Generally, girls that ask for tips after dances often did nothing to deserve them and are usually just trying to get more easy money out of you, IME. But what about the girls that up the mileage in a dance and then ask/tell mid-dance "You are tipping me for this?" Now if it's obviously greater mileage than the "standard" dance there, then of course the tip is a no-brainer. I would have given it regardless, and usually a decent one. But if it just something more than their comfort level or more than what THEY usually do, but not significantly more, if at all, than what the average dancer there does, it can be a bit annoying. If they didn't ask, i probably still would tip them something anyway, but it's a bit of a turn off when they seek tips this way, particularly during a dance. I appreciate that they were willing to do "more" with me, but they're less likely to get repeat dances from me in the future.
Do you tip for more mileage, whether asked or not?
If a girl has to ask me for a tip, that's usually because her dance was garbage and did nothing for me so I'm not tipping, and I have no shame in that. For every decent mileage lap dance, I'm very good for tipping $5 for every $20 lap dance (25% tip). If I go for more and she's good at math, she generally ups the mileage even more. If a girl delivers an LDK, I usually tip even more.
But that's just me. I don't go to strip clubs often enough to break bank, so my system is fine for me and I don't plan on tweaking it anytime soon.
I don’t think I’ve ever had anyone ask for a tip mid dance. At least, I don’t remember any.
I’ve had lots of dancers ask beforehand, when I’m telling them what I want, and I *always* tell them what I want and get agreement before paying, and my response is always on the order of “if you’re agreeing to let me ..., then yes.”
As for after the dance, I tip, or not, based on the dance, and if she didn’t deserve it, I’ll say no and tell her why. Doesn’t usually happen that I do *not* tip, simply because I’m pretty straightforward about things beforehand, but once in a while it does.
If I’ve felt I’ve ENJOYED it or I REALLY enjoyed it i’ll tip an extra $10 or $20 (respectively) on top of the dances, for mileage. But more often than not, simply buying more dances (stacking) is its own reward. Very rarely do I not find her worth the extra $10 though.
I find having non creepy social skills along with good grooming helps. I push and play for more, I gauge her non verbal cues and look for consent. She’ll pull back or dance defensively, like pulling cats paw when going for the boobs, if she doesn’t want you to do something. Just proceed slowly and deliberately, with either a verbal or a nonverbal, “Is it ok if I ...”.
Like gmd, I can't remember a single time a girl asked for a tip MID-DANCE. Is this happening often to you, Dirk?
My general rule is that I tip for extraordinary service. Not just good, not just better than average. In general, that means that I would NOT tip a low-mileage girl just for pushing herself past her own limits and giving me an average-mileage dance. Of course, every rule is meant to be broken, and at least in theory, I might imagine a special case where I'm highly motivated to encourage things along (brand new dancer, smoking hot)
-->" I appreciate that they were willing to do "more" with me, but they're less likely to get repeat dances from me in the future. "
I -- and I gather most PLs -- have been there where we were not happy the girl asked for a tip, but we gave her a tip anyway and just expressed our displeasure by not doing dances with her in the future. But I always felt like a bitch doing that -- I mean, if I were so annoyed that I wouldn't ever do dances with her again, why did I tip her? Answer: I was intimidated, or afraid of her reaction, or didn't want her to not like me. Or, in other words, I was being a little bitch. These days, I am pretty hardcore invested in my rule #2 of strip clubbing: Don't be a little bitch. Any girl asks me for a tip that I wasn't already about to give her on my own, I turn her down: I do say it with a smile, and with a respectful tone, but also with direct eye contact and confidant voice & posture. I've never had a negative reaction, and often the girl just takes it in stride, which shows you that it is not personal for them, just a technique to maximize their revenue, and in fact I WAS being a little bitch by simply going along.
@Subraman
Maybe only a handful or two times or so in the last several years, but actually a few times just recently. The last two times, i would have tipped anyways, but now i'm not that interested in dancing with either girl as that type of behavior just makes them seem thirsty. The other time was from a practically brand new girl who was doing all kinds of wild stuff even saying at one point, you can do whatever you want as long as you tip me well. Maybe not the best way to do it, but i didn't mind much at all in that case as she was truly delightful. I could see a PL possibly getting all that and not tipping her. She might never put out like that again. But at that place, quite a few girls let you do practically "everything" you want, at least after a certain number of dances, without negotiating before or during a dance, so i guess they don't really get burned that often. I do agree, i don't really care about girls i don't ever want to see again, and most girls that ask for tips, i don't ever want to see again, so i just smirk in my head, or maybe even for real, and don't give them anything. But these two girls i did enjoy their dances and wouldn't have minded seeing them again otherwise. Now, not so much.
@Salty.Nutz
$40 for LDK does seem generous to me. Then again, LDK's not my thing so i don't really put a value on it. I know some TUSCLers don't tip at all for LDK and some PLs can nut from just a "regular" grinding dance or two. And from the pink site, i think more than a few girls will ask for tips if they know they caused an LDK. I remember, one dancer asked me if came (i didn't; i guess i didn't stay very hard the entire time); i think she might have been trying/hoping to shake me down for a big tip. This was at a club that only sold sets of dances and for relatively cheap. I had gotten 5 for $60 i think; they also had 2 for $25 and 5 for $50 option. The tip hustle was pretty big there. Usually not mid-dance, but before and after however. Again, the same applied. The girls that asked usually gave mediocre dances at best.
@Subraman there was one time I walked into a club, it was obvious I had just entered the main room and I was still just standing there waiting for my eyes to adjust to the dark, and this dum-dum waked into me then asked for a tip for her bumping into me. I started laughing,, she got mad at me. The manager had to take her to the back to shut her up, I never saw her again. I still chuckle when I think about it.
Thinking about it TDD you're probably right. im making them fat in the club. I dont look to LDK but some girls know how to work it, thats why i tip. i bought a pitty dance once, and she made me bust a nut in 1 song. i wasnt trying anything just wanted the song to be over, but i nutted.
Maybe i should have framed the question differently. Like "Do you tip girls that ask for them?" But historically, the answer has been no for the vast majority of them. Now i'm talking just dances, as with VIP/CRs, the girls actually work/try for a big tip as well as on stage (small tips though). But with dances, tips are for excellent services beyond the standard rendered as the girls are already being paid well in the form of the price of the dance (which they keep the majority or even all of it, besides tip-outs). And almost all of the girls that have asked me for tips after (and sometimes before) the dances didn't give excellent service. But this more recent development of girls adding more mileage and then immediately inquiring about tips is an unusual almost foreign experience. I didn't care for it. Really hope it doesn't become a thing.
@Cashman
Inserting the tip...true story. Not that tip and not a funny story either, but one of those tip seeking girls was giving a very sexy sensual dance. Displaying that lovely pussy while leaning back on my lap. As i'm opening her up and playing with her clit, she then says "You will tip for that, right?" I think i affirmed somehow, don't remember exactly what i said. "Sure", maybe? Now at this club, this activity is actually fairly common in regular dances with the vast majority of girls allowing, even encouraging it, particularly during the day shift, although not quite as common during the night shift (which this was). She had large lovely lips, and a wet dripping glistening pussy. She turns around with her ass facing me up close and her face down, and i'm just very tempted by her wet hole and slowly slip the tip of my thumb inside slightly, where then she says "please don't do that". She didn't jerk away or make any noticeable movement, even staying in that position quite a while longer. But of course, i stopped. I suppose i should have put two and two together, realizing if she was charging more for more basic kitty play, insertion might not be on the table. Combined with her rather mercenary nature (although she gave a nice dance, she wasn't very warm on the floor now that i think about it), i cut the dances not long afterward. Paid her along with a tip (which she didn't seem to appreciate much, oh well), and was done with her. Would i dance with her again? Probably not, which is a shame in a way. She seemed to have potential as a relatively newer girl.
The mixed-clubs in my area are $25/song which I think is expensive-enough for 3 to 3.5 minutes (not even a truly complete-song) - I'll tend to round-up ($60 for 2-dances; $80 for 3) if I feel she allowed beyond the standard 2-way contact-dance (beyond groping-and-grinding; i.e. titty-sucking or her playing w/ my dick) - w/e SS a dancer tells me these days is inconsequential for the most-part - if she did not put in the extra-work to deserve extra-payment, then I don't tip whether she asks or not - and if she did put in the work then I tip whether she asks or not.
I just find it a strange coincidence that the girls ask the most often don't put in the work. Kind of like servers at restaurants (here we go again with that analogy) that put automatic gratuities on bills. Usually when a server does that, it's because she either doesn't expect a minimum tip from the table or because she doesn't have faith in her service provided. I know, sometimes she is protecting her "tip" from certain "types" that might not tip well or taking "even money" (gambling analogy) on an expensive check. But on average, a good server doesn't have to resort to this.
There are two types of dancers (really applies to anyone; not just dancers)
1) those that wanna earn your $$$
2) those that just want your $$$
There are dancers that focus on giving good-dances and they are often rewarded (although not necessarily always) - rewarded via tips; extra-songs; VIP, repeat-biz; etc
Then there are dancers that only focus on how much they can get from you and put little-effort/focus into the dance/experience - e.g. they spend the whole-song badgering you about VIP and not putting much focus/effort on the dance itself
I *know* I over tip for dances (generally about $5 for every two). But that’s because I also know I’m getting more (non-VIP) mileage from most of them. At one club I like, there are some girls who are letting me grope everywhere who aren’t even taking their tops off for most other guys. The lap dances are not hidden, so it’s obvious, and I’ve heard several bitching about it at the bar. :)
What burns me is dancers that quote a price and add "plus tip". That's usually a giveaway that they're expecting money for nothing and I usually pass on spending time with or money on them.
Dirk imagines that dancers who enjoy doing dances are “unicorns,” and dancers ask him for mileage tips in the middle of songs.. anyone else see a pattern! lol.
Have you considered that maybe you aren’t taking the dancers ques ab how she likes to be touched very well? That would explain why the dancers are asking for more money during dances, AND seeming to not be enjoying the dances.
I had a dancer a couple weeks ago give me about 5 dancers for the price of 1. I wasn't particularly engaged in the dance and kept telling her that we should head back after the first dance. She muttered that I should tip her next time. You'll get a tip when I think you've earned it. Some of you might think "dang lolruned, you got 5 dances for the price of 1" but I think otherwise
I started those two discussions based on two different overall experiences, with the first one (dancers enjoying the "dirtier" aspects of stripping) based on observations or reflection over, well, an entire career of SCing. As much as i or any PL might like to imagine, as you say, or fantasize that the dancers sincerely enjoy or get genuine pleasure out of grinding dicks and being groped, fondled, caressed, sucked, kissed on, licked, whatever by whomever during a dance (and all these things too often happen, as you probably know), i feel that the reality is that they usually put up with it a lot more than they enjoy it to the point that i don't think many of them could honestly say they really enjoy it after all is said and done. Not that there aren't any girls that don't still enjoy it overall, but even for those, it gets old. Seriously, most PLs don't care, at least at a conscious level, that the girl is really enjoying it. Both PLs and dancers alike are in this for inherently selfish reasons, different reasons, and that is to be expected.
You have someone like Poledancer, and i have no reason to believe she isn't being honest, saying that she gets horny every now and then and also sometimes finds a PL sexy or attractive. So in that situation, it is very possible for her to enjoy a very dirty dance regardless of how much money the PL is spending. Even to the point of having sex with him outside the club or maybe even in the club. But even she seemed to imply that this was both dancer and PL dependent. Not every dancer would enjoy this kind of situation and certainly not with every PL. Now the odds of the stars aligning like that for just any PL is very unlikely.
On the other hand, you have a dancer like the one Papi described that greeted him like a soldier coming back from deployment. A little contrived yes, but only adds to the fantasy that dancers really enjoy their interactions with PLs. Later on in a more quiet moment, the dancer tells him that she doesn't enjoy stripping, which is definitely not something a dancer should ever tell a PL. It's just not sexy and conducive to getting dances. So a dancer can often fool a PL, or at least make him believe what he wants. Do i need to care about the reality of it all? For most PLs, hell no. Even i understand this is all fantasy, no matter how real it feels or what type of acts you are doing ITC or OTC, front room make out sessions, notwithstanding. And yet there is a part of me that does care about the truth of it all, and believe you me, i can handle it. In a way, it would help to know and then i can move forward with clarity either way rather than pondering about it through these discussions, lol. I am, however, fairly confident of my current suspicions.
