree, I mean CJkent, not skibum.
  
  I pretty much totally agree with skibum.
  
  
• founder

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  5 years ago

  Just curious how a document that can be amended is outdated.
  
• founder

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  5 years ago

  “Completely outdated and irrelevant to modern issues”
  
  You do realize your "modern issues" are a raindrop in a sea of past and future issues right?
  
  If you think our constitution is outdated, why not move to Venezuela? They have a shiny new constitution.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Most of the EU countries have newer constitutions than ours, and especially Germany.
  
  Much has changed since ours was written.
  
  And as I know, the UK does not even have a written constitution, they just have their history of court decisions.
  
  To desacralaize our constitution, as I see it it means that we are going to get realistic, and stop worshiping the words on paper. That the courts would interpret our constitution started with Marbury v Madison, 1800. Jefferson's side won, but when Jefferson realized what had happened he was not pleased. The court had established itself as being able to interpret law and constitution as it deemed fit. But this has worked very well for us. Without this, our laws would not even come close to adhering to the constitution.
  
  A sacralized constitution is rather like idolatry. Does not work.
  
  Constitution for the Netherlands is worth careful study.
  
  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111135/
  
  SJG
• CJKent (Banned)

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  5 years ago

  “the constitution is both insufficiently democratic, in a country that professes to believe in democracy, and significantly dysfunctional, in terms of the quality of government that we receive.”
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  ^^^^ Agreed!
  
  Unfortunately the populace has become reactionary.
  
  SJG
• founder

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  5 years ago

  Our constitution gives the democracy to the states. Our "country" is really the precursor to the EU.
  
  
• founder

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  5 years ago

  Really, you want the federal government to be involved in your local affairs? That makes zero sense.
• Uprightcitizen

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  5 years ago

  Why are you putting quotes around things with no attribution? It looks you are trying to shield yourself from flak because you don't have the balls to represent that you said it yourself (or you don't want to show some completely discredited source).
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  We have State Constitutions and we have our Federal Constitution. Most civil rights and civil liberties advances have been through the latter.
  
  http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/nl00t___.…
  
  A revision in 1848 instituted a system of parliamentary democracy. In 1983, a major revision of the Constitution of the Netherlands was undertaken, almost fully rewriting the text and adding new civil rights. The text is sober, devoid of legal or political doctrine and includes a bill of rights.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constituti…
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_na…
  
  SJG
• CJKent (Banned)

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  5 years ago

  @ founder;
  
  "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who, when, where he/she does it or says it."
• CJKent (Banned)

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  5 years ago

  @Uprightcitizen
  
  “You should decide whether something makes sense by its content, not by the person who says it, regardless of the letters after his name or his title or position in society.”
  
  Quotations are used by me as a means of inspiration and to invoke philosophical thoughts from the reader.
  
  Pragmatically speaking, quotations can also be used as language games (in the Wittgensteinian sense of the term) to manipulate social order and the structure of society.
  
• RandomMember

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  5 years ago

  You posted quote without any attribution. Do you understand? You didn't tell us who is responsible for the quote.
  
  Of course you're not as goofy as @Mark94 who plagiarizes entire paragraphs from sources like the NY Times without any quotes.
• CJKent (Banned)

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  5 years ago

  @RandomMember
  
  You should decide whether something makes sense by its content, not by the person who says it, regardless of the letters after his name or his title or position in society.
  
  OK?
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  ^^^^ Ideally, but sometimes a persons identity and reputation do matter.
  
  SJG
• Uprightcitizen

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  5 years ago

  ^^^^ No balls answer!
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  ^^^^^ No balls Uprightcitizen.
  
  We do look to trusted leaders to guide us.
  
  SJG
• Uprightcitizen

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  5 years ago

  Of course it matters you pseudo-intellectual troll. If you really don't think it matters then simply remove the quotes. But you won't because you lack the balls to either defend yourself or the other rando nutjob producing the crap you copy-paste on a message board.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Watching the House Managers, now Sylvia Garcia from Texas, Really Really Good, as are the Diplomats, Military, National Security, Intelligence, and Foreign Policy people who are in the testimony clips.
  
  https://www.democracynow.org/live/watch_…
  
  SJG
• bdirect

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  5 years ago

  hong kong is begging for the UK to come back , They want freedom and democracy, not a communist china goverment telling them how to live.
• bdirect

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  5 years ago

  i have talked to people from Venezuela in the states, they say it is a nightmare, it was a very rich country,
• pistola

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  5 years ago

  CJ how many blow up dolls do you own?
• Call.Me.Ishmael

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  5 years ago

  Just for kicks, you should try forming an independent thought.
• skibum609

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  5 years ago

  Most of the EU countries are welfare leeches, who defend themselves with the taxpayer money paid to the Federal Government in this country. Thgese sleazebag socialist leeches have an agreement to spend a ceratin amount of mnoney on defense as part of their membership in NATO and all but 2 failed and always fail to honor their word. If these leeches had to pay for their own defense, they weould be powerless internationally and socialism would fail. Socialism only works when there is money earned by capitalists they can steal. The Constituion in America works for law abiding, hard-working decent people. The rest go live somehwre else where uselss is a nadge of hoinor i.e. Gaza, Venezuela, etc. I agree CJKENT: every single thing you have posted is wrong.
• prevert

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  5 years ago

  No we don’t need to “desacralize” it. People need to understand it. They need to understand the intent. And they need to understand how today’s politicians, and other idiots, are trying to subvert it and take our freedoms away.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  Venezuela and China are not examples to look to, they were not democratically established. The only way this will happen in the US is if sanity does not prevail and people keep listening to Right Wing Nonsense News and casting votes for buffoons, thus forcing violence.
  
  Here, talks about US Constitution:
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/067406…
  
  Where as the Declaration of Independence champions Constituted Popular Sovereignty, the Constitution primarily exists only to protect property from such constituted popular sovereignty.
  
  But look at what the Declaration, is doing, Jefferson's Preamble:
  
  https://www.amazon.com/God-Other-Famous-…
  
  Jefferson was a follower of John Locke, and for Locke it was Life, Liberty, and Property.
  
  But Jefferson decided not to follow this, making it Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
  
  That declaration continues to inspire people around the world. But most advanced industrial and information democracies have gone to something now very different from our constitution.
  
  SJG