OTC dates

A, then off to a fun trendy bar, then C. I tend to play things by ear, but a typical OTC for me is: restaurant for great food & alcohol, followed by a cool bar, possibly followed by another strip club, then back to the hotel room when we're crazy drunk & horny to fuck it all off. It has to all be fun and exciting for me, and as a "foodie" (fucking hate that word) and lover of cool bars and strip clubs, the entire agenda is awesome to me.

No to B and D, FUCK NO to E. I don't do anything that isn't exciting or fun for me -- no movies (with one notable exception), NEVER shopping, no sporting event.

F in rare cases. Trips are reserved for ATFs

No G. No interest at all in "fuck and leave", none whatsoever

H -- there are many cool fun bars in a metropolitan area, from quirky dive bars to high end mixology bars to everything in between. If I were in my 20s, I'd be heading with my buddies to the city every weekend to hit them all. But at this point, with rare exceptions, the only time I get to explore those bars is: on civilian dates, on SA dates, and on OTC. So, fuck yes, I use all of those occasions as reasons to explore those bars (plus, strippers are fucking fun to drink with); even better if the stripper lives in the city and can introduce me to a bar I haven't been to

Larry quit stalling and do your social studies homework.

Depends on how long I've known her and what her life is like....Of course G is the best for starters! But if I feel they'd really like any of the others, I'll take them. Sometimes good conversation over dinner is the best foreplay...I'm not going to take them shopping and spend thousands though...i'd rather give them the money for bills etc.

I've never done anything other than going to restaurants but unlike most of you I prefer to have sex first and then go eat. At my age I'm more ready for a nap after a big meal than fucking. So I do the fucking first which helps bring up the appetite. Also if I go to the restaurant first, I can't eat good because my mind is on sex.

Never done C or E...all the other choices or some combination of I have.

E -I would be bored to tears.

Movie dates are fine if you've know her for some time otherwise I could see where it would have a weird feel.

"E -I would be bored to tears. "

E - I would rather drink battery acid.

I"ve done several of them. Most often is to a restaurant. I love a good steak and a bottle of wine. It's more fun to share those things. I have done movies, but this was with girls that I had been out with several times before. I have taken a couple to basketball games. Both times, I knew the girl was a sports fan so that made it fun. And I have taken a couple of trips with them. This was with girls that I knew well and knew I could like to spend extended time with. And I have had them just come to the hotel, get it on, then leave.

I would NOT take them shopping. That could be very dangerous to your pocketbook.

@25 - why are you bullying Larry?

I’ve done B, C, and E. In my experience they seem to enjoy going to other strip clubs the most.

My answers are going to be essentially similar to Subraman’s, except for the drunk part. :)

For a basic stripper, either first date or an occasional thing, A followed by G, or G followed by A. Really nothing else until we get to know each other.

For a favorite, A, C and G, not necessarily in that order. D depends. Took a fav to watch a porn movie one time. That was fun. That was the 90s, in KC, and she and I were one of only a few couples, all doing the same not so surreptitious fucking. If a fav actually wanted to see a movie that I also wanted to see, I might consider it.

For my ATF, pretty much any of those she wanted to do.

If it was just an OTC meet to do the biz then it's in my or her hotel room. If it's a date/OTC then it's a restaurant before or after a shag in the hotel.

^^^ Please tell me that after a shag, you say "Oh, behave!"

Usually just G but I've done A and B several times once I get to know them. I've also taken a few to concerts as well.

Always wanted to try C but haven't done it yet for whatever reason.

A all the way and then back to my place or a hotel.

Concerts is a great idea, thanks Whodey I’ll try that next time.

@Subra- do people at the trendy bar look at you funny when you walk in with a young hot girl?

My choice would now be G.

A. I’ve taken strippers to dinner several times - just because it’s fun to watch other guys as their jaws drop - as they know what’s happening.

Never done B, C or D. In my opinion - it’s a waste of time and money to take a stripper to a sporting event.

E. I’ve taken a few to the Mini-mart to pick up beer and condoms - so technically I’ve taken a stripper shopping! If you add the bag of Funyions - that’s dinner and drinks...