Now this whole deal with tipping is completely unrelated even if you think that they are in some Kevin Bacon kind of way. Of the three examples i described somewhere in this discussion, two of them did not strike me as girls that genuinely enjoyed giving high mileage dances (as i believe most girls don't). The first one was a pro and although "comfortable" with very high mileage and contact, was definitely trying to ensure that she was getting paid for it. Basically, you take care of me and i'll take care of you type of deal. I bet she sought out tips (who knows how successfully) with just about any PL she danced with. The dances were great fun, but in the end felt like too much of a business transaction. She would have almost certainly been a favorite otherwise.The second, despite being a newer dancer, definitely had an idea of what certain acts were worth as well as what she was willing to do. I just never clearly found out what acts and exactly how much. It was never discussed, and i don't tend to discuss these things (basic lap dance acts, not extras) or ever felt a need to. The third, the wild baby stripper, was very convincing. Outside of the tip request, she said all the right things and physically responded beyond my expectations. I did not touch all the same way. I followed their lead or initiation in some cases while offering my own, which often had nothing to do with their enjoyment. The "enjoyment" of that third stripper, however, greatly enhanced the experience even if i knew it entailed a hefty tip, which i would have given her anyway. In conclusion, basically, the talk of tips, at any point of the dance is not sexy and in the long run it's better for the PL to initiate the tipping (let it be his idea). Or put another way, i've never had a favorite or regular that sought out tips.
Now that i've finished talking to myself, if you have anything relevant to add to this particular discussion, feel free.
You just posted a poorly edited dissertation and I can't believe I read the whole thing. I agree with what you're getting at. Better customer service leads to more money in the long run. Badgering a patron for tips does not align with good customer service. I don't think a lot of the dancers actually like dancing. They like what it can potentially lead to (lots of easy money) but don't want to put into that extra effort. I guess you can say most people work for money
^ If you saw who it was addressed to you could have just ignored it, not that i expected anyone to actually read all of it, lol. The vast majority of it all was about a "completely" different discussion that i don't care to dredge back up, but it's still open and was quite active.
^dancers telling you they don’t like stripping, is almost always a sympathy hustle, designed to play on your inner White Knight. Don’t think you really understand how much money some of these girls make, you are very naive.
Anyway, i realized the reason that asking for tips bothered me, even if a tip was deserved, was that it tended to kill any fantasy and reduce the experience to a business transaction, not that it's not always business. If a PL wants to tip or feels that the dancer deserves a tip, he will. He doesn't need the dancer to tell him, remind him or persuade him. Now if the dancer is doing this as an alternative way of upcharging dances or mileage, again, it is up to the PL to decide if it's worth it. If the dancer finds that PLs are as a whole, not tipping, then they have clearly told her what they think her dances are worth.
If a girl is asking for tips mid song, you are probably crossing her boundaries, and/or she finds you very unpleasant, so you are better off finding another dancer. She doesn’t like you, and doesn’t mind losing more songs. She’d rather get a tip and be done.
I've never been asked for a TIP....the most I've had is haggle over price after one or more hours of dancing because no one was counting songs lol....usually it goes like how much do you want? She says no you tell me....So I tell her and then she says, ok about $100 more? Ok babe, here you go...$300 or $400 for two to three hours of high mileage, dfk, suck my tits dancing is ok with me. But seriously I've never been asked during a dance...And with a brand new dancer I leave me hands off...Usually they think I'm shy and end up putting my hands on them! Then after a few songs I'll start exploring a little...
@Bj99
Are we still doing this? You probably didn't read my lengthy soliloquy, but again, i think you're projecting or assuming things about situations you don't fully know about. Two of the three girls kept asking me if i wanted to continue at the end of the dances and then asked again to "make sure" i didn't want to do more dances. One of them even came back to me that same night. If anything the talk about money during the dances made ME want to end them early. The more experienced dancer told me her schedule and was definitely looking forward to seeing me again. As fun as her dances were, i can take or leave her, and for the amount spent, i want a more enjoyable experience where the focus is on us and not on money, but maybe she won't talk about tips if we see each other again as none of my regulars do. The third girl was starting her first week ever and didn't seem to expect PLs to get multiple dances always seeming a little pleasantly surprised when i wanted her to continue. She was the one that seemed to "enjoy" the dances the most. She was fine with "everything", but at a price, which she didn't state, just "big tip". But at that particular club, a lot of girls (close to 50% maybe) do ask or suggest tips at the end of dances. The booths/cubicles are right next to each other and and i can hear and sometimes see girls go in and out with other PLs while i'm still getting multiple dances as i'm generally pretty quite during dances. I guess they're doing the upcharge via suggested tip. So the tip hustle is pretty big there, but the better girls almost never ask me for tips at any point of the dance. That seems to be the common experience for many TUSCLers as well.
mr. dirk, i think you try to find a middle ground with your approach. i do kinda the same think if a stripper sits with me for like 30 to 45 minutes. i usually get like 8 songs when my max is 3. i get those extra 5 songs eventhough im bored to death. its like a tip, but she feels she earned it. I dont understand this ass hole tax, if a dancer is really that uncomfortable, why doesnt she just end the dance and collect. Shes isnt obligated to finish the song.
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If a girl has to ask me for a tip, that's usually because her dance was garbage and did nothing for me so I'm not tipping, and I have no shame in that. For every decent mileage lap dance, I'm very good for tipping $5 for every $20 lap dance (25% tip). If I go for more and she's good at math, she generally ups the mileage even more. If a girl delivers an LDK, I usually tip even more.
But that's just me. I don't go to strip clubs often enough to break bank, so my system is fine for me and I don't plan on tweaking it anytime soon.
I’ve had lots of dancers ask beforehand, when I’m telling them what I want, and I *always* tell them what I want and get agreement before paying, and my response is always on the order of “if you’re agreeing to let me ..., then yes.”
As for after the dance, I tip, or not, based on the dance, and if she didn’t deserve it, I’ll say no and tell her why. Doesn’t usually happen that I do *not* tip, simply because I’m pretty straightforward about things beforehand, but once in a while it does.
I find having non creepy social skills along with good grooming helps. I push and play for more, I gauge her non verbal cues and look for consent. She’ll pull back or dance defensively, like pulling cats paw when going for the boobs, if she doesn’t want you to do something. Just proceed slowly and deliberately, with either a verbal or a nonverbal, “Is it ok if I ...”.
My general rule is that I tip for extraordinary service. Not just good, not just better than average. In general, that means that I would NOT tip a low-mileage girl just for pushing herself past her own limits and giving me an average-mileage dance. Of course, every rule is meant to be broken, and at least in theory, I might imagine a special case where I'm highly motivated to encourage things along (brand new dancer, smoking hot)
-->" I appreciate that they were willing to do "more" with me, but they're less likely to get repeat dances from me in the future. "
I -- and I gather most PLs -- have been there where we were not happy the girl asked for a tip, but we gave her a tip anyway and just expressed our displeasure by not doing dances with her in the future. But I always felt like a bitch doing that -- I mean, if I were so annoyed that I wouldn't ever do dances with her again, why did I tip her? Answer: I was intimidated, or afraid of her reaction, or didn't want her to not like me. Or, in other words, I was being a little bitch. These days, I am pretty hardcore invested in my rule #2 of strip clubbing: Don't be a little bitch. Any girl asks me for a tip that I wasn't already about to give her on my own, I turn her down: I do say it with a smile, and with a respectful tone, but also with direct eye contact and confidant voice & posture. I've never had a negative reaction, and often the girl just takes it in stride, which shows you that it is not personal for them, just a technique to maximize their revenue, and in fact I WAS being a little bitch by simply going along.
If I LDK i tip 40 + 60 = 100
Maybe only a handful or two times or so in the last several years, but actually a few times just recently. The last two times, i would have tipped anyways, but now i'm not that interested in dancing with either girl as that type of behavior just makes them seem thirsty. The other time was from a practically brand new girl who was doing all kinds of wild stuff even saying at one point, you can do whatever you want as long as you tip me well. Maybe not the best way to do it, but i didn't mind much at all in that case as she was truly delightful. I could see a PL possibly getting all that and not tipping her. She might never put out like that again. But at that place, quite a few girls let you do practically "everything" you want, at least after a certain number of dances, without negotiating before or during a dance, so i guess they don't really get burned that often. I do agree, i don't really care about girls i don't ever want to see again, and most girls that ask for tips, i don't ever want to see again, so i just smirk in my head, or maybe even for real, and don't give them anything. But these two girls i did enjoy their dances and wouldn't have minded seeing them again otherwise. Now, not so much.