F. Does the drive to Red Lobster count as a trip?

H. I’ve taken strippers to fuck in my old car. It was a hatchback - so it was quite comfy in a pinch! I learned to keep an old blanket in the back to avoid burns from the interior upholstery.

^ Please tell me that after a shag, you say "Oh, behave!--lol ( Subraman is Mike Myers)

larryfisherman---my ex worried about that all of the time. She swore people were staring at us and I admit we did get some looks but I also believed it had to do with her good looks as much as anything. She really was a remarkably good looking woman.

With other women from SA or from clubs I haven't noticed it and not so in bars at all. It depends on the type of bar and where. In DC no one bats an eye.

-->"@Subra- do people at the trendy bar look at you funny when you walk in with a young hot girl?"

That might be happening, I'm not sure, I'm usually pretty fixated on her and don't think I particularly notice those types of reactions.

I'm perfectly fine if it is just G, but I'd be more than happy to do A or C if she was interested.

As I see it, girls usually want 1 of 2 things, either your are spending money on them or you are giving money to them. But you don't need to do both.

Spending money on them is wasteful. Giving money to them is not, it is very practical.

Also I think there is something different about a girl who has crossed over the line of accepting money, that is, she may no longer have interest in car keys and wallet dating, as it consumes time.

So I think you have experienced this Larry, trying to take girls to sporting events or fishing, and finding them uninterested.

So if you ask me, I would say that the best is to minimize car keys and wallet dating, and I apply this to all women. But even more strongly if you are giving them money.

Now sure, everyone needs to eat. And so sometimes you might call the girl up and try to take her out to eat.

And then before I was married I was taking the one I would marry to symphonies and plays. But those are harder to get tickets to. Takes more planning.

Movies I got sick and tired of, its like you are stuck in a church service being preached at about things you don't agree with.

Taking a girl to a strip club, and especially a stripper, that is no good. She will expect you to be generous with their strippers. That money you spend could be money which helps her pay her rent.

If there is something of especial interest, like before I was married I took her many times to the California Academy of Science in San Francisco, and to its planetarium, and to SF's museums And then also to the Rosicrucian Order and its museum and planetarium.

Strippers may or may not like this, as again, it takes up time, and they have no motivation to try and show you that they are 'wife material'.

So generally I would say, as soon as you can, just plan on bedding her and fucking her brains out.

With civilians a bit of car keys and wallet dating may be necessary. But with strippers, usually not. If they do OTC, they will usually be ready to be fucked.

Consider this, if you are in a bedroom with her, you can fuck her more times, because you can start off with a first round, and then go to the home food, and talk, and then do another round, etcetera. And despite what some on this board say, most girls love it to have their sleep disturbed.

So then what you need is to develop the home entertainment routine, rather then depending on car keys and wallet providers to do your entertaining.

Taking her to these places interferes with sex. Whereas entertaining her at home is most conducive to round after round.

Also, I feel that taking her to your home will make a better impression than taking her to a motel, when you are within reasonable range of your home. That motel money could be getting used to help her pay her rent.

In my view also, women need to see that the sex is 'legitimate'. That is, especially for civilians, the idea of just staying in bed with a guy all day and going round after round is slothful. They need to see a socially legitimating purpose. So this is why they go for car keys and wallet dating. Anything which costs money, in their minds, is legitimating. They want to see the guy 'working' and then spending it on them. And then with the pros, the fact that they are making money, is legitimating.

So this is where a Tantric / Occult approach to sex really makes all the difference. More about this at another time.

And then, do you want to replicate aspects of the strip club environment, do you want your girl in high heels and makeup. Some guys are engaging in lots of car keys and wallet dating, like I was, just to get this.

I see a way of obtaining this at home to be erotic photo sessions. And this also can be the device for giving your girl her money.

In posting this thread, you are getting into an important area. Strip clubs, in my opinion, though they are extremely important, they are not actually a long term solution to anything.

SJG

As to E, I’m at least with the bored to tears sentiment and probably more the battery acid idea. A few months ago, I was excited to have an OTC lined up until she told me she wanted me to take her shopping. I suddenly remembered I had something else to do and went home.