@Salty.Nutz
$40 for LDK does seem generous to me. Then again, LDK's not my thing so i don't really put a value on it. I know some TUSCLers don't tip at all for LDK and some PLs can nut from just a "regular" grinding dance or two. And from the pink site, i think more than a few girls will ask for tips if they know they caused an LDK. I remember, one dancer asked me if came (i didn't; i guess i didn't stay very hard the entire time); i think she might have been trying/hoping to shake me down for a big tip. This was at a club that only sold sets of dances and for relatively cheap. I had gotten 5 for $60 i think; they also had 2 for $25 and 5 for $50 option. The tip hustle was pretty big there. Usually not mid-dance, but before and after however. Again, the same applied. The girls that asked usually gave mediocre dances at best.
I’m happy to tip for a good performance. I might over-tip - but I appreciate the effort a dancer puts into grinding and getting me highly aroused.
If she completes the deal - I will tip more.
So - with a 4 dance ($20 a dance) private - ending happily - gets a $40 tip. If it’s more than a HJ or BJ - then the tip will go up.
Inserting the tip...true story. Not that tip and not a funny story either, but one of those tip seeking girls was giving a very sexy sensual dance. Displaying that lovely pussy while leaning back on my lap. As i'm opening her up and playing with her clit, she then says "You will tip for that, right?" I think i affirmed somehow, don't remember exactly what i said. "Sure", maybe? Now at this club, this activity is actually fairly common in regular dances with the vast majority of girls allowing, even encouraging it, particularly during the day shift, although not quite as common during the night shift (which this was). She had large lovely lips, and a wet dripping glistening pussy. She turns around with her ass facing me up close and her face down, and i'm just very tempted by her wet hole and slowly slip the tip of my thumb inside slightly, where then she says "please don't do that". She didn't jerk away or make any noticeable movement, even staying in that position quite a while longer. But of course, i stopped. I suppose i should have put two and two together, realizing if she was charging more for more basic kitty play, insertion might not be on the table. Combined with her rather mercenary nature (although she gave a nice dance, she wasn't very warm on the floor now that i think about it), i cut the dances not long afterward. Paid her along with a tip (which she didn't seem to appreciate much, oh well), and was done with her. Would i dance with her again? Probably not, which is a shame in a way. She seemed to have potential as a relatively newer girl.
1) those that wanna earn your $$$
2) those that just want your $$$
There are dancers that focus on giving good-dances and they are often rewarded (although not necessarily always) - rewarded via tips; extra-songs; VIP, repeat-biz; etc
Then there are dancers that only focus on how much they can get from you and put little-effort/focus into the dance/experience - e.g. they spend the whole-song badgering you about VIP and not putting much focus/effort on the dance itself
I started those two discussions based on two different overall experiences, with the first one (dancers enjoying the "dirtier" aspects of stripping) based on observations or reflection over, well, an entire career of SCing. As much as i or any PL might like to imagine, as you say, or fantasize that the dancers sincerely enjoy or get genuine pleasure out of grinding dicks and being groped, fondled, caressed, sucked, kissed on, licked, whatever by whomever during a dance (and all these things too often happen, as you probably know), i feel that the reality is that they usually put up with it a lot more than they enjoy it to the point that i don't think many of them could honestly say they really enjoy it after all is said and done. Not that there aren't any girls that don't still enjoy it overall, but even for those, it gets old. Seriously, most PLs don't care, at least at a conscious level, that the girl is really enjoying it. Both PLs and dancers alike are in this for inherently selfish reasons, different reasons, and that is to be expected.
You have someone like Poledancer, and i have no reason to believe she isn't being honest, saying that she gets horny every now and then and also sometimes finds a PL sexy or attractive. So in that situation, it is very possible for her to enjoy a very dirty dance regardless of how much money the PL is spending. Even to the point of having sex with him outside the club or maybe even in the club. But even she seemed to imply that this was both dancer and PL dependent. Not every dancer would enjoy this kind of situation and certainly not with every PL. Now the odds of the stars aligning like that for just any PL is very unlikely.
On the other hand, you have a dancer like the one Papi described that greeted him like a soldier coming back from deployment. A little contrived yes, but only adds to the fantasy that dancers really enjoy their interactions with PLs. Later on in a more quiet moment, the dancer tells him that she doesn't enjoy stripping, which is definitely not something a dancer should ever tell a PL. It's just not sexy and conducive to getting dances. So a dancer can often fool a PL, or at least make him believe what he wants. Do i need to care about the reality of it all? For most PLs, hell no. Even i understand this is all fantasy, no matter how real it feels or what type of acts you are doing ITC or OTC, front room make out sessions, notwithstanding. And yet there is a part of me that does care about the truth of it all, and believe you me, i can handle it. In a way, it would help to know and then i can move forward with clarity either way rather than pondering about it through these discussions, lol. I am, however, fairly confident of my current suspicions.
Now this whole deal with tipping is completely unrelated even if you think that they are in some Kevin Bacon kind of way. Of the three examples i described somewhere in this discussion, two of them did not strike me as girls that genuinely enjoyed giving high mileage dances (as i believe most girls don't). The first one was a pro and although "comfortable" with very high mileage and contact, was definitely trying to ensure that she was getting paid for it. Basically, you take care of me and i'll take care of you type of deal. I bet she sought out tips (who knows how successfully) with just about any PL she danced with. The dances were great fun, but in the end felt like too much of a business transaction. She would have almost certainly been a favorite otherwise.The second, despite being a newer dancer, definitely had an idea of what certain acts were worth as well as what she was willing to do. I just never clearly found out what acts and exactly how much. It was never discussed, and i don't tend to discuss these things (basic lap dance acts, not extras) or ever felt a need to. The third, the wild baby stripper, was very convincing. Outside of the tip request, she said all the right things and physically responded beyond my expectations. I did not touch all the same way. I followed their lead or initiation in some cases while offering my own, which often had nothing to do with their enjoyment. The "enjoyment" of that third stripper, however, greatly enhanced the experience even if i knew it entailed a hefty tip, which i would have given her anyway. In conclusion, basically, the talk of tips, at any point of the dance is not sexy and in the long run it's better for the PL to initiate the tipping (let it be his idea). Or put another way, i've never had a favorite or regular that sought out tips.
Now that i've finished talking to myself, if you have anything relevant to add to this particular discussion, feel free.
If I get asked for a tip before paying, the potential for a tip goes away. It's just gauche.
My question for Dirk is - do you use a keyboard when you create these lengthy dissertations? If not - your thumbs must be very tired.
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Anyway, i realized the reason that asking for tips bothered me, even if a tip was deserved, was that it tended to kill any fantasy and reduce the experience to a business transaction, not that it's not always business. If a PL wants to tip or feels that the dancer deserves a tip, he will. He doesn't need the dancer to tell him, remind him or persuade him. Now if the dancer is doing this as an alternative way of upcharging dances or mileage, again, it is up to the PL to decide if it's worth it. If the dancer finds that PLs are as a whole, not tipping, then they have clearly told her what they think her dances are worth.
In my view - I have no issue with tipping dancers. However, I don’t want to be told what to tip (by the dancer).
(Mid dance, at the end, or stopping the dances).
Granted, it may still feel like just the tip.
Are we still doing this? You probably didn't read my lengthy soliloquy, but again, i think you're projecting or assuming things about situations you don't fully know about. Two of the three girls kept asking me if i wanted to continue at the end of the dances and then asked again to "make sure" i didn't want to do more dances. One of them even came back to me that same night. If anything the talk about money during the dances made ME want to end them early. The more experienced dancer told me her schedule and was definitely looking forward to seeing me again. As fun as her dances were, i can take or leave her, and for the amount spent, i want a more enjoyable experience where the focus is on us and not on money, but maybe she won't talk about tips if we see each other again as none of my regulars do. The third girl was starting her first week ever and didn't seem to expect PLs to get multiple dances always seeming a little pleasantly surprised when i wanted her to continue. She was the one that seemed to "enjoy" the dances the most. She was fine with "everything", but at a price, which she didn't state, just "big tip". But at that particular club, a lot of girls (close to 50% maybe) do ask or suggest tips at the end of dances. The booths/cubicles are right next to each other and and i can hear and sometimes see girls go in and out with other PLs while i'm still getting multiple dances as i'm generally pretty quite during dances. I guess they're doing the upcharge via suggested tip. So the tip hustle is pretty big there, but the better girls almost never ask me for tips at any point of the dance. That seems to be the common experience for many TUSCLers as well.
I definitely didn't read your long diatribes, and you definitely are a douchebag